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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    american wrote:
    No he doesn't. Maybe you should re-re-read it.

    The majority of the nation no longer supports the way this war is being fought; nor does the majority of our military. We need a new direction. Not one step back from the war against international terrorism. Not a precipitous withdrawal that ignores the possibility of further chaos. But an immediate shift toward strong regionally-based diplomacy, a policy that takes our soldiers off the streets of Iraq's cities, and a formula that will in short order allow our combat forces to leave Iraq.

    That to me looks like he is giving an option that differs than that of the president's and not just stating that the president is wrong. Again you will prbably brush this off because we all know that only you and you alone are right.
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  • american
    american Posts: 55
    mammasan wrote:
    The majority of the nation no longer supports the way this war is being fought; nor does the majority of our military. We need a new direction. Not one step back from the war against international terrorism. Not a precipitous withdrawal that ignores the possibility of further chaos. But an immediate shift toward strong regionally-based diplomacy, a policy that takes our soldiers off the streets of Iraq's cities, and a formula that will in short order allow our combat forces to leave Iraq.

    That to me looks like he is giving an option that differs than that of the president's and not just stating that the president is wrong. Again you will prbably brush this off because we all know that only you and you alone are right.
    I stand corrected. He offers up one idea, diplomacy. And yes, I and I alone am right.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    american wrote:
    I stand corrected. He offers up one idea, diplomacy. And yes, I and I alone am right.

    One idea is better than none.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    B nice wrote:
    jim webb= bad ass

    Jim Webb once opposed women in the military by calling the idea "a horny woman's dream."
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  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    hippiemom wrote:
    A comfortable home, a modest means of transportation, high quality organic food, medical coverage, education for my kids, books and music, Pearl Jam tickets ... all that stuff costs money, and I want all that stuff, so $21.00 isn't going to cut it. But $21 million would be more than adequate. What I have now is adequate, I'm more interested in the "not going to work every day" part of the equation. Time is worth much more than money.

    That's a pretty high standard of living by world standards. In fact, I bet much of the world's population would consider you to be not only live adequately, but very richly (considering less than half of the world's population has touched a computer). You are part of the evil rich, hippiemom. By hoarding your resources, you keep them from others because you refuse to help due to your selfish greed. You are part of a machine that oppresses millions (many of which are minority women and children). Your excesses could be given up and would feed hundreds, if not many thousands, across a lifetime. There is blood on your hands, hippiemom. I hope you can sleep at night.
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  • Uncle Leo
    Uncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    fanch75 wrote:
    That's a pretty high standard of living by world standards. In fact, I bet much of the world's population would consider you to be not only live adequately, but very richly (considering less than half of the world's population has touched a computer). You are part of the evil rich, hippiemom. By hoarding your resources, you keep them from others because you refuse to help due to your selfish greed. You are part of a machine that oppresses millions (many of which are minority women and children). Your excesses could be given up and would feed hundreds, if not many thousands, across a lifetime. There is blood on your hands, hippiemom. I hope you can sleep at night.

    I guess hippiemom is one of the hardest working people in the world.
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  • Uncle Leo
    Uncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    cincybearcat wrote:
    America...home of the knee jerk reactions!!!

    I KNEW IT!

    You hate America. ;)
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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    fanch75 wrote:
    That's a pretty high standard of living by world standards. In fact, I bet much of the world's population would consider you to be not only live adequately, but very richly (considering less than half of the world's population has touched a computer). You are part of the evil rich, hippiemom. By hoarding your resources, you keep them from others because you refuse to help due to your selfish greed. You are part of a machine that oppresses millions (many of which are minority women and children). Your excesses could be given up and would feed hundreds, if not many thousands, across a lifetime. There is blood on your hands, hippiemom. I hope you can sleep at night.
    Fanch, is this any different than someone on the left saying every Republican who doesn't join the fight in Iraq is a hypocrite?
  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    RainDog wrote:
    Fanch, is this any different than someone on the left saying every Republican who doesn't join the fight in Iraq is a hypocrite?

    My point was that people's judgement of "wealth" and "need" are often based upon their own situation.

    To your point, saying that you have to join the fight in Iraq to not be a hypocrit. Well, that'd be like saying that if you didn't volunteer for the police force, you'd be a hypocrite for saying that cops need to catch thieves & killers.
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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    fanch75 wrote:
    My point was that people's judgement of "wealth" and "need" are often based upon their own situation.

    To your point, saying that you have to join the fight in Iraq to not be a hypocrit. Well, that'd be like saying that if you didn't volunteer for the police force, you'd be a hypocrite for saying that cops need to catch thieves & killers.
    Well, of course. "Wealth" and "Need" are somewhat relative.

    Back to my point, what you said is that a liberal is a hypocrite if he or she doesn't live an ascetic lifestyle. That's no different than saying that every pro-war keyboard general is one, too.

    Personally, I don't believe either.
  • Uncle Leo
    Uncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    RainDog wrote:
    Fanch, is this any different than someone on the left saying every Republican who doesn't join the fight in Iraq is a hypocrite?

    It's a little different because his statement is full of hyperbole and he is perhaps posing a question (at the risk of speaking for Fanch, I'm gonna...speak for Fanch) : "Where do you draw the line? Six figures, 8 figures? 5 figures?"

    My response is that we should think about whether or not the market is flawed when CEOs make 400 times the average. Do they truly work 400 times harder/smarter than the average person? Of course not. If they make 400 times more than the average, they probably make 200 times more than I. And I find the notion that they have worked 200 times harder than I have to be pretty offensive (though they are all older than I and It'll be more like 150 times by the time I am their age...)

    We all know, whether we admit it or not, that there are people taht are born into it. People that have fewer hurdles to climb to get there (I hate to bring the name up, but GWB is the most obvious example).

    I don't know where to draw the line at who is greedy and who is "just gettin' by." I guess the CEO that takes $21 million for being fired is more lucky than greedy. CEOs often get HUGE raises and bonuses during bad, job cutting, times, which is a reminder that it is not only government that can run itself poorly and do financially questionable things.

    There should always be an income gap--incentive--something to strive for. But workin' folks continue to make less money (in constant dollars) year after year. I find that to be a flaw in the market.*

    *Like a Democrat (which I am not), I offer no solution. Just pointing out the problem. :)
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  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    RainDog wrote:
    Well, of course. "Wealth" and "Need" are somewhat relative.

    Back to my point, what you said is that a liberal is a hypocrite if he or she doesn't live an ascetic lifestyle. That's no different than saying that every pro-war keyboard general is one, too.

    Personally, I don't believe either.

    Oh I agree, I don't believe that either. I just read all this anger towards wealthy people and just was pointing out the probable wealth of these angry folks. It's so easy to say "Hey you, you're not giving enough!" or "Hey you, you have too much!".

    Otherwise, Revenge of the Sith was an awesome movie and I watched it again a few weeks ago. Hellz yeah.
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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    fanch75 wrote:
    Otherwise, Revenge of the Sith was an awesome movie and I watched it again a few weeks ago. Hellz yeah.
    A model exercise in the damage caused when you try to do what can't be done - shown through both literal, real world film and the literary experience.

    Literary - obviously the plot of the movie and Anakin's fall.

    Literal - George Lucas trying to make something as good as "The Empire Strikes Back." ;)
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    There should always be an income gap--incentive--something to strive for. But workin' folks continue to make less money (in constant dollars) year after year. I find that to be a flaw in the market.*

    *Like a Democrat (which I am not), I offer no solution. Just pointing out the problem. :)
    It's a difficult situation, and I'm not sure I have a solution either. In fact, I'm not so sure there is a workable solution outside of trying to convice these people not to award such astronomical sums.

    An incentive, perhaps, would be to make these people realize that this won't go on forever. When the gap gets large enough, those on the lower end won't take it anymore, they'll some sort of fucked up revolution, and in the end we'll all suffer.
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    Yeah I was totally impressed by that guy too. Unfortunately the Democrats have always been too stupid to actually run an ELECTABLE candidate.

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