I work with some Jehovah Witness ladies and I worry about their safety when they go knocking on doors. This isn't 1950 anymore where everyone knows everyone. A psycho could answer the door
Or eye could answer the door. Wait, you just said that...
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wow, first off, I am sorry for this time of questioning just whether or not you will be able to conceive children with your wife. First off, where this satnds now, realize that any sane Christian would say that God gave man a great amount knowledge to be used in modern medicine. Whether or not a woman can bear chldren is not necessarily God's decision. there are a million more factors that could add that up in just merely looking to someone's fertility system, the timing of the couple, etc. you know all of this I am sure. So that said, let's remember that no one can tell you how to manage this whole thing and if you have the ability/finances to go the route that is aided by medicine, go for it and let no one stand in your way if the two of you agree. It's your life.
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My parents and in-laws, and my grandparents are very devout Catholics and they are supporting our decision to use in-vitro. I know there are plenty of Christians who don't take things so seriously, but I was referring to those extremists. Though, my wife spoke to one of the catholic priests at our local parish and he said that using in-vitro is against God's will. His advice to us was to keep trying naturally and it will work out if God is willing. Well that's fine and dandy, but I'd rather not see my wife go through the pain of any more miscarriages. We have gone forward with the in-vitro... it set us back some financially, but we'll be alright. I just hope she doesn't end up with sextuplets!
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would you like it if a neo-nazi group came up to your door and trying to get you to read their pamphlets, attend their meetings, donate money to their cause?
as Nmytree has stated, the giant spire of christ is plain to see... why sell it to me... its not the action of coming to my door that irks me... its the motive... selling christ to me. why bother... i live in a country that has churches in every small town.. i know what they are and what their purpise is... why bother me by coming to the door and 'forcing' me to believe in your god?
no, i wouldn't like neo-nazis coming to my door. but that's not who we're talking about. completely different thread.
and i'm really glad i don't live where you guys do. i can't imagine people coming to my door and forcing me to do something. around here, they just ask if we'd be interested in some pamphlets/literature.
My parents and in-laws, and my grandparents are very devout Catholics and they are supporting our decision to use in-vitro. I know there are plenty of Christians who don't take things so seriously, but I was referring to those extremists. Though, my wife spoke to one of the catholic priests at our local parish and he said that using in-vitro is against God's will. His advice to us was to keep trying naturally and it will work out if God is willing. Well that's fine and dandy, but I'd rather not see my wife go through the pain of any more miscarriages. We have gone forward with the in-vitro... it set us back some financially, but we'll be alright. I just hope she doesn't end up with sextuplets!
well, you better be watching a lot of Jon and Kate plus 8, right? All you can do is secure the deal that you are concerned for her health and mental capacity to withstand another possible miscarriage. If she is into the whole idea of trying again, then she knows she has your support and that no matter what happens, then you are there for her. In vitro could be said to be whatever it is said by the people who say it, but unless these people are in your shoes, then they have no say at all. And if this priest is so dead set on the whole thing, then tell him to help you find some young american healthy pregnant teenage mom and arrange the adoption should it come out as that.
you know, my good friend met mother theresa and she use to sneak in orphans from other thrid world countries for couples to adopt and love as their own. Then she said that we were creating our own fertility nightmare by allowing so much abortion to be shoved down the throats of our young that no one can really adopt a healthy baby anymore. all there is are crack babies most of the time.
am I pro choice? yeah, but I think there are times when a young mom maight be better off giving the baby up for adoption should she desire that and have the proper support sytems in place.
All in all, do what is right for you guys. take all opinions with a grain of salt. no one can say unless they walk in your shoes.
and here is some optimism for you to feed on...true too....
good friends were unable to conceive for years, a few miscarriages as well. then their church come across a young girl who is pregnant in their own hood. She adopts this baby, beautiiful healthy loved beyond measure blessing they get. And wouldn't you know it! bamn!bamn!bamn! three boys all come a year and a half apart naturally. She loves all the kids; no adoption talk there unless in honesty to tell a story. She is an awesome mom and maybe the stress off made the little guys come?
Idk. keep us posted.............good luck. tell yer wife too,k?
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no, i wouldn't like neo-nazis coming to my door. but that's not who we're talking about. completely different thread.
and i'm really glad i don't live where you guys do. i can't imagine people coming to my door and forcing me to do something. around here, they just ask if we'd be interested in some pamphlets/literature.
nobody forces me into anything... they try and presuade me to go to their church, donate to their charity, etc... but i'm not forced.
and i dont want a pamphlet full of fairy tales and make believe... my daughters have Roald Dahls books.. thats enough for me.
but a neo-nazi coming to my door with a leaflet is exactly the same as a mormon/christian coming to my door with a leaflet...
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
no, i wouldn't like neo-nazis coming to my door. but that's not who we're talking about. completely different thread.
It may be material for a different thread, but it's exactly the same. Yes, I said 'exactly'.
The point is not what they preach or come to sell, the point is they come.
You can just as as easily tell a neo-nazi 'no thanks' if they offer you literature and pamphlets about their ideology.
I live in a relatively godless country (thank god ), but each year I get at least one visit from jehovah's witnesses. Some have been friendly and some are just plain rude and arrogant. To some I've said 'no thanks' and they smiled and they walked on, others have responded by telling me I will go to hell, I will this and that... How sweet eternal life is.
Have you read those leaflets? It's pure propaganda. They're not even about the religion, they focus on the points that would scare people into religion and other points that would appeal to people. If I ever multiply I will make sure my children learn to close the door to jehovah's witnesses and not accept any of their information.
Why don't they make a website or just put a leaflet in the mail box? Why do they insist on brain washing you personally, actually coming to your door (they write down the numbers of the people who aren't home, by the way, so they can visit again).
Interesting turn this thread has taken...it's gone from various religious people harrassing people who don't have kids to religious people going door to door.
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Interesting turn this thread has taken...it's gone from various religious people harrassing people who don't have kids to religious people going door to door.
well its in the same subject matter of religion i suppose... and the enforcing of that religion upon other people without them requesting it..
an interesting turn in this thread would be going from christians wanting people to have babies TO the actor Mark Hamill of Star Wars fame being found comatose in a hotel with a dead walrus in his bathtub... and 4 hookers glued to his bed... now that'd be interesting.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Interesting turn this thread has taken...it's gone from various religious people harrassing people who don't have kids to religious people going door to door.
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almost any opportunity to bash some aspect of religion is not passed up on this board.
To me it's far more likely that this thread took this turn because many people here have had similar experiences with religious people. One person probably made a comment about religious people going door to door, which isn't so very far from the original point, and people commented on that and continued this discussion. I don't see it as people grabbing every opportunity to bash some aspect of religion.
Do you feel that other religions and people in general put in your head that your suppose to do certain things? For no other reason than , thats how its always been? Just curious if anyone deals with religious/social/political events that effect them in a personal manner. Not here to offend anyones religion. This is just a certain instance i am referring to. If you are offended, i apologize but i cant really deny my own opinion. That'd be a shrew move.
I think this thread is about people who are confronted with (religious) dogma in their daily lives, about one group of people telling the other what to do again based on dogma i.e. 'how it's always been'.
Religion has negative aspects. These will always be discussed.
This may be off-topic a bit, but am I the only one that doesn't like anyone they don't know even setting a foot on their property?
i really do not mind people setting foot on my property....but if someone thinks they are going to set up camp near my tent, in canyonlands.....we will have a civil dispute.
live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
an interesting turn in this thread would be going from christians wanting people to have babies TO the actor Mark Hamill of Star Wars fame being found comatose in a hotel with a dead walrus in his bathtub... and 4 hookers glued to his bed... now that'd be interesting.
Now THAT would be something to read.
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To me it's far more likely that this thread took this turn because many people here have had similar experiences with religious people. One person probably made a comment about religious people going door to door, which isn't so very far from the original point, and people commented on that and continued this discussion. I don't see it as people grabbing every opportunity to bash some aspect of religion.
I think this thread is about people who are confronted with (religious) dogma in their daily lives, about one group of people telling the other what to do again based on dogma i.e. 'how it's always been'.
Religion has negative aspects. These will always be discussed.
thanks for pointing that out ...:)
it seems like the moving train gets way aside the fact faster then all the other portions of the board. This has start to become the only thing i visit now but would be cool if it was a lil neater to read.(Dont get me wrong, sometimes a thread becomes BETTER for going off topic) For the most part its super interesting to see if other people relate, and those who don't.. and what their take is on it.
i really do not mind people setting foot on my property....but if someone thinks they are going to set up camp near my tent, in canyonlands.....we will have a civil dispute.
Oh, I hear that. Fucking hate it when people camp anywhere near me. I avoid all designated campsites for that very reason. And about my property, it's just more likely that I won't go to jail if people stay away from my house, so I encourage that.
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well, then for the sake of faith if that is a legit one , then perhaps there are believers in Christ that are simply saying, "it's not a good time right now"
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My parents and in-laws, and my grandparents are very devout Catholics and they are supporting our decision to use in-vitro. I know there are plenty of Christians who don't take things so seriously, but I was referring to those extremists. Though, my wife spoke to one of the catholic priests at our local parish and he said that using in-vitro is against God's will. His advice to us was to keep trying naturally and it will work out if God is willing. Well that's fine and dandy, but I'd rather not see my wife go through the pain of any more miscarriages. We have gone forward with the in-vitro... it set us back some financially, but we'll be alright. I just hope she doesn't end up with sextuplets!
Don't you mean "we"?
Or are you already planning your escape if it happens.
no, i wouldn't like neo-nazis coming to my door. but that's not who we're talking about. completely different thread.
and i'm really glad i don't live where you guys do. i can't imagine people coming to my door and forcing me to do something. around here, they just ask if we'd be interested in some pamphlets/literature.
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well, you better be watching a lot of Jon and Kate plus 8, right? All you can do is secure the deal that you are concerned for her health and mental capacity to withstand another possible miscarriage. If she is into the whole idea of trying again, then she knows she has your support and that no matter what happens, then you are there for her. In vitro could be said to be whatever it is said by the people who say it, but unless these people are in your shoes, then they have no say at all. And if this priest is so dead set on the whole thing, then tell him to help you find some young american healthy pregnant teenage mom and arrange the adoption should it come out as that.
you know, my good friend met mother theresa and she use to sneak in orphans from other thrid world countries for couples to adopt and love as their own. Then she said that we were creating our own fertility nightmare by allowing so much abortion to be shoved down the throats of our young that no one can really adopt a healthy baby anymore. all there is are crack babies most of the time.
am I pro choice? yeah, but I think there are times when a young mom maight be better off giving the baby up for adoption should she desire that and have the proper support sytems in place.
All in all, do what is right for you guys. take all opinions with a grain of salt. no one can say unless they walk in your shoes.
and here is some optimism for you to feed on...true too....
good friends were unable to conceive for years, a few miscarriages as well. then their church come across a young girl who is pregnant in their own hood. She adopts this baby, beautiiful healthy loved beyond measure blessing they get. And wouldn't you know it! bamn!bamn!bamn! three boys all come a year and a half apart naturally. She loves all the kids; no adoption talk there unless in honesty to tell a story. She is an awesome mom and maybe the stress off made the little guys come?
Idk. keep us posted.............good luck. tell yer wife too,k?
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
nobody forces me into anything... they try and presuade me to go to their church, donate to their charity, etc... but i'm not forced.
and i dont want a pamphlet full of fairy tales and make believe... my daughters have Roald Dahls books.. thats enough for me.
but a neo-nazi coming to my door with a leaflet is exactly the same as a mormon/christian coming to my door with a leaflet...
It may be material for a different thread, but it's exactly the same. Yes, I said 'exactly'.
The point is not what they preach or come to sell, the point is they come.
You can just as as easily tell a neo-nazi 'no thanks' if they offer you literature and pamphlets about their ideology.
I live in a relatively godless country (thank god
Have you read those leaflets? It's pure propaganda. They're not even about the religion, they focus on the points that would scare people into religion and other points that would appeal to people. If I ever multiply I will make sure my children learn to close the door to jehovah's witnesses and not accept any of their information.
Why don't they make a website or just put a leaflet in the mail box? Why do they insist on brain washing you personally, actually coming to your door (they write down the numbers of the people who aren't home, by the way, so they can visit again).
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well its in the same subject matter of religion i suppose... and the enforcing of that religion upon other people without them requesting it..
an interesting turn in this thread would be going from christians wanting people to have babies TO the actor Mark Hamill of Star Wars fame being found comatose in a hotel with a dead walrus in his bathtub... and 4 hookers glued to his bed... now that'd be interesting.
almost any opportunity to bash some aspect of religion is not passed up on this board.
To me it's far more likely that this thread took this turn because many people here have had similar experiences with religious people. One person probably made a comment about religious people going door to door, which isn't so very far from the original point, and people commented on that and continued this discussion. I don't see it as people grabbing every opportunity to bash some aspect of religion.
I think this thread is about people who are confronted with (religious) dogma in their daily lives, about one group of people telling the other what to do again based on dogma i.e. 'how it's always been'.
Religion has negative aspects. These will always be discussed.
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Now THAT would be something to read.
thanks for pointing that out ...:)
it seems like the moving train gets way aside the fact faster then all the other portions of the board. This has start to become the only thing i visit now but would be cool if it was a lil neater to read.(Dont get me wrong, sometimes a thread becomes BETTER for going off topic) For the most part its super interesting to see if other people relate, and those who don't.. and what their take is on it.
Oh, I hear that. Fucking hate it when people camp anywhere near me. I avoid all designated campsites for that very reason. And about my property, it's just more likely that I won't go to jail if people stay away from my house, so I encourage that.
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In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
Reminds me of a great song lyric:
"Don't come over here,
piss on my gate,
Save it, just keep it off my wave."