Webb for President

callencallen Posts: 6,388
edited January 2007 in A Moving Train
Great rebuttal last night...wow. Pretty much the first time a democrat didn't pull punches...first time. Loved the last line. Transcript for those that missed it.

Good evening.

I'm Senator Jim Webb, from Virginia, where this year we will celebrate the 400th anniversary of the settlement of Jamestown * an event that marked the first step in the long journey that has made us the greatest and most prosperous nation on earth.

It would not be possible in this short amount of time to actually rebut the president's message, nor would it be useful. Let me simply say that we in the Democratic Party hope that this administration is serious about improving education and health care for all Americans, and addressing such domestic priorities as restoring the vitality of New Orleans.

Further, this is the seventh time the president has mentioned energy independence in his State of the Union message, but for the first time this exchange is taking place in a Congress led by the Democratic Party. We are looking for affirmative solutions that will strengthen our nation by freeing us from our dependence on foreign oil, and spurring a wave of entrepreneurial growth in the form of alternate energy programs. We look forward to working with the president and his party to bring about these changes.

There are two areas where our respective parties have largely stood in contradiction, and I want to take a few minutes to address them tonight. The first relates to how we see the health of our economy,* how we measure it, and how we ensure that its benefits are properly shared among all Americans. The second regards our foreign policy, how we might bring the war in Iraq to a proper conclusion that will also allow us to continue to fight the war against international terrorism, and to address other strategic concerns that our country faces around the world.

Economy
When one looks at the health of our economy, it's almost as if we are living in two different countries. Some say that things have never been better. The stock market is at an all-time high, and so are corporate profits. But these benefits are not being fairly shared. When I graduated from college, the average corporate CEO made 20 times what the average worker did; today, it's nearly 400 times. In other words, it takes the average worker more than a year to make the money that his or her boss makes in one day.

Wages and salaries for our workers are at all-time lows as a percentage of national wealth, even though the productivity of American workers is the highest in the world. Medical costs have skyrocketed. College tuition rates are off the charts. Our manufacturing base is being dismantled and sent overseas. Good American jobs are being sent along with them.

In short, the middle class of this country, our historic backbone and our best hope for a strong society in the future, is losing its place at the table. Our workers know this, through painful experience. Our white-collar professionals are beginning to understand it, as their jobs start disappearing also. And they expect, rightly, that in this age of globalization, their government has a duty to insist that their concerns be dealt with fairly in the international marketplace.

In the early days of our republic, President Andrew Jackson established an important principle of American-style democracy *that we should measure the health of our society not at its apex, but at its base. Not with the numbers that come out of Wall Street, but with the living conditions that exist on Main Street. We must recapture that spirit today.

And under the leadership of the new Democratic Congress, we are on our way to doing so. The House just passed a minimum wage increase, the first in 10 years, and the Senate will soon follow. We've introduced a broad legislative package designed to regain the trust of the American people. We've established a tone of cooperation and consensus that extends beyond party lines. We're working to get the right things done, for the right people and for the right reasons.

International affairs
With respect to foreign policy, this country has patiently endured a mismanaged war for nearly four years. Many, including myself, warned even before the war began that it was unnecessary, that it would take our energy and attention away from the larger war against terrorism, and that invading and occupying Iraq would leave us strategically vulnerable in the most violent and turbulent corner of the world.

I want to share with all of you a picture that I have carried with me for more than 50 years. This is my father, when he was a young Air Force captain, flying cargo planes during the Berlin Airlift. He sent us the picture from Germany, as we waited for him, back here at home. When I was a small boy, I used to take the picture to bed with me every night, because for more than three years my father was deployed, unable to live with us full-time, serving overseas or in bases where there was no family housing. I still keep it, to remind me of the sacrifices that my mother and others had to make, over and over again, as my father gladly served our country. I was proud to follow in his footsteps, serving as a Marine in Vietnam. My brother did as well, serving as a Marine helicopter pilot. My son has joined the tradition, now serving as an infantry Marine in Iraq.

Like so many other Americans, today and throughout our history, we serve and have served, not for political reasons, but because we love our country. On the political issues, those matters of war and peace, and in some cases of life and death, we trusted the judgment of our national leaders. We hoped that they would be right, that they would measure with accuracy the value of our lives against the enormity of the national interest that might call upon us to go into harm's way.

We owed them our loyalty, as Americans, and we gave it. But they owed us * sound judgment, clear thinking, concern for our welfare, a guarantee that the threat to our country was equal to the price we might be called upon to pay in defending it.

Iraq
The president took us into this war recklessly. He disregarded warnings from the national security adviser during the first Gulf War, the chief of staff of the army, two former commanding generals of the Central Command, whose jurisdiction includes Iraq, the director of operations on the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many, many others with great integrity and long experience in national security affairs. We are now, as a nation, held hostage to the predictable *and predicted *disarray that has followed.

The war's costs to our nation have been staggering. Financially. The damage to our reputation around the world. The lost opportunities to defeat the forces of international terrorism. And especially the precious blood of our citizens who have stepped forward to serve.

The majority of the nation no longer supports the way this war is being fought; nor does the majority of our military. We need a new direction. Not one step back from the war against international terrorism. Not a precipitous withdrawal that ignores the possibility of further chaos. But an immediate shift toward strong regionally based diplomacy, a policy that takes our soldiers off the streets of Iraq's cities, and a formula that will in short order allow our combat forces to leave Iraq.

On both of these vital issues, our economy and our national security, it falls upon those of us in elected office to take action.

Regarding the economic imbalance in our country, I am reminded of the situation President Theodore Roosevelt faced in the early days of the 20th century. America was then, as now, drifting apart along class lines. The so-called robber barons were unapologetically raking in a huge percentage of the national wealth. The dispossessed workers at the bottom were threatening revolt.

Roosevelt spoke strongly against these divisions. He told his fellow Republicans that they must set themselves as resolutely against improper corporate influence on the one hand as against demagogy and mob rule on the other. And he did something about it.

As I look at Iraq, I recall the words of former general and soon-to-be President Dwight Eisenhower during the dark days of the Korean War, which had fallen into a bloody stalemate. "When comes the end?" asked the general who had commanded our forces in Europe during World War II. And as soon as he became president, he brought the Korean War to an end.

These presidents took the right kind of action, for the benefit of the American people and for the health of our relations around the world. Tonight we are calling on this president to take similar action, in both areas. If he does, we will join him. If he does not, we will be showing him the way.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    I didn't get to see the president's address but I saw Webb's speech and I thought it was really good. They mentioned prior to his speech that he actually took and ripped up the one written by the party leaders and said that he would read the one he wrote. I like the fact that he did that.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    mammasan wrote:
    I didn't get to see the president's address but I saw Webb's speech and I thought it was really good. They mentioned prior to his speech that he actually took and ripped up the one written by the party leaders and said that he would read the one he wrote. I like the fact that he did that.

    didn't hear that....if you stumble across source..PLEASE post. Does make sense. Go Webb.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    mammasan wrote:
    I didn't get to see the president's address but I saw Webb's speech and I thought it was really good. They mentioned prior to his speech that he actually took and ripped up the one written by the party leaders and said that he would read the one he wrote. I like the fact that he did that.

    I heard this, too...

    I really, really, really liked Webb's speech...I thought he was right on target...
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    callen wrote:
    didn't hear that....if you stumble across source..PLEASE post. Does make sense. Go Webb.

    Brian William's made the comment on NBC last night. I will try to find a written source.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    callen wrote:
    didn't hear that....if you stumble across source..PLEASE post. Does make sense. Go Webb.

    Callen, third paragraph.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16779514/site/newsweek/
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    mammasan wrote:

    very appreciative.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    callen wrote:
    very appreciative.

    My pleasure.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    Too bad it's all just hot air...from everyone right now. I guess we'll see.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Too bad it's all just hot air...from everyone right now. I guess we'll see.
    He's the first politian to call out Bush and his cronies. Very different than his fellow democrates.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    callen wrote:


    Economy
    When one looks at the health of our economy, it's almost as if we are living in two different countries. Some say that things have never been better. The stock market is at an all-time high, and so are corporate profits. But these benefits are not being fairly shared.
    I stopped reading here. shared? why does hard work from someone need to be shared? CEO's work there way to the top. why should they have to share it with everyone below them?
    When I graduated from college, the average corporate CEO made 20 times what the average worker did; today, it's nearly 400 times. In other words, it takes the average worker more than a year to make the money that his or her boss makes in one day.
    and? work harder, get educated and one day you can get to the top.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I stopped reading here. shared? why does hard work from someone need to be shared? CEO's work there way to the top. why should they have to share it with everyone below them?

    and? work harder, get educated and one day you can get to the top.

    I do believe in free market..sooo yea I don't have a problem with CEO's pay...course I think its sad..but hey it is what it is.

    BUT...he still slammed Bush and his administration as no one ever has. And you should keep reading as the last paragraph it is great. No democratic rebuttals have ever gotten close to this. Its not perfect......okay pretty darn close.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • RainDogRainDog Posts: 1,824
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I stopped reading here. shared? why does hard work from someone need to be shared? CEO's work there way to the top. why should they have to share it with everyone below them?

    and? work harder, get educated and one day you can get to the top.
    If everyone was a CEO, then who would work in the mail room?

    If the word "shared" makes you uncomfortable, how about "But the workers who helped that CEO and company earn those astronomical profits are not being fairly paid."

    I mean, seriously: "When I graduated from college, the average corporate CEO made 20 times what the average worker did; today, it's nearly 400 times."
    That's a travesty.
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    did he actually write it? i thought he was just given what to say? could be wrong
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • B niceB nice Posts: 182
    jim webb= bad ass
    george w bush= half ass
    life has nothing to do with killing time
    Bring it on cause I'm no victim

    b nice loves pearl jam like ed vedder loves america
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I stopped reading here. shared? why does hard work from someone need to be shared? CEO's work there way to the top. why should they have to share it with everyone below them?

    and? work harder, get educated and one day you can get to the top.


    wasn't there just recently a ceo who stepped down b/c the company did poorly under him and he left w/ a $21million check? this happens often. so ceos get reqarded for failure, too, i guess?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    El_Kabong wrote:
    wasn't there just recently a ceo who stepped down b/c the company did poorly under him and he left w/ a $21million check? this happens often. so ceos get reqarded for failure, too, i guess?
    getting fired isnt what I would call being rewarded
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jlew24asu wrote:
    getting fired isnt what I would call being rewarded
    If it comes with a check for $21 million, you can fire me every day. I would definitely call that a reward.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    hippiemom wrote:
    If it comes with a check for $21 million, you can fire me every day. I would definitely call that a reward.
    first of all he left out details on why he received that money. could have been cashed out stock options, or a severance package. both are standard when high level people leave based on performance.

    you call getting fired a reward. I dont
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    hippiemom wrote:
    If it comes with a check for $21 million, you can fire me every day. I would definitely call that a reward.
    well duh. you arent an exeuctive. or have goals of making millions of dollars. of course you would not care
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jlew24asu wrote:
    first of all he left out details on why he received that money. could have been cashed out stock options, or a severance package. both are standard when high level people leave based on performance.

    you call getting fired a reward. I dont
    I'm certain I would find $21 million and not having to go to work every day to be quite rewarding.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    hippiemom wrote:
    I'm certain I would find $21 million and not having to go to work every day to be quite rewarding.
    yea I know, your a hippie. you could live off $21.00
  • jlew24asu wrote:
    yea I know, your a hippie. you could live off $21.00

    And a few grilled cheese.
  • El_Kabong wrote:
    did he actually write it? i thought he was just given what to say? could be wrong

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=4089414&postcount=2

    Webb was given a speech to read by the Democratic leadership. He threw it out and wrote his own. As a well-regarded novelist, Webb has a sense of narrative and human drama. He apparently felt that the boots his son wore in Iraq, which he used to great effect during his successful Senate campaign against Sen. George Allen, might be a bit hokey. So instead, he showed a picture of his father during the Berlin airlift. He then went on to describe taking the picture to bed every night and his family's long record of military service.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16779514/site/newsweek/
    I'll dig a tunnel
    from my window to yours
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jlew24asu wrote:
    yea I know, your a hippie. you could live off $21.00
    A comfortable home, a modest means of transportation, high quality organic food, medical coverage, education for my kids, books and music, Pearl Jam tickets ... all that stuff costs money, and I want all that stuff, so $21.00 isn't going to cut it. But $21 million would be more than adequate. What I have now is adequate, I'm more interested in the "not going to work every day" part of the equation. Time is worth much more than money.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    hippiemom wrote:
    A comfortable home, a modest means of transportation, high quality organic food, medical coverage, education for my kids, books and music, Pearl Jam tickets ... all that stuff costs money, and I want all that stuff, so $21.00 isn't going to cut it. But $21 million would be more than adequate. What I have now is adequate, I'm more interested in the "not going to work every day" part of the equation. Time is worth much more than money.
    I hear what your screamin sista
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    hippiemom wrote:
    I'm certain I would find $21 million and not having to go to work every day to be quite rewarding.


    Ok, just to add a bit of reality to the situation...

    Yep, those golden parachutes are very nice...but to be fair, when being fired from a CEO position, the company you are leaving wants to make sure you don't share any of your info about them with another company, so it's in their best interest that they provide you a large sum of $ so you don't have to work anymore...and yes, I'm sure cashing out stock options has something to do with the total sum.

    Oh...and anyone that wants Webb for president based off of 1 prepared 10 minutes speech should have their voting rights revoked.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Ok, just to add a bit of reality to the situation...

    Yep, those golden parachutes are very nice...but to be fair, when being fired from a CEO position, the company you are leaving wants to make sure you don't share any of your info about them with another company, so it's in their best interest that they provide you a large sum of $ so you don't have to work anymore...and yes, I'm sure cashing out stock options has something to do with the total sum.

    Oh...and anyone that wants Webb for president based off of 1 prepared 10 minutes speech should have their voting rights revoked.

    that would be me....well I didn't vote for Jr....so I'm thinking I'll keep my voting rights...now for those that voted for Jr....and twice..well they're candidates to turn in the ole voter registration card. Seriously though....its more than just this speach. Course the balls to blast Jr was just grand....I'm luving it.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    America...home of the knee jerk reactions!!!

    Go Obama!!!! No, I mean Go Webb!!!! Er...Go W!!!!! No, Go Rudy!!!!!

    Only thing thatmatters is who gets the knee jerk approval in November '08. ;)
    hippiemom = goodness
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    America...home of the knee jerk reactions!!!

    Go Obama!!!! No, I mean Go Webb!!!! Er...Go W!!!!! No, Go Rudy!!!!!

    Only thing thatmatters is who gets the knee jerk approval in November '08. ;)

    course you know I didn't really mean it when I said Webb for pres...its just a saying....just his rebuttle was really great..and refreshing. Course anyone that says go W.....eeeiiiick. (-:
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • Ok, just to add a bit of reality to the situation...

    Yep, those golden parachutes are very nice...but to be fair, when being fired from a CEO position, the company you are leaving wants to make sure you don't share any of your info about them with another company, so it's in their best interest that they provide you a large sum of $ so you don't have to work anymore...and yes, I'm sure cashing out stock options has something to do with the total sum.

    Oh...and anyone that wants Webb for president based off of 1 prepared 10 minutes speech should have their voting rights revoked.

    i'm sorry, that's ridiculous...there is such a thing called trade secrets and non-compete agreements...and then breach of that leads to easy lawsuits...
    I'll dig a tunnel
    from my window to yours
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