I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
You don't mean a word-for-word duplication, because I'm not seeing that here. It's a duplicate story however. Just like the birth of Christ, which I was corrected was Galilee and Bethelehem.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Just like the birth of Christ, which I was corrected was Galilee and Bethelehem.
I hope you still don't think there is a contradiction there. Show me specifically in the text where it says he was born in Galilee, where he was born in Bethlehem, and anywhere else for that matter. The only two books of the Bible that have Jesus' birth are Matthew and Luke. Both accounts state that Jesus was born in Bethlehem.
ok, you disagreed with ForestBrain when he said the Bible has "no faults, no inconsistencies and it does not contradict itself anywhere"
duplicate does not equal fault, inconsistency, or contradiction
gone awry. Duplicate equals fault, no? What if you were reading the encyclopedia, book E-J, and found an entry from book A-D duplicated right there in the middle of G?
I find this very interesting. The Bible is the world's most recognized work of literature. It has no faults, no inconsistencies and it does not contradict itself anywhere. It is huge, it is poetry, it is art. It can cause every feeling that is known to man. It is the greatest masterpiece ever, and yet, people see it as nothing other than a story book.
What. A. Shame.
(BTW, I have read a WHOLE lot...novels, biographies, informational books, autobiographies. I am really big on educating myself and experiencing every thing that I can. I am even writing my own book. Just I would like to let you know so that you would not call me ignorant. Thanks.)
I certainly wouldn't call you ignorant because we have a different opinion. I don't think that the word "story" is an insult. The Bible is, amongst other things, a collection of stories that tells a larger story. I agree that it is huge, it is poetry, and it is art. It's the most influential book ever published in the western world, which is why I think that everyone should be familiar with it's contents.
I just don't believe that it's true, that's all.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
i thought this was going to be a thread about how although American is a very Christian nation, most Americans are very ignorant about the Bible. i think children should be taught about the Bible under the stipulation that they are also taught about the Koran, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, the various forms of paganism and athiesm. but i'm sure Americans wouldn't go for all that.
That's how it was in my high school, but I live in Europe and there aren't many religious people here, definitely not like in the US.
But we were taught about the bible (the first 12 years of my life, it was a in a religious context because it was a Catholic school) but the next 6, from 12-18 it was more theological, even though it was also a Catholic school.
We looked at the bible from different perspectives. We did the same for Judaism, Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism. Questions on test were about the differences or certain rituals, what Easter means in Christianity, who was Jesus in a Christianity, Judaism or Islam, name the "laws" certain religions have ...
We discussed Simon Wiesenthal's The Sunflower and tried to look at it from different religious perspectives.
There was always room for discussion. If you had a good question or remark(not like: you can't prove god exists!) my teacher would go into that and ask why you believe that. He'd share his view of god etc. but he never preached to us. Never. You could share your own personal view and discuss your opinion as long as everything stayed mature and respectful.
And this wasn't just this one teacher, I had 4 different ones in those 6 years and they were all great.
The roots of Christmas are clearly pagan and most people know that.
I'm not arguing the roots of Christmas aren't pagan. You were saying that today it is just a traditional holiday to people and not a Christian holiday. That is where i think you are wrong. Of course there are traditions in the holiday itself but it is a Christian Holiday and has a Christian meaning to a large majority of people.
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The purpose of teaching the Bible in school is this;
English literature takes for granted that the reader knows the story of say "David and Goliath". Much of english literature uses references to biblical stories. So the purpose of teaching bible literacy is not to promote Christianity, but to equip children with the tools to interpret english literature.
Very well said. If a student reads Beowulf and does not have an understanding of the Bible, then they will not be able to appreciate it.
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There is also the contradiction between Jesus being born in Galilee and Nazareth.
This is true. Which is one thing I like about being Catholic. We are taught not to take the bible literaly. It is a collection of stories about God and Jesus' life that are models to live by.
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gone awry. Duplicate equals fault, no? What if you were reading the encyclopedia, book E-J, and found an entry from book A-D duplicated right there in the middle of G?
but there's the thing....it's not the encyclopedia
if a story has merit in more than two books of the Bible, it should be included wherever it's needed
Sorry, Bu2, it is not a duplicate, for one thing, and even if it were it would not mean anything.
Two different people wrote Kings and Chronicles. They are just like the gospels.
When life gives you lemons, throw them at somebody.
Yea, but I believe that Christianity is evil, and it's part of my religion that I should rid the world of Christianity. You can't really argue with my faith, can you?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
THIS is very respectable. As a Christian i have absolutely no problem with people saying "I just don't believe it". Cool. i totally respect that.
Its when people dig and dig to come up with contradictions and discrepancies that aren't really there etc. that make me shake my head.
I agree. However when Christians (not you) start pushing their faith, THEN I start to question some of the logic. If its a 'live and let live' attitude, I have no issues.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
I agree. However when Christians (not you) start pushing their faith, THEN I start to question some of the logic. If its a 'live and let live' attitude, I have no issues.
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That's how I am. i don't care what religion others follow... it's not for me. Not right now.
I run into Christians who tell me it is their Duty to 'Spread The Gospel'... which I have no problem with as long as they quit trying to convince me that Jesus is the One Way to God. I went down that street already and didn't like what I saw... it was definately the Wrong Way for me to find the God I'm looking for.
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Yea, but I believe that Christianity is evil, and it's part of my religion that I should rid the world of Christianity. You can't really argue with my faith, can you?
What you should do is not judge people immediately. Give them a chance to explain themselves. If they start acting like a jerk about it, then go off on them
IMHO, it makes a person look like a complete idiot/ jerk when they feel the need to argue over religious stuff, whether they are for it, or against it.
There are a lot of "christians" out there who feel the need to say crap like "God hates fags!" "Burn in hell!"...That stuff is so opposite of what the Bible preaches, it is almost laughable. It is a horrible testimony, and it has given real Christians a very bad reputation.
When life gives you lemons, throw them at somebody.
What you should do is not judge people immediately. Give them a chance to explain themselves. If they start acting like a jerk about it, then go off on them
IMHO, it makes a person look like a complete idiot/ jerk when they feel the need to argue over religious stuff, whether they are for it, or against it.
There are a lot of "christians" out there who feel the need to say crap like "God hates fags!" "Burn in hell!"...That stuff is so opposite of what the Bible preaches, it is almost laughable. It is a horrible testimony, and it has given real Christians a very bad reputation.
I thought Christianity was all about Sexual Magick
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
What you should do is not judge people immediately. Give them a chance to explain themselves. If they start acting like a jerk about it, then go off on them
IMHO, it makes a person look like a complete idiot/ jerk when they feel the need to argue over religious stuff, whether they are for it, or against it.
There are a lot of "christians" out there who feel the need to say crap like "God hates fags!" "Burn in hell!"...That stuff is so opposite of what the Bible preaches, it is almost laughable. It is a horrible testimony, and it has given real Christians a very bad reputation.
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The problem is... how does one tell who is a 'Real Christian' and who is a 'Fake Christian'? What is the criteria?
Is the Christian that takes on the battle against Abortion Good or Bad? How about the one that protests War? The Death Penalty? The Ten Commandments in a Court House? Prayer in Public School? Who is Good and who is Bad? Who is a 'Real Christian' and who is not?
...
And who applies the criteria? Wouldn't that act go against Christian thought... therefore, making themselves 'Bad Christians'?
That's how all Christians get lumped together.
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Meanwhile, I will try to do a better job of pointing the way....
1 Kings 9:1 and 2 Chronicles 7:11
Better?
This is better than fireworks on the 4th, when it comes to entertainment....
Bible folks, feel free to post again after you've read Kings and Chrons.
Anyone out there?
I don't feel like getting up and going to look up the verses, so I'll just ask. Is it that one verse repeated or is it the whole chapter?
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=11&chapter=9&version=9
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=14&chapter=7&version=9
duplicate does not equal fault, inconsistency, or contradiction
You don't mean a word-for-word duplication, because I'm not seeing that here. It's a duplicate story however. Just like the birth of Christ, which I was corrected was Galilee and Bethelehem.
gone awry. Duplicate equals fault, no? What if you were reading the encyclopedia, book E-J, and found an entry from book A-D duplicated right there in the middle of G?
I just don't believe that it's true, that's all.
That's how it was in my high school, but I live in Europe and there aren't many religious people here, definitely not like in the US.
But we were taught about the bible (the first 12 years of my life, it was a in a religious context because it was a Catholic school) but the next 6, from 12-18 it was more theological, even though it was also a Catholic school.
We looked at the bible from different perspectives. We did the same for Judaism, Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism. Questions on test were about the differences or certain rituals, what Easter means in Christianity, who was Jesus in a Christianity, Judaism or Islam, name the "laws" certain religions have ...
We discussed Simon Wiesenthal's The Sunflower and tried to look at it from different religious perspectives.
There was always room for discussion. If you had a good question or remark(not like: you can't prove god exists!) my teacher would go into that and ask why you believe that. He'd share his view of god etc. but he never preached to us. Never. You could share your own personal view and discuss your opinion as long as everything stayed mature and respectful.
And this wasn't just this one teacher, I had 4 different ones in those 6 years and they were all great.
But perhaps this wouldn't work in the US.
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I'm not arguing the roots of Christmas aren't pagan. You were saying that today it is just a traditional holiday to people and not a Christian holiday. That is where i think you are wrong. Of course there are traditions in the holiday itself but it is a Christian Holiday and has a Christian meaning to a large majority of people.
Pensacola '94
New Orleans '95
Birmingham '98
New Orleans '00
New Orleans '03
Tampa '08
New Orleans '10 - Jazzfest
New Orleans '16 - Jazzfest
Fenway Park '18
St. Louis '22
Very well said. If a student reads Beowulf and does not have an understanding of the Bible, then they will not be able to appreciate it.
Pensacola '94
New Orleans '95
Birmingham '98
New Orleans '00
New Orleans '03
Tampa '08
New Orleans '10 - Jazzfest
New Orleans '16 - Jazzfest
Fenway Park '18
St. Louis '22
This is true. Which is one thing I like about being Catholic. We are taught not to take the bible literaly. It is a collection of stories about God and Jesus' life that are models to live by.
Pensacola '94
New Orleans '95
Birmingham '98
New Orleans '00
New Orleans '03
Tampa '08
New Orleans '10 - Jazzfest
New Orleans '16 - Jazzfest
Fenway Park '18
St. Louis '22
if a story has merit in more than two books of the Bible, it should be included wherever it's needed
Two different people wrote Kings and Chronicles. They are just like the gospels.
THIS is very respectable. As a Christian i have absolutely no problem with people saying "I just don't believe it". Cool. i totally respect that.
Its when people dig and dig to come up with contradictions and discrepancies that aren't really there etc. that make me shake my head.
That's how I am. i don't care what religion others follow... it's not for me. Not right now.
I run into Christians who tell me it is their Duty to 'Spread The Gospel'... which I have no problem with as long as they quit trying to convince me that Jesus is the One Way to God. I went down that street already and didn't like what I saw... it was definately the Wrong Way for me to find the God I'm looking for.
Hail, Hail!!!
IMHO, it makes a person look like a complete idiot/ jerk when they feel the need to argue over religious stuff, whether they are for it, or against it.
There are a lot of "christians" out there who feel the need to say crap like "God hates fags!" "Burn in hell!"...That stuff is so opposite of what the Bible preaches, it is almost laughable. It is a horrible testimony, and it has given real Christians a very bad reputation.
I thought Christianity was all about Sexual Magick
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I wish I could find a raised eyebrow emocon.
The problem is... how does one tell who is a 'Real Christian' and who is a 'Fake Christian'? What is the criteria?
Is the Christian that takes on the battle against Abortion Good or Bad? How about the one that protests War? The Death Penalty? The Ten Commandments in a Court House? Prayer in Public School? Who is Good and who is Bad? Who is a 'Real Christian' and who is not?
...
And who applies the criteria? Wouldn't that act go against Christian thought... therefore, making themselves 'Bad Christians'?
That's how all Christians get lumped together.
Hail, Hail!!!