The Great "Fu*k 'em" Debate...

RockinInCanada · July 2006

decides2dream wrote:

it's sad, absolutely...but completely a CHOICE and dare i say....if one can walk away from the music over it, did it really hold such a strong value to them then? i don't know. i am not suggesting we don't all have our 'lines' b/c we all do......but where we draw it to me, speaks to how greatly we value any one thing.

I could never make the choice to leave PJ...but I still hold it my heart that I feel the same way they do politically...but I would never say something is okay because Eddie Vedder told me...I can justify my own beliefs...but to leave the music is sad...especially PJ's music....too bad....

PaperPlates · July 2006

Nevermind wrote:

I understand. I just dont understand why a joke should disappoint you when he later explained himself and said he respects their views. Theres nothing in this world worth being serious or mad about.

Then why is ed so serious and angry?

hailhailkc · July 2006

Pastor JeffD wrote:

a) can anyone hook me up with this show :P

b) this whole thing makes me giggle. People are actually trying to create some sort of rift between Mike and Ed because of some percieved expression on Mike's face. Other people are taking wayyyy too much pride in the fact that Eddie made the statement in the first place.

Why is that so supprising that Eddie would make that statement? The dude is, and always has been a bomb throwing lefty. Which of course is great by me, but the simple statement of "fuck em" doesnt really seem that odd or shocking.

c) PEARL JAM IS A PROGGRESIVE (LIBERAL) BAND. Geezus H Monkeyspank, read the lyrics. Read the lyrics. Read the lyrics. Besides, if anyone in the bad had any problem with Ed's views, dontcha think we woulda heard about them. Dont you think it would have scuttled the band before now. Bu$hleager anyone?

Sure, some band memebers probably think that Ed says some stuff they wish he didnt (same with u2 and Bono) but I think the music and thier support for their front man shows that they pretty much agree.

d) so fuckin what. As Springsteen says - trust the art and not the artist. Miles Davis was supposed to be a tremendous ass, but that doesnt mean Ill stop listening. Chuck Berry peeped on women peeing, but that doesnt mean Ill stop listening.

If Eddie and PJ are Leftist Zinn-loving Bush haters - but you like the tunes... so be it. If you love Reagan, Shrub, and Ann Coulter but also love Marker in The Sand - great... so be it.

Its about the art.

And above all else they are bizzaro-great artists.

Wow. I can't believe it, but I totally agree with you.

Abookamongstthemany · July 2006

mammasan wrote:

Ok what about a handicap joke, a blonde joke, a short joke, a bold joke, etc...

*just my personal experience*

I don't get mad at my best friend for wearing her tshirt with a blonde joke on it. I just laugh and call her a butthole then she laughs back because it's funny. I know she thinks highly of me as I think of her so when she wears that shirt, I have enough sense to know she doesn't mean it literally. Why can't some of you give Ed the same benefit of the doubt? I think he does respect and care about his fans. It's part of why we love the band so much

mammasan · July 2006

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

*just my personal experience*

I don't get mad at my best friend for wearing her tshirt with a blonde joke on it. I just laugh and call her a butthole then she laughs back because it's funny. I know she thinks highly of me as I think of her so when she wears that shirt, I have enough sense to know she doesn't mean it literally. Why can't some of you give Ed the same benefit of the doubt? I think he does respect and care about his fans. It's part of why we love the band so much

I do give him the benefit of the doubt. I merely stated that I can see why some fans might have been a bit upset over the comment.

Abookamongstthemany · July 2006

mammasan wrote:

I do give him the benefit of the doubt. I merely stated that I can see why some fans might have been a bit upset over the comment.

I know you do. I was just throwing in my personal experience and thoughts. Everyone has that buddy that gives them a hard time for time to time but still know that he isn't being serious...they just laugh and share a beer. I was just offering up another perspective that perhaps some hadn't thought of.

hailhailkc · July 2006

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

*just my personal experience*

I don't get mad at my best friend for wearing her tshirt with a blonde joke on it. I just laugh and call her a butthole then she laughs back because it's funny. I know she thinks highly of me as I think of her so when she wears that shirt, I have enough sense to know she doesn't mean it literally. Why can't some of you give Ed the same benefit of the doubt? I think he does respect and care about his fans. It's part of why we love the band so much

Wow. I totally agree with you too! What the heck is going on today?! First PastorJeffD...now Abook!!!! Ahhhhh!!!!!!!

Abookamongstthemany · July 2006

hailhailkc wrote:

Wow. I totally agree with you too! What the heck is going on today?! First PastorJeffD...now Abook!!!! Ahhhhh!!!!!!!

You are slowly being pulled to the dark side....my plan is finally coming to fruitation.

hailhailkc · July 2006

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

You are slowly being pulled to the dark side....my plan is finally coming to fruitation.

I thought I was the dark side, and YOU were the "rebel scum"?

:D Oh well, either way it's cool. The dark side gets to dress in patent black leather...and the other group gets to be called "rebels". I'm good either way!

And yes...I'm highly suggesting that you have to dress in patent black leather. That would be...um...nevermind...

Skitch Patterson · July 2006

why did he use that silly lil' star?

i had no idea the FCC was watching this board.

Abookamongstthemany · July 2006

hailhailkc wrote:

I thought I was the dark side, and YOU were the "rebel scum"? :D Oh well, either way it's cool. The dark side gets to dress in patent black leather...and the other group gets to be called "rebels". I'm good either way!

And yes...I'm highly suggesting that you have to dress in patent black leather. That would be...um...nevermind...

LOL! You and your imagination! But without the mask at least, right?

You know our side isn't gonna wear a bunch of leather....perhaps some of those tight, black plasticy looking pants instead? We can recycle them.

hehe

Nevermind · July 2006

PaperPlates wrote:

Then why is ed so serious and angry?

I think hes more frustrated than angry. You only get one life you might as well enjoy it.

decides2dream · July 2006

Skitch Patterson wrote:

why did he use that silly lil' star?

i had no idea the FCC was watching this board.

possibly to mimmick what it actually sounded like during the VH1 broadcast.

kenny olav · July 2006

10000000000000000000000000000 years from now, no one will give a shit.

That's my new answer for everything.

WindNoSail · July 2006

The comments about certian persons making too much of the Mike vs Eddie I guess was referring to the interchange of a couple of posts between me and PaperPlates. Ok, we got lots of mileage out of this haven't we. It was just an observation that I actually stand by. IMHO. And of course I know it is an opinion.

I sort of hesitate to continue this discussion at all, but I think many have at least agreed that there was validation of the argument that it wasn't a very good response to say F them from both lefties and righties. So, that is probably all that needs to be said. Of course this post will bring out of the woodwork all those that loved the statement

As for my observation regarding Mike's reaction, take it or leave it.

Post #219 and beyond if you need a reference:
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=204147&page=2

And for the record, I didn't say I was leaving the band. That would be silly, but F em definately was a temporary turn off.

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