Jesus Christ, Why are all the Christians Tryin to convince me to have babies?

madtowndave

Maybe you will enjoy this "Christian" idea. Me and my wife have been married 3 years; I am in school, and we are waiting to have kids. One of my wife's close friends (Evangelical Christian) keeps pressuring her to have a baby. She has repeatedly explained that we are waiting. Her friends response this time was to stop taking her birth control without telling me. Nice. My wife told her that she would never do that. But seriously, is recommending lying to your husband a good display of Christian values? I get so sick of this BS....

NMyTree

madtowndave wrote:

Maybe you will enjoy this "Christian" idea. Me and my wife have been married 3 years; I am in school, and we are waiting to have kids. One of my wife's close friends (Evangelical Christian) keeps pressuring her to have a baby. She has repeatedly explained that we are waiting. Her friends response this time was to stop taking her birth control without telling me. Nice. My wife told her that she would never do that. But seriously, is recommending lying to your husband a good display of Christian values? I get so sick of this BS....

You have no idea how many examples I have seen of deception, by so-called Christian faithful. Not regarding this particular subject matter, but many others.

The hypocricy is outrageous.

madtowndave

NMyTree wrote:

You have no idea how many examples I have seen of deception, by so-called Christian faithful. Not regarding this particular subject matter, but many others.

The hypocricy is outrageous.

I completely agree. I grew up in TN. My family was overbearingly Baptist, and I was educated only in Baptist schools. They can't accept that I want nothing to do with their religion (or any other) now. I get so disgusted by their hypocrisy and their irrational logic for condemning anyone who isn't like them.

BetterThanYou

dunkman wrote:

see, do they think i'm sitting at home thinking to myself "oh thats the doorbell.. i hope its 2 nice guys in suits trying to get me into a religion i've never fucking heard of"

if i want to join a religious group I'LL go to one of their churches... are numbers that down they have to press gang people into it?

yeah, but see...if you're sitting around and there's a religion you've never heard of, how else would you get introduced to it? they're actually doing most of the legwork for you by coming to your door. all you have to do is decide if you want to give it a shot or not. i used to get upset about religions going door to door. who wants to get caught up in that? but over the past couple years, i've just accepted it. the door to door visitations, that is. if a group comes to my door and asks me if i'd like some literature on their religion i tell them no thanks, i already belong to a religion, and if i ever converted, my grandmother would rise from the dead and haunt me for the rest of my life. that usually gets a chuckle and a comment that's something like "ok, i understand. have a nice day."

if you think about it, they're not trying to hurt you. they're just excited about something in their life and want to share it with other people. put it this way (and i know the two don't compare at all, but just go with it for the sake of the conversation) : have you ever talked to someone about pearl jam and had them say either they've never heard of them or they thought they broke up years ago? did you offer to burn them a cd to listen to? it's basically the same thing. you want to share something with other people that brings you happiness.

anyway, just thought i'd throw that out there. i'm not trying to convince you to listen to these people, but maybe let you see it in a different way.

pearljgirl2010

I don't want to have kids either...it's AMAZING what people say to that-I've been insulted and told awful things about this decision...do people think they know what's best for me? do they know my lifestyle? No, but they think they do.

I would love to tell some of these people that I actually CAN'T have kids, but thanks for reminding that when my husband dies I'll be alone (yes, someone said that to me). But then I'd be just as bad as them.

Fahka

pearljgirl2010 wrote:

I don't want to have kids either...it's AMAZING what people say to that-I've been insulted and told awful things about this decision...do people think they know what's best for me? do they know my lifestyle? No, but they think they do.

I would love to tell some of these people that I actually CAN'T have kids, but thanks for reminding that when my husband dies I'll be alone (yes, someone said that to me). But then I'd be just as bad as them.

Thats just awful... wish people would just mind their own :(

writersu

LeatherMandi wrote:

I just don't want to have fucking kids! When did that become such a problem. A chick i work with is a complete wackadoo jesus types and pretty much is doing what her "god" tells her NOT to do. Judging me and thinking that i'm denying what should be done?

"Be fruitful, and multiply"

I wonder if God knew that when he said that and then in 2008, There were going to be MILLIONS of homeless orphans. Yet we should make five a couple families to serve a "lord"


I'm not biting. Call me a cynical selfish asshole but i just don't want to bring a child into a world as it is. Not to mention i personally just don't find the idea of childbirth as something i'd like to experience as a woman. Not because there is something less womanly about me. I actually practically raised my little brothers so perhaps my instincts were sufficed. It was cool. They have turned out awesome



Ok but back to my point of this post..

Do you feel that other religions and people in general put in your head that your suppose to do certain things? For no other reason than , thats how its always been? Just curious if anyone deals with religious/social/political events that effect them in a personal manner. Not here to offend anyones religion. This is just a certain instance i am referring to. If you are offended, i apologize but i cant really deny my own opinion. That'd be a shrew move.

Oh, so we can kidnap and then brainwash them and add them to our army and then at armageddon, we can burn all the non believers and eat their flesh.

C'mon. I don't care if you have kids or not. Who tells you that the Christians want you to have kids?
The Bible saying "Be fruitful and multiply" meant that you are to live your life in peace and confidence and bear fruit. That means maybe having kids or it simply means being "fruitful" as in living a life bearng good things, not poisoning all who come in contact with you. And multiply then would mean that you are a living example of the peace of God and maybe people want to know your secret.

he still stands

BetterThanYou wrote:

yeah, but see...if you're sitting around and there's a religion you've never heard of, how else would you get introduced to it? they're actually doing most of the legwork for you by coming to your door. all you have to do is decide if you want to give it a shot or not. i used to get upset about religions going door to door. who wants to get caught up in that? but over the past couple years, i've just accepted it. the door to door visitations, that is. if a group comes to my door and asks me if i'd like some literature on their religion i tell them no thanks, i already belong to a religion, and if i ever converted, my grandmother would rise from the dead and haunt me for the rest of my life. that usually gets a chuckle and a comment that's something like "ok, i understand. have a nice day."

if you think about it, they're not trying to hurt you. they're just excited about something in their life and want to share it with other people. put it this way (and i know the two don't compare at all, but just go with it for the sake of the conversation) : have you ever talked to someone about pearl jam and had them say either they've never heard of them or they thought they broke up years ago? did you offer to burn them a cd to listen to? it's basically the same thing. you want to share something with other people that brings you happiness.

anyway, just thought i'd throw that out there. i'm not trying to convince you to listen to these people, but maybe let you see it in a different way.

A person's relationship with God or gods or the Divine is a personal relationship, not something that should be "sold." Of course they aren't trying to hurt anyone but what makes me sick is when people proselytize their beliefs in an unsolicited manner. I have to deal with thousands of advertisements in my face everyday... do I really need another advertisement asking for my money disguised as an offer of eternal bliss?

And it is not "basically the same thing" as recommending a band. If the band sucks... I'll tell the guy I think so... and it is okay (I wouldn't be a dick about it of course). I don't feel like I can say, "no thanks, your God sucks." It apparently isn't socially acceptable.

BetterThanYou

he still stands wrote:

A person's relationship with God or gods or the Divine is a personal relationship, not something that should be "sold." Of course they aren't trying to hurt anyone but what makes me sick is when people proselytize their beliefs in an unsolicited manner. I have to deal with thousands of advertisements in my face everyday... do I really need another advertisement asking for my money disguised as an offer of eternal bliss?

And it is not "basically the same thing" as recommending a band. If the band sucks... I'll tell the guy I think so... and it is okay (I wouldn't be a dick about it of course). I don't feel like I can say, "no thanks, your God sucks." It apparently isn't socially acceptable.

and of course you just can't say "no thanks" and leave it at that, huh? you have to throw in "your god sucks".

but whatever. if that's the way you want to deal with people, so be it. i don't see a problem with being nicer to someone, even if it's a person peddling a religion at my front door.

JaneNY

BetterThanYou wrote:

and of course you just can't say "no thanks" and leave it at that, huh? you have to throw in "your god sucks".

but whatever. if that's the way you want to deal with people, so be it. i don't see a problem with being nicer to someone, even if it's a person peddling a religion at my front door.

Did you miss what they wrote? They were saying they didn't think it was socially acceptable to say it, and wouldn't, even though they wanted to. They were not going to say 'your god sucks' to a person.

NMyTree

I fail to see why the burden of having to tolerate unsolicited sales pitches from the overly-religious, has to lay on the shoulders of us.

The problem is this, many of these overly-religious nutsacks are extremely pushy, intrusive and downright rude. They don't listen when people respond politely in decline. They keep pushing, probing and using their fear and manipulation tactics.

I think most people are polite at first. But then people lose their patience.

These overly-religious people don't like to take no for an answer and will try to engage in all kinds of personal probes and passive-aggressive vicious comments, which are all very offensive and ignorant.

You don't have the right to push your religion on anyone. Nor do you have the right to routinely and repeatidly attempt to persuade anyone else to donate or support your religion and it's cause.

Furthermore, it should be illegal, a crime for any religious person to approach, engage, influence and try to persuade minors (under 18 years old) with anything having to do with their "chosen" religion; without permission from the minor's parents, beforehand.

I consider that an intellectual assault on my children.

It's not that religious people talk about it and occassionally bring up to conversation or discussion. It's that these religious people can't keep their mouth shut about it. Shut the fuck up about it.

There's a difference between being respectful of others ...... only mentioning it on a rare occasion, and repeatidly shoving and inserting your religious beliefs into every conversation, situation and circumstance. And knocking on my door unsolicited, is not acceptable and nor should I be forced to tolerate it.

If you're excited about your religion than go hang out with your other religious buddies and have a fuckin' party amongst yourselves. High-five each other, read passages from your Holy Book of choice, blow up ballons, play pin the Thorn Of Crowns on The Saviour...whatever.

Keep it amongst yourselves. I didn't ask you to knock on my door and I don't appreciate you dropping by. Get lost. You have no right to impose yourself on me.

You know where you're guaranteed to find people who believe the same shit as you do and enjoy talking about it........at your fuckin' CHURCHES!!!!

We all know where the churches are. We can see them. We know what they are and what they stand for. And we know who hangs out there.

If we wanted to talk religion and hear about your God of choice, we would go there. We would show up at your fuckin' church. We can find churches all on our own, with no help from you.

So wait for us there. If we want to talk religion, that's where we'll go to find you. We'll come to you. Don't come to us.

he still stands

NMyTree wrote:

I fail to see why the burden of having to tolerate unsolicited sales pitches from the overly-religious, has to lay on the shoulders of us.

The problem is this, many of these overly-religious nutsacks are extremely pushy, intrusive and downright rude. They don't listen when people repsond politely in decline. They keep pushing, probing and using their fear and manipulation tactics.

I think most people are polite at first. But then people lose their patience.

These overly-religious people don't like to take no for an answer and will try to engage in all kinds of personal probes and passive-aggressive vicious comments, which are all very offensive and ignorant.

You don't have the right to push your religion on any one. Nor do you have the right to routinely and reatidly attempt to persuade anyone else to donate or support your religion and it's cause.

Furthermore, it should be illegal, a crime for any religious person to approach, engage, influence and try to persuade minors (under 18 years old) with anything having to do with their "chosen" religion; without permission from the minor's parents, beforehand.

I consider that an intellectual assault on my children.

It's not that religious people talk about it and occassionally bring up to conversation or discussion. It's that these religious people can't keep their mouth shut about it. Shut the fuck up about it.

There's a difference between being respectful of others and only mentioning it on a rare occasion, and repeatidly shoving and inserting your religious beliefs into every conversation, situation and circumstance. And knocking on my door unsolicited, is not acceptable and nor should I be forced to tolerate it.

If you're excited about your religion than go hang out with your other religious buddies and have a fuckin' party amongst yourselves. High-five each other, read passages from your Holy Book of choice, blow up ballons, play pin the Thorn Of Crowns on The Saviour...whatever.

Keep it amongst yourselves. I didn't ask you to knock on my door and I don't appreciate you dropping by. Get lost. You have no right to impose yourself on me.

You know where you're guaranteed to find people who believe the same shit as you do and enjoy talking about it........at your fuckin' CHURCHES!!!!

We all know where the churches are. We can see them. We know what they are and what they stand for. And we know who hangs out there.

If we wanted to talk religion and hear about your God of choice, we would go there. We would show up at your fuckin' church. We can find churches all on our own, with no help from you.

So wait for us there. If we want to talk religion, that's where we'll go to find you. We'll come to you. Don't come to us.

Here here.

This could be a good "Don't Proselytize in my Backyard" Bill of Rights!

Also known as, "DP in my B" for all you acronym junkies

he still stands

JaneNY wrote:

Did you miss what they wrote? They were saying they didn't think it was socially acceptable to say it, and wouldn't, even though they wanted to. They were not going to say 'your god sucks' to a person.

yeah I thought that was clear. I'm not a dick to anybody... even though the religious zealot proselytizers are the people who would deserve that type of behavior the most.

ForestBrain

NMyTree wrote:

I fail to see why the burden of having to tolerate unsolicited sales pitches from the overly-religious, has to lay on the shoulders of us.

The problem is this, many of these overly-religious nutsacks are extremely pushy, intrusive and downright rude. They don't listen when people repsond politely in decline. They keep pushing, probing and using their fear and manipulation tactics.

I think most people are polite at first. But then people lose their patience.

These overly-religious people don't like to take no for an answer and will try to engage in all kinds of personal probes and passive-aggressive vicious comments, which are all very offensive and ignorant.

You don't have the right to push your religion on any one. Nor do you have the right to routinely and reatidly attempt to persuade anyone else to donate or support your religion and it's cause.

Furthermore, it should be illegal, a crime for any religious person to approach, engage, influence and try to persuade minors (under 18 years old) with anything having to do with their "chosen" religion; without permission from the minor's parents, beforehand.

I consider that an intellectual assault on my children.

It's not that religious people talk about it and occassionally bring up to conversation or discussion. It's that these religious people can't keep their mouth shut about it. Shut the fuck up about it.

There's a difference between being respectful of others and only mentioning it on a rare occasion, and repeatidly shoving and inserting your religious beliefs into every conversation, situation and circumstance. And knocking on my door unsolicited, is not acceptable and nor should I be forced to tolerate it.

If you're excited about your religion than go hang out with your other religious buddies and have a fuckin' party amongst yourselves. High-five each other, read passages from your Holy Book of choice, blow up ballons, play pin the Thorn Of Crowns on The Saviour...whatever.

Keep it amongst yourselves. I didn't ask you to knock on my door and I don't appreciate you dropping by. Get lost. You have no right to impose yourself on me.

You know where you're guaranteed to find people who believe the same shit as you do and enjoy talking about it........at your fuckin' CHURCHES!!!!

We all know where the churches are. We can see them. We know what they are and what they stand for. And we know who hangs out there.

If we wanted to talk religion and hear about your God of choice, we would go there. We would show up at your fuckin' church. We can find churches all on our own, with no help from you.

So wait for us there. If we want to talk religion, that's where we'll go to find you. We'll come to you. Don't come to us.

Amen!

88keys

I think I can look at this from a different angle. My wife, ever since she was a child, was sure of one thing... she wanted to be a mother. This wasn't infuenced by religion or pressure from anyone or anything, she just loves children and being a mother is something that's important to her. Now the irony is, God (or Allah, Buddah, Satan... whichever diety you believe in), or just plain old bad luck deemd my wife to have infertility issues. She's already had 4 miscarriages (2 last year) and we have now had to resort to in-vitro fertilization (which, of course, isn't covered by our insurance which they deem it as a "cosmetic surgery" because of ass-hats like Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt who use this procedure on a whim because they "don't want to go through the trouble of doing it naturally") as our last chance for being parents. Now, the same bible thumpers who harass the OP for not wanting children, who believe that the Lord wants married couples to procreate as much as possible (which the bible tells us is the only reason to have sex.... sex for pleasure is a sin even for married couples. I'm sure those bible thumpers have never gotten laid by their spouses just because they were horny... LOL!), look down at my wife for using IVF to have children. Why, you ask? Because they believe that if God deems a woman to be infertile, then she was never meant to have children. Therefore, by using any kind of medically assisted reproductive procedures, you are going against the will of God. I guess IVF is like reverse-birth control to them. Irony at it's best!

cornnifer

Been awhile since we've had a rousing "blame all the worlds ills on religion and religious faith and talk about how much Christians, especially, really suck" thread. i think this thread should be moved to a forum called "AMT Classic".
Good times... good times.

BetterThanYou

JaneNY wrote:

Did you miss what they wrote? They were saying they didn't think it was socially acceptable to say it, and wouldn't, even though they wanted to. They were not going to say 'your god sucks' to a person.

my bad, i read what he said wrong. cut me a little slack, i'm not used to being up this early.

that aside, i just can't believe the hostility towards someone knocking on your door and asking if you'd like a friggin' pamphlet. someone that keeps sticking their foot in the door to keep you from shutting it, that's a different story. but to be honest, i've only run into someone like that once and i told him if he didn't want to lose half his foot, he should keep it out of my doorway. but all the other times (and there's been quite a few), every person that i've politely said "no thanks" to has said ok and left. some of you need to lighten up a bit and quit being so angry.

NMyTree

BetterThanYou wrote:

my bad, i read what he said wrong. cut me a little slack, i'm not used to being up this early.

that aside, i just can't believe the hostility towards someone knocking on your door and asking if you'd like a friggin' pamphlet. someone that keeps sticking their foot in the door to keep you from shutting it, that's a different story. but to be honest, i've only run into someone like that once and i told him if he didn't want to lose half his foot, he should keep it out of my doorway. but all the other times (and there's been quite a few), every person that i've politely said "no thanks" to has said ok and left. some of you need to lighten up a bit and quit being so angry.

Hmmmm......I wonder what kind of reaction I would get from religious people if I went around repeatidly knocking on their doors and preaching that they abandon their religion and stop living in a fantasy world?

BetterThanYou

NMyTree wrote:

Hmmmm......I wonder what kind of reaction I would get from religious people if I went around repeatidly knocking on their doors and preaching that they abandon their religion and stop living in a fantasy world?

where do you live? not once have i been preached to by any religious group that's come to my door. it's always the same thing. "hi, i'm from (insert religion or church name here) and was wondering if you'd like some literature to read?" to which i say no thanks and that's the end of it. why get so hyped up about it?

NMyTree

BetterThanYou wrote:

where do you live? not once have i been preached to by any religious group that's come to my door. it's always the same thing. "hi, i'm from (insert religion or church name here) and was wondering if you'd like some literature to read?" to which i say no thanks and that's the end of it. why get so hyped up about it?

Like I said, I know what a church looks like. I know where they are. If I wanted to and had interest, I would go there.

No one needs a housecall sales pitch. We all know where the Churches are.

Don't call me, I'll call you.

Don't visit me, I'll visit you if I have interest.