I fail to see why the burden of having to tolerate unsolicited sales pitches from the overly-religious, has to lay on the shoulders of us.
The problem is this, many of these overly-religious nutsacks are extremely pushy, intrusive and downright rude. They don't listen when people respond politely in decline. They keep pushing, probing and using their fear and manipulation tactics.
I think most people are polite at first. But then people lose their patience.
These overly-religious people don't like to take no for an answer and will try to engage in all kinds of personal probes and passive-aggressive vicious comments, which are all very offensive and ignorant.
You don't have the right to push your religion on anyone. Nor do you have the right to routinely and repeatidly attempt to persuade anyone else to donate or support your religion and it's cause.
Furthermore, it should be illegal, a crime for any religious person to approach, engage, influence and try to persuade minors (under 18 years old) with anything having to do with their "chosen" religion; without permission from the minor's parents, beforehand.
I consider that an intellectual assault on my children.
It's not that religious people talk about it and occassionally bring up to conversation or discussion. It's that these religious people can't keep their mouth shut about it. Shut the fuck up about it.
There's a difference between being respectful of others ...... only mentioning it on a rare occasion, and repeatidly shoving and inserting your religious beliefs into every conversation, situation and circumstance. And knocking on my door unsolicited, is not acceptable and nor should I be forced to tolerate it.
If you're excited about your religion than go hang out with your other religious buddies and have a fuckin' party amongst yourselves. High-five each other, read passages from your Holy Book of choice, blow up ballons, play pin the Thorn Of Crowns on The Saviour...whatever.
Keep it amongst yourselves. I didn't ask you to knock on my door and I don't appreciate you dropping by. Get lost. You have no right to impose yourself on me.
You know where you're guaranteed to find people who believe the same shit as you do and enjoy talking about it........at your fuckin' CHURCHES!!!!
We all know where the churches are. We can see them. We know what they are and what they stand for. And we know who hangs out there.
If we wanted to talk religion and hear about your God of choice, we would go there. We would show up at your fuckin' church. We can find churches all on our own, with no help from you.
So wait for us there. If we want to talk religion, that's where we'll go to find you. We'll come to you. Don't come to us.
I fail to see why the burden of having to tolerate unsolicited sales pitches from the overly-religious, has to lay on the shoulders of us.
The problem is this, many of these overly-religious nutsacks are extremely pushy, intrusive and downright rude. They don't listen when people repsond politely in decline. They keep pushing, probing and using their fear and manipulation tactics.
I think most people are polite at first. But then people lose their patience.
These overly-religious people don't like to take no for an answer and will try to engage in all kinds of personal probes and passive-aggressive vicious comments, which are all very offensive and ignorant.
You don't have the right to push your religion on any one. Nor do you have the right to routinely and reatidly attempt to persuade anyone else to donate or support your religion and it's cause.
Furthermore, it should be illegal, a crime for any religious person to approach, engage, influence and try to persuade minors (under 18 years old) with anything having to do with their "chosen" religion; without permission from the minor's parents, beforehand.
I consider that an intellectual assault on my children.
It's not that religious people talk about it and occassionally bring up to conversation or discussion. It's that these religious people can't keep their mouth shut about it. Shut the fuck up about it.
There's a difference between being respectful of others and only mentioning it on a rare occasion, and repeatidly shoving and inserting your religious beliefs into every conversation, situation and circumstance. And knocking on my door unsolicited, is not acceptable and nor should I be forced to tolerate it.
If you're excited about your religion than go hang out with your other religious buddies and have a fuckin' party amongst yourselves. High-five each other, read passages from your Holy Book of choice, blow up ballons, play pin the Thorn Of Crowns on The Saviour...whatever.
Keep it amongst yourselves. I didn't ask you to knock on my door and I don't appreciate you dropping by. Get lost. You have no right to impose yourself on me.
You know where you're guaranteed to find people who believe the same shit as you do and enjoy talking about it........at your fuckin' CHURCHES!!!!
We all know where the churches are. We can see them. We know what they are and what they stand for. And we know who hangs out there.
If we wanted to talk religion and hear about your God of choice, we would go there. We would show up at your fuckin' church. We can find churches all on our own, with no help from you.
So wait for us there. If we want to talk religion, that's where we'll go to find you. We'll come to you. Don't come to us.
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This could be a good "Don't Proselytize in my Backyard" Bill of Rights!
Also known as, "DP in my B" for all you acronym junkies
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
Did you miss what they wrote? They were saying they didn't think it was socially acceptable to say it, and wouldn't, even though they wanted to. They were not going to say 'your god sucks' to a person.
yeah I thought that was clear. I'm not a dick to anybody... even though the religious zealot proselytizers are the people who would deserve that type of behavior the most.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
I fail to see why the burden of having to tolerate unsolicited sales pitches from the overly-religious, has to lay on the shoulders of us.
The problem is this, many of these overly-religious nutsacks are extremely pushy, intrusive and downright rude. They don't listen when people repsond politely in decline. They keep pushing, probing and using their fear and manipulation tactics.
I think most people are polite at first. But then people lose their patience.
These overly-religious people don't like to take no for an answer and will try to engage in all kinds of personal probes and passive-aggressive vicious comments, which are all very offensive and ignorant.
You don't have the right to push your religion on any one. Nor do you have the right to routinely and reatidly attempt to persuade anyone else to donate or support your religion and it's cause.
Furthermore, it should be illegal, a crime for any religious person to approach, engage, influence and try to persuade minors (under 18 years old) with anything having to do with their "chosen" religion; without permission from the minor's parents, beforehand.
I consider that an intellectual assault on my children.
It's not that religious people talk about it and occassionally bring up to conversation or discussion. It's that these religious people can't keep their mouth shut about it. Shut the fuck up about it.
There's a difference between being respectful of others and only mentioning it on a rare occasion, and repeatidly shoving and inserting your religious beliefs into every conversation, situation and circumstance. And knocking on my door unsolicited, is not acceptable and nor should I be forced to tolerate it.
If you're excited about your religion than go hang out with your other religious buddies and have a fuckin' party amongst yourselves. High-five each other, read passages from your Holy Book of choice, blow up ballons, play pin the Thorn Of Crowns on The Saviour...whatever.
Keep it amongst yourselves. I didn't ask you to knock on my door and I don't appreciate you dropping by. Get lost. You have no right to impose yourself on me.
You know where you're guaranteed to find people who believe the same shit as you do and enjoy talking about it........at your fuckin' CHURCHES!!!!
We all know where the churches are. We can see them. We know what they are and what they stand for. And we know who hangs out there.
If we wanted to talk religion and hear about your God of choice, we would go there. We would show up at your fuckin' church. We can find churches all on our own, with no help from you.
So wait for us there. If we want to talk religion, that's where we'll go to find you. We'll come to you. Don't come to us.
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I think I can look at this from a different angle. My wife, ever since she was a child, was sure of one thing... she wanted to be a mother. This wasn't infuenced by religion or pressure from anyone or anything, she just loves children and being a mother is something that's important to her. Now the irony is, God (or Allah, Buddah, Satan... whichever diety you believe in), or just plain old bad luck deemd my wife to have infertility issues. She's already had 4 miscarriages (2 last year) and we have now had to resort to in-vitro fertilization (which, of course, isn't covered by our insurance which they deem it as a "cosmetic surgery" because of ass-hats like Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt who use this procedure on a whim because they "don't want to go through the trouble of doing it naturally") as our last chance for being parents. Now, the same bible thumpers who harass the OP for not wanting children, who believe that the Lord wants married couples to procreate as much as possible (which the bible tells us is the only reason to have sex.... sex for pleasure is a sin even for married couples. I'm sure those bible thumpers have never gotten laid by their spouses just because they were horny... LOL!), look down at my wife for using IVF to have children. Why, you ask? Because they believe that if God deems a woman to be infertile, then she was never meant to have children. Therefore, by using any kind of medically assisted reproductive procedures, you are going against the will of God. I guess IVF is like reverse-birth control to them. Irony at it's best!
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Been awhile since we've had a rousing "blame all the worlds ills on religion and religious faith and talk about how much Christians, especially, really suck" thread. i think this thread should be moved to a forum called "AMT Classic".
Good times... good times.
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Did you miss what they wrote? They were saying they didn't think it was socially acceptable to say it, and wouldn't, even though they wanted to. They were not going to say 'your god sucks' to a person.
my bad, i read what he said wrong. cut me a little slack, i'm not used to being up this early.
that aside, i just can't believe the hostility towards someone knocking on your door and asking if you'd like a friggin' pamphlet. someone that keeps sticking their foot in the door to keep you from shutting it, that's a different story. but to be honest, i've only run into someone like that once and i told him if he didn't want to lose half his foot, he should keep it out of my doorway. but all the other times (and there's been quite a few), every person that i've politely said "no thanks" to has said ok and left. some of you need to lighten up a bit and quit being so angry.
my bad, i read what he said wrong. cut me a little slack, i'm not used to being up this early.
that aside, i just can't believe the hostility towards someone knocking on your door and asking if you'd like a friggin' pamphlet. someone that keeps sticking their foot in the door to keep you from shutting it, that's a different story. but to be honest, i've only run into someone like that once and i told him if he didn't want to lose half his foot, he should keep it out of my doorway. but all the other times (and there's been quite a few), every person that i've politely said "no thanks" to has said ok and left. some of you need to lighten up a bit and quit being so angry.
Hmmmm......I wonder what kind of reaction I would get from religious people if I went around repeatidly knocking on their doors and preaching that they abandon their religion and stop living in a fantasy world?
Hmmmm......I wonder what kind of reaction I would get from religious people if I went around repeatidly knocking on their doors and preaching that they abandon their religion and stop living in a fantasy world?
where do you live? not once have i been preached to by any religious group that's come to my door. it's always the same thing. "hi, i'm from (insert religion or church name here) and was wondering if you'd like some literature to read?" to which i say no thanks and that's the end of it. why get so hyped up about it?
where do you live? not once have i been preached to by any religious group that's come to my door. it's always the same thing. "hi, i'm from (insert religion or church name here) and was wondering if you'd like some literature to read?" to which i say no thanks and that's the end of it. why get so hyped up about it?
Like I said, I know what a church looks like. I know where they are. If I wanted to and had interest, I would go there.
No one needs a housecall sales pitch. We all know where the Churches are.
Don't call me, I'll call you.
Don't visit me, I'll visit you if I have interest.
they can if they want to. its a free country. if you dont like it put a no tresspassing/soliciting sign in your yard or sit on your porch with a shotgun yelling "git offa mah land!".
geez, you act like you are being oppressed. i've had a couple of mormons visit a couple of times i just said no, they left and we all went about our lives in relative peace. at least until the robots revolted against the humans... but thats another story.
edit: oh but if they are pushy or are harassing you, tell them to fuck off, like you would any salesman.
where do you live? not once have i been preached to by any religious group that's come to my door. it's always the same thing. "hi, i'm from (insert religion or church name here) and was wondering if you'd like some literature to read?" to which i say no thanks and that's the end of it. why get so hyped up about it?
You've been quite lucky I'd say. Most can be and are quite pushy. I've solved it by just not answering the door in the first place.
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Keep it amongst yourselves. I didn't ask you to knock on my door and I don't appreciate you dropping by. Get lost. You have no right to impose yourself on me.
You know where you're guaranteed to find people who believe the same shit as you do and enjoy talking about it........at your fuckin' CHURCHES!!!!
We all know where the churches are. We can see them. We know what they are and what they stand for. And we know who hangs out there.
If we wanted to talk religion and hear about your God of choice, we would go there. We would show up at your fuckin' church. We can find churches all on our own, with no help from you.
So wait for us there. If we want to talk religion, that's where we'll go to find you. We'll come to you. Don't come to us.
VERY WELL put.
To nip the "lets blame Christians and religion for all of the world's problem" shit at the bud.. Let me tell you something. I never once mentioned some guy dressed up in a suit knocking on my door. I'm actually quite nice to those people and offer them something to drink because their parents usually make the teenagers do this as a part of their religion. I'm not gonna yell at some poor kid who is just doing what their parents are telling them to.
The point i had made in which NMyTRee summed up nicely, I was referring to someone whom i HAD to work with. Luckily she just moved recently. So this was something i had to deal with on a daily basis. Not only was i made uncomfortable by the chick i worked with on a daily basis, she also had her even wackier Christian husband who would be at work when i got here! It was one of the most uncomfortable things i have ever had to deal with. The point of the thread was to seek out other people who have had to deal with these kinds of situations. Be them religious, political or what have you Because at the time i had no idea how to handle this situation and being the anti-conflict human being i am i struggled alot and it wasn't fair how i was treated. I would never EVER ever EVER in a million years even badger someone to listen to my favorite band. Much less a religion.Why? Because they are well known and if someone wants to listen, they will.
I mean, even my own mother looks at me differently because i don't read the fucking bible or get dressed up in my finest every sunday. Ok so maybe religion is to blame for all of life's problems
I just don't want to have fucking kids! When did that become such a problem. A chick i work with is a complete wackadoo jesus types and pretty much is doing what her "god" tells her NOT to do. Judging me and thinking that i'm denying what should be done?
"Be fruitful, and multiply"
I wonder if God knew that when he said that and then in 2008, There were going to be MILLIONS of homeless orphans. Yet we should make five a couple families to serve a "lord"
I'm not biting. Call me a cynical selfish asshole but i just don't want to bring a child into a world as it is. Not to mention i personally just don't find the idea of childbirth as something i'd like to experience as a woman. Not because there is something less womanly about me. I actually practically raised my little brothers so perhaps my instincts were sufficed. It was cool. They have turned out awesome
Ok but back to my point of this post..
Do you feel that other religions and people in general put in your head that your suppose to do certain things? For no other reason than , thats how its always been? Just curious if anyone deals with religious/social/political events that effect them in a personal manner. Not here to offend anyones religion. This is just a certain instance i am referring to. If you are offended, i apologize but i cant really deny my own opinion. That'd be a shrew move.
In my opinion, religions were the precursors to governments/law making bodies. They did want you to do certain things for the benefit of the religion. Be fruitful and multiply was really good advice to humanity for most of earth's history to humans--it is now clearly counterproductive for everyone to do so. However, it still remains in a religion's best interests (no matter that is no longer in humanity's best interests), that people "multiply." Children born to Christians (fill in with your choice of religion, actually) will generally become (whatever you filled in)...the idea is to out-breed competing religions and "win" via sheer ready-made numbers rather than through the arduous and often unsuccessful process of conversion.
that aside, i just can't believe the hostility towards someone knocking on your door and asking if you'd like a friggin' pamphlet. someone that keeps sticking their foot in the door to keep you from shutting it, that's a different story. but to be honest, i've only run into someone like that once and i told him if he didn't want to lose half his foot, he should keep it out of my doorway. but all the other times (and there's been quite a few), every person that i've politely said "no thanks" to has said ok and left. some of you need to lighten up a bit and quit being so angry.
would you like it if a neo-nazi group came up to your door and trying to get you to read their pamphlets, attend their meetings, donate money to their cause?
as Nmytree has stated, the giant spire of christ is plain to see... why sell it to me... its not the action of coming to my door that irks me... its the motive... selling christ to me. why bother... i live in a country that has churches in every small town.. i know what they are and what their purpise is... why bother me by coming to the door and 'forcing' me to believe in your god?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
other people don't realize how nosey and offensive it is to us nonchild bearers.
I've been questioned about it and when I try to avoid answering, I've been told, "you still have time" when my excuse was that it never happened. I'm old, but looked 36, maybe I was no longer fertile when they were sticking their nose into my business. When I told them I'm too old, they suggested adopting. I don't have $70K to adopt a child and my husband does not want to.
but people really should keep quiet, not everyone wants kids.
I believe in God, but I do not answer my door for strangers when different religions are knocking on doors. It's that simple. I don't know them.
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other people don't realize how nosey and offensive it is to us nonchild bearers.
I've been questioned about it and when I try to avoid answering, I've been told, "you still have time" when my excuse was that it never happened. I'm old, but looked 36, maybe I was no longer fertile when they were sticking their nose into my business. When I told them I'm too old, they suggested adopting. I don't have $70K to adopt a child and my husband does not want to.
but people really should keep quiet, not everyone wants kids.
I'm with you on this, it's like 'oh poor you' mentality for a single, childless female.
I'm in the opposite boat though, I want to have kids! But I don't like yenta people who say things like 'you have time,' it's like how do you know how I feel?!
People should learn to MYOB.
(mind your own business!)
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I just don't want to have fucking kids! When did that become such a problem. A chick i work with is a complete wackadoo jesus types and pretty much is doing what her "god" tells her NOT to do. Judging me and thinking that i'm denying what should be done?
"Be fruitful, and multiply"
I wonder if God knew that when he said that and then in 2008, There were going to be MILLIONS of homeless orphans. Yet we should make five a couple families to serve a "lord"
I'm not biting. Call me a cynical selfish asshole but i just don't want to bring a child into a world as it is. Not to mention i personally just don't find the idea of childbirth as something i'd like to experience as a woman. Not because there is something less womanly about me. I actually practically raised my little brothers so perhaps my instincts were sufficed. It was cool. They have turned out awesome
Ok but back to my point of this post..
Do you feel that other religions and people in general put in your head that your suppose to do certain things? For no other reason than , thats how its always been? Just curious if anyone deals with religious/social/political events that effect them in a personal manner. Not here to offend anyones religion. This is just a certain instance i am referring to. If you are offended, i apologize but i cant really deny my own opinion. That'd be a shrew move.
Because many (Not all!!!) Christians are Racist and want to ensure the white breed survives. Others don't as much care about race as producing more Christians than Muslims.
All pretty sad really....as we're stripping this planet.
I just don't want to have fucking kids! When did that become such a problem. A chick i work with is a complete wackadoo jesus types and pretty much is doing what her "god" tells her NOT to do. Judging me and thinking that i'm denying what should be done?
"Be fruitful, and multiply"
I wonder if God knew that when he said that and then in 2008, There were going to be MILLIONS of homeless orphans. Yet we should make five a couple families to serve a "lord"
I'm not biting. Call me a cynical selfish asshole but i just don't want to bring a child into a world as it is. Not to mention i personally just don't find the idea of childbirth as something i'd like to experience as a woman. Not because there is something less womanly about me. I actually practically raised my little brothers so perhaps my instincts were sufficed. It was cool. They have turned out awesome
Ok but back to my point of this post..
Do you feel that other religions and people in general put in your head that your suppose to do certain things? For no other reason than , thats how its always been? Just curious if anyone deals with religious/social/political events that effect them in a personal manner. Not here to offend anyones religion. This is just a certain instance i am referring to. If you are offended, i apologize but i cant really deny my own opinion. That'd be a shrew move.
So the title of your post is "Why are all the Christians" and it turns out it's one person at work.
lol...ok. I'm a Christian who hopes all socialists don't have kids.
So the title of your post is "Why are all the Christians" and it turns out it's one person at work.
lol...ok. I'm a Christian who hopes all socialists don't have kids.
Um okay.. it was just ONE scenario.... You don't know how many times it has happend or what ive had to deal with .. and thats fine but please don't pretend like you know things that you have no clue about. Just sayin.. doesnt make for a fair discussion.
Um okay.. it was just ONE scenario.... You don't know how many times it has happend or what ive had to deal with .. and thats fine but please don't pretend like you know things that you have no clue about. Just sayin.. doesnt make for a fair discussion.
Your frustation is understandable and, to a degree, justifiable. Try to undestand the flip side of the coin for a second. When you and others make statements including phrases like "all these Christians" or "just about every Christian in this country" it reads like a blanket indictment and is potentially insulting. Christians are not monolithic. This also removes some of the "fairness" from the discussion.
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I think I can look at this from a different angle. My wife, ever since she was a child, was sure of one thing... she wanted to be a mother. This wasn't infuenced by religion or pressure from anyone or anything, she just loves children and being a mother is something that's important to her. Now the irony is, God (or Allah, Buddah, Satan... whichever diety you believe in), or just plain old bad luck deemd my wife to have infertility issues. She's already had 4 miscarriages (2 last year) and we have now had to resort to in-vitro fertilization (which, of course, isn't covered by our insurance which they deem it as a "cosmetic surgery" because of ass-hats like Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt who use this procedure on a whim because they "don't want to go through the trouble of doing it naturally") as our last chance for being parents. Now, the same bible thumpers who harass the OP for not wanting children, who believe that the Lord wants married couples to procreate as much as possible (which the bible tells us is the only reason to have sex.... sex for pleasure is a sin even for married couples. I'm sure those bible thumpers have never gotten laid by their spouses just because they were horny... LOL!), look down at my wife for using IVF to have children. Why, you ask? Because they believe that if God deems a woman to be infertile, then she was never meant to have children. Therefore, by using any kind of medically assisted reproductive procedures, you are going against the will of God. I guess IVF is like reverse-birth control to them. Irony at it's best!
wow, first off, I am sorry for this time of questioning just whether or not you will be able to conceive children with your wife. First off, where this satnds now, realize that any sane Christian would say that God gave man a great amount knowledge to be used in modern medicine. Whether or not a woman can bear chldren is not necessarily God's decision. there are a million more factors that could add that up in just merely looking to someone's fertility system, the timing of the couple, etc. you know all of this I am sure. So that said, let's remember that no one can tell you how to manage this whole thing and if you have the ability/finances to go the route that is aided by medicine, go for it and let no one stand in your way if the two of you agree. It's your life.
good luck
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tell them i'm trying to have as many as i can. in fact, one every 9 months is not enough fruitfulness, so i've had to resort to using multiple potential mothers!
I just don't want to have fucking kids! When did that become such a problem. A chick i work with is a complete wackadoo jesus types and pretty much is doing what her "god" tells her NOT to do. Judging me and thinking that i'm denying what should be done?
"Be fruitful, and multiply"
I wonder if God knew that when he said that and then in 2008, There were going to be MILLIONS of homeless orphans. Yet we should make five a couple families to serve a "lord"
I'm not biting. Call me a cynical selfish asshole but i just don't want to bring a child into a world as it is. Not to mention i personally just don't find the idea of childbirth as something i'd like to experience as a woman. Not because there is something less womanly about me. I actually practically raised my little brothers so perhaps my instincts were sufficed. It was cool. They have turned out awesome
Ok but back to my point of this post..
Do you feel that other religions and people in general put in your head that your suppose to do certain things? For no other reason than , thats how its always been? Just curious if anyone deals with religious/social/political events that effect them in a personal manner. Not here to offend anyones religion. This is just a certain instance i am referring to. If you are offended, i apologize but i cant really deny my own opinion. That'd be a shrew move.
Number one - I personally am NOT a "Christian."
How can I phrase this without offending you? Chances are - I can't. Not trying to be offensive perhaps you need to stop being so attention seeking - and register to vote. And then vote your conscience.
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How can I phrase this without offending you? Chances are - I can't. Not trying to be offensive perhaps you need to stop being so attention seeking - and register to vote. And then vote your conscience.
Not sure what voting or my conscience has to do with anything but let me adhere and play along.
Wish you would have told me to vote a few years back , when i was already registered. Timing really is everything.
Thank you thank you very much..
*seeks attention elsewhere*
and sorry that my creative thread title caused such a ruckous.. not my intentions to offend but then again.. i really don't care. No one cares if they offend me so, fuck em. I am always polite and just because every sentence isn't bathed in political correctness, (and my absurd knack for forgetting that moving train's sense of humor was lost in the last board crash) i still think i do a fair job at pointing out my points kindly and efficiently.
Anywho, glad this is a forum, its got a great premise. Mucho love
they can if they want to. its a free country. if you dont like it put a no tresspassing/soliciting sign in your yard or sit on your porch with a shotgun yelling "git offa mah land!".
geez, you act like you are being oppressed. i've had a couple of mormons visit a couple of times i just said no, they left and we all went about our lives in relative peace. at least until the robots revolted against the humans... but thats another story.
edit: oh but if they are pushy or are harassing you, tell them to fuck off, like you would any salesman.
We in fact DO have a "No Solication" Sign on our front door - as well as a very angry dog trained to repell those Johovah Witnesses that try to "solict" Jesus to us - despite our obvious sign. I just tell them that I'm a Wiccin or a Druid and tell them that any literature they hand us will only be thrown away. I am aware of life and death. I certainy don't understand the "door-to-door" salesman tactics/mentality of some religious "cults". I could go on. I choose not to.
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I work with some Jehovah Witness ladies and I worry about their safety when they go knocking on doors. This isn't 1950 anymore where everyone knows everyone. A psycho could answer the door
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The problem is this, many of these overly-religious nutsacks are extremely pushy, intrusive and downright rude. They don't listen when people respond politely in decline. They keep pushing, probing and using their fear and manipulation tactics.
I think most people are polite at first. But then people lose their patience.
These overly-religious people don't like to take no for an answer and will try to engage in all kinds of personal probes and passive-aggressive vicious comments, which are all very offensive and ignorant.
You don't have the right to push your religion on anyone. Nor do you have the right to routinely and repeatidly attempt to persuade anyone else to donate or support your religion and it's cause.
Furthermore, it should be illegal, a crime for any religious person to approach, engage, influence and try to persuade minors (under 18 years old) with anything having to do with their "chosen" religion; without permission from the minor's parents, beforehand.
I consider that an intellectual assault on my children.
It's not that religious people talk about it and occassionally bring up to conversation or discussion. It's that these religious people can't keep their mouth shut about it. Shut the fuck up about it.
There's a difference between being respectful of others ...... only mentioning it on a rare occasion, and repeatidly shoving and inserting your religious beliefs into every conversation, situation and circumstance. And knocking on my door unsolicited, is not acceptable and nor should I be forced to tolerate it.
If you're excited about your religion than go hang out with your other religious buddies and have a fuckin' party amongst yourselves. High-five each other, read passages from your Holy Book of choice, blow up ballons, play pin the Thorn Of Crowns on The Saviour...whatever.
Keep it amongst yourselves. I didn't ask you to knock on my door and I don't appreciate you dropping by. Get lost. You have no right to impose yourself on me.
You know where you're guaranteed to find people who believe the same shit as you do and enjoy talking about it........at your fuckin' CHURCHES!!!!
We all know where the churches are. We can see them. We know what they are and what they stand for. And we know who hangs out there.
If we wanted to talk religion and hear about your God of choice, we would go there. We would show up at your fuckin' church. We can find churches all on our own, with no help from you.
So wait for us there. If we want to talk religion, that's where we'll go to find you. We'll come to you. Don't come to us.
Here here.
This could be a good "Don't Proselytize in my Backyard" Bill of Rights!
Also known as, "DP in my B" for all you acronym junkies
yeah I thought that was clear. I'm not a dick to anybody... even though the religious zealot proselytizers are the people who would deserve that type of behavior the most.
Amen!
Good times... good times.
my bad, i read what he said wrong. cut me a little slack, i'm not used to being up this early.
that aside, i just can't believe the hostility towards someone knocking on your door and asking if you'd like a friggin' pamphlet. someone that keeps sticking their foot in the door to keep you from shutting it, that's a different story. but to be honest, i've only run into someone like that once and i told him if he didn't want to lose half his foot, he should keep it out of my doorway. but all the other times (and there's been quite a few), every person that i've politely said "no thanks" to has said ok and left. some of you need to lighten up a bit and quit being so angry.
~D.K.S.
Hmmmm......I wonder what kind of reaction I would get from religious people if I went around repeatidly knocking on their doors and preaching that they abandon their religion and stop living in a fantasy world?
where do you live? not once have i been preached to by any religious group that's come to my door. it's always the same thing. "hi, i'm from (insert religion or church name here) and was wondering if you'd like some literature to read?" to which i say no thanks and that's the end of it. why get so hyped up about it?
~D.K.S.
Like I said, I know what a church looks like. I know where they are. If I wanted to and had interest, I would go there.
No one needs a housecall sales pitch. We all know where the Churches are.
Don't call me, I'll call you.
Don't visit me, I'll visit you if I have interest.
geez, you act like you are being oppressed. i've had a couple of mormons visit a couple of times i just said no, they left and we all went about our lives in relative peace. at least until the robots revolted against the humans... but thats another story.
edit: oh but if they are pushy or are harassing you, tell them to fuck off, like you would any salesman.
I agree.
Plus the Bible's a pretty famous book, if I want to read it I will, but most of what I have read I find truly horrific.
VERY WELL put.
To nip the "lets blame Christians and religion for all of the world's problem" shit at the bud.. Let me tell you something. I never once mentioned some guy dressed up in a suit knocking on my door. I'm actually quite nice to those people and offer them something to drink because their parents usually make the teenagers do this as a part of their religion. I'm not gonna yell at some poor kid who is just doing what their parents are telling them to.
The point i had made in which NMyTRee summed up nicely, I was referring to someone whom i HAD to work with. Luckily she just moved recently. So this was something i had to deal with on a daily basis. Not only was i made uncomfortable by the chick i worked with on a daily basis, she also had her even wackier Christian husband who would be at work when i got here! It was one of the most uncomfortable things i have ever had to deal with. The point of the thread was to seek out other people who have had to deal with these kinds of situations. Be them religious, political or what have you Because at the time i had no idea how to handle this situation and being the anti-conflict human being i am i struggled alot and it wasn't fair how i was treated. I would never EVER ever EVER in a million years even badger someone to listen to my favorite band. Much less a religion.Why? Because they are well known and if someone wants to listen, they will.
I mean, even my own mother looks at me differently because i don't read the fucking bible or get dressed up in my finest every sunday. Ok so maybe religion is to blame for all of life's problems
In my opinion, religions were the precursors to governments/law making bodies. They did want you to do certain things for the benefit of the religion. Be fruitful and multiply was really good advice to humanity for most of earth's history to humans--it is now clearly counterproductive for everyone to do so. However, it still remains in a religion's best interests (no matter that is no longer in humanity's best interests), that people "multiply." Children born to Christians (fill in with your choice of religion, actually) will generally become (whatever you filled in)...the idea is to out-breed competing religions and "win" via sheer ready-made numbers rather than through the arduous and often unsuccessful process of conversion.
would you like it if a neo-nazi group came up to your door and trying to get you to read their pamphlets, attend their meetings, donate money to their cause?
as Nmytree has stated, the giant spire of christ is plain to see... why sell it to me... its not the action of coming to my door that irks me... its the motive... selling christ to me. why bother... i live in a country that has churches in every small town.. i know what they are and what their purpise is... why bother me by coming to the door and 'forcing' me to believe in your god?
I've been questioned about it and when I try to avoid answering, I've been told, "you still have time" when my excuse was that it never happened. I'm old, but looked 36, maybe I was no longer fertile when they were sticking their nose into my business. When I told them I'm too old, they suggested adopting. I don't have $70K to adopt a child and my husband does not want to.
but people really should keep quiet, not everyone wants kids.
I believe in God, but I do not answer my door for strangers when different religions are knocking on doors. It's that simple. I don't know them.
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I'm in the opposite boat though, I want to have kids! But I don't like yenta people who say things like 'you have time,' it's like how do you know how I feel?!
People should learn to MYOB.
(mind your own business!)
"Sometimes life should be consumed in measured doses"
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Because many (Not all!!!) Christians are Racist and want to ensure the white breed survives. Others don't as much care about race as producing more Christians than Muslims.
All pretty sad really....as we're stripping this planet.
Oh well it is in the end evolution.....
what do you say?
(he always ignores his threads)
Yeah wtf? WtfWJD?
What do you say.... god what do you say?
So the title of your post is "Why are all the Christians" and it turns out it's one person at work.
lol...ok. I'm a Christian who hopes all socialists don't have kids.
Um okay.. it was just ONE scenario.... You don't know how many times it has happend or what ive had to deal with .. and thats fine but please don't pretend like you know things that you have no clue about. Just sayin.. doesnt make for a fair discussion.
Your frustation is understandable and, to a degree, justifiable. Try to undestand the flip side of the coin for a second. When you and others make statements including phrases like "all these Christians" or "just about every Christian in this country" it reads like a blanket indictment and is potentially insulting. Christians are not monolithic. This also removes some of the "fairness" from the discussion.
wow, first off, I am sorry for this time of questioning just whether or not you will be able to conceive children with your wife. First off, where this satnds now, realize that any sane Christian would say that God gave man a great amount knowledge to be used in modern medicine. Whether or not a woman can bear chldren is not necessarily God's decision. there are a million more factors that could add that up in just merely looking to someone's fertility system, the timing of the couple, etc. you know all of this I am sure. So that said, let's remember that no one can tell you how to manage this whole thing and if you have the ability/finances to go the route that is aided by medicine, go for it and let no one stand in your way if the two of you agree. It's your life.
good luck
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Number one - I personally am NOT a "Christian."
How can I phrase this without offending you? Chances are - I can't. Not trying to be offensive perhaps you need to stop being so attention seeking - and register to vote. And then vote your conscience.
"Empty pockets will Allow a greater Sense of wealth...." EV/ITW
Not sure what voting or my conscience has to do with anything but let me adhere and play along.
Wish you would have told me to vote a few years back , when i was already registered. Timing really is everything.
Thank you thank you very much..
*seeks attention elsewhere*
and sorry that my creative thread title caused such a ruckous.. not my intentions to offend but then again.. i really don't care. No one cares if they offend me so, fuck em. I am always polite and just because every sentence isn't bathed in political correctness, (and my absurd knack for forgetting that moving train's sense of humor was lost in the last board crash) i still think i do a fair job at pointing out my points kindly and efficiently.
Anywho, glad this is a forum, its got a great premise. Mucho love
We in fact DO have a "No Solication" Sign on our front door - as well as a very angry dog trained to repell those Johovah Witnesses that try to "solict" Jesus to us - despite our obvious sign. I just tell them that I'm a Wiccin or a Druid and tell them that any literature they hand us will only be thrown away. I am aware of life and death. I certainy don't understand the "door-to-door" salesman tactics/mentality of some religious "cults". I could go on. I choose not to.
"Empty pockets will Allow a greater Sense of wealth...." EV/ITW
8/08 - Ed solo in DC, 6/09 Ed in B'more,
10/10 - Brad in B'more