US National ID Card Rules Unveiled -

jlew24asu

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

You essentially get to protest in a box now. Deviate from where and how you're allowed to protest and how loudly and you're toast.

It's not really called protesting so much as meekly walking along with signs.

this is absolutely utter bullshit. again, you arent even from here but somehow you know?

the protest I saw in chicago were of a few thousand people. they marched through downtown and caused traffic jams for hours on end.


I can stand on the corner all day (and some people do) with a sign that says impeach bush or bush is the worst president in history.

jlew24asu

josevolution wrote:

i believe you just summed up my worries pretty well there so thanks i'm not one of the blind mice ,it's good to keep options opened all the time or have a plan as to an exit ......

then you should get the fuck out and fast. I guarantee you will regret it.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jlew24asu wrote:

this is absolutely utter bullshit. again, you arent even from here but somehow you know?

the protest I saw in chicago were of a few thousand people. they marched through downtown and caused traffic jams for hours on end.


I can stand on the corner all day (and some people do) with a sign that says impeach bush or bush is the worst president in history.

Bush's ideas somehow make their way northward in case you weren't aware of that fact. How many protest videos exist of cops teargassing and harassing citizens on the net?....lots.

jlew24asu

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Bush's ideas somehow make their way northward in case you weren't aware of that fact. How many protest videos exist of cops teargassing and harassing citizens on the net?....lots.

lots? as in 1-2% of all protests nationwide? we are still free to protest whoever you want. with freedom comes responsibility.

JD Sal

jlew24asu wrote:

you have something to hide? has your phone been tapped? no it hasnt. where is this super computer you speak of? sounds made up. wire tapping isnt allowed anymore so relax chief. I have all the privacy I need. I'd be a little more upset if we are turning into London. I'll stand right there with you if we get 10 cameras per person.

From AT&T whistleblower Mark Klein:

"My job was to connect circuits into the splitter device which was hard-wired to the secret room," said Klein. "And effectively, the splitter copied the entire data stream of those internet cables into the secret room -- and we're talking about phone conversations, email web browsing, everything that goes across the internet."

Asked by Olbermann how he knew what was being sent along those particular lines, Klein said it was all part of his former job:

"As a technician, I had the engineering wiring documents, which told me how the splitter was wired to the secret room," Klein continued. "And so I know that whatever went across those cables was copied and the entire data stream was copied..."

According to Klein, that information included internet activity about Americans.

"We're talking about domestic traffic as well as international traffic," Klein said. " And that's what got me upset to begin with."

Previous Bush administration claims that only international communications were being intercepted aren't accurate, Klein says.

"I know the physical equipment, and I know that statement is not true," he added. "It involves millions of communications, a lot of it domestic communications that they're copying wholesale, sweeping up into that secret room."

Uncle Leo

bootlegger10 wrote:

We already have social security numbers folks. WE ARE ALREADY NUMBERS IN THE SYSTEM. Why are you all so scared of advanced social security cards? It is like my parents being scared to buy stuff from the internet. Enough already.

I am not scarred of it, but this big-government liberal finds it to be incredibally wasteful. This is the kind of thing that almost makes me want to vote for Ron Paul. This is not worth even a fraction of the money it's going to cost.

jlew24asu

JD Sal wrote:

From AT&T whistleblower Mark Klein:

"My job was to connect circuits into the splitter device which was hard-wired to the secret room," said Klein. "And effectively, the splitter copied the entire data stream of those internet cables into the secret room -- and we're talking about phone conversations, email web browsing, everything that goes across the internet."

Asked by Olbermann how he knew what was being sent along those particular lines, Klein said it was all part of his former job:

"As a technician, I had the engineering wiring documents, which told me how the splitter was wired to the secret room," Klein continued. "And so I know that whatever went across those cables was copied and the entire data stream was copied..."

According to Klein, that information included internet activity about Americans.

"We're talking about domestic traffic as well as international traffic," Klein said. " And that's what got me upset to begin with."

Previous Bush administration claims that only international communications were being intercepted aren't accurate, Klein says.

"I know the physical equipment, and I know that statement is not true," he added. "It involves millions of communications, a lot of it domestic communications that they're copying wholesale, sweeping up into that secret room."

I dont use AT&T but if I did, they might find out I check email and post on message boards

Cosmo

It's the fucking Mark Of The Beast.. and i don't even believe in the Mark Of The Beast.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jlew24asu wrote:

lots? as in 1-2% of all protests nationwide? we are still free to protest whoever you want. with freedom comes responsibility.

I'm not there to see all of them, however, I have noticed police seem to be a little harder in the head and less tolerant these days in general.

jlew24asu

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I'm not there to see all of them, however, I have noticed police seem to be a little harder in the head and less tolerant these days in general.

you wouldnt know. you dont live here.

JD Sal

jlew24asu wrote:

I dont use AT&T but if I did, they might find out I check email and post on message boards

The government set up spy rooms at other telecommunications companies as well. And whether or not you have something to hide is not the point. Doesn't it bother you that the government bypassed laws and was/is conducting illegal surveillance on Americans?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jlew24asu wrote:

you wouldnt know. you dont live here.

I don;t think I have to. You also don't live where I do.

If anyone else would care to comment I believe my observations are accurate, as I do live in a world class city and have eyes.

norm

blind faith in our government is a dangerous thing

DriftingByTheStorm

JLew your position seems to be, "i don't give a fuck as long as it doesn't directly affect me."

That is one hell of an attitude. Making one of those oh-so-well-received holocaust references, that is the same attitude the people around the world had when Hitler took poland. "I don't give a fuck, because it doesn't threaten me."

When the founders of our country made provisions for things like no search and seizure with out a warrant, they didn't do it becaues they wanted to protect every two-bit crook in America from prosecution.

You try to turn my arguments around and say "so you suppor this asshole? this criminal?" or things like "well if you aren't doing anything illegal, what have you to worry?"

WHY DO YOU THINK THEY PUT THOSE FUCKING PROVISIONS IN THE GODDAMN CONSTITUTION IN THE FIRST PLACE?

The founding fathers, unlike you, seemed to understand that even the slightest erosion of liberty could soon snowball to encompass innocent folks who did no wrong.

Your assertion about drugs being illegal just shows your ignorance. They may have been made illegal by federal law, but the constitution should have been upheld, striking those laws as unconstitutional.

So your position seems to be, "elected officials should be allowed to make whatever laws they see fit, even in violation of the constitution." and also "Who cares if they are violating the constitution or denying you your rights, because you are a criminal."

That is a pretty fucking mature world view.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

I think it's a center of the universe thing.

One man on an island so to speak.

anyhow... I'm off to the gym...


keep it hard..

Ahnimus

I saw on the news last night that the Can/US border might be accepting "Special" Canadian driver's licenses, I'm guessing that means RFID.

jlew24asu

JD Sal wrote:

The government set up spy rooms at other telecommunications companies as well. And whether or not you have something to hide is not the point. Doesn't it bother you that the government bypassed laws and was/is conducting illegal surveillance on Americans?

yes it bothers me. but A) they arent looking for me there is enough dissent among people in congress to make this more transparent.

jlew24asu

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

JLew your position seems to be, "i don't give a fuck as long as it doesn't directly affect me."

That is one hell of an attitude. Making one of those oh-so-well-received holocaust references, that is the same attitude the people around the world had when Hitler took poland. "I don't give a fuck, because it doesn't threaten me."

When the founders of our country made provisions for things like no search and seizure with out a warrant, they didn't do it becaues they wanted to protect every two-bit crook in America from prosecution.

You try to turn my arguments around and say "so you suppor this asshole? this criminal?" or things like "well if you aren't doing anything illegal, what have you to worry?"

WHY DO YOU THINK THEY PUT THOSE FUCKING PROVISIONS IN THE GODDAMN CONSTITUTION IN THE FIRST PLACE?

The founding fathers, unlike you, seemed to understand that even the slightest erosion of liberty could soon snowball to encompass innocent folks who did no wrong.

you are getting a little too excited over this. but I'm with ya. keep up the good fight. seriously.

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Your assertion about drugs being illegal just shows your ignorance. They may have been made illegal by federal law, but the constitution should have been upheld, striking those laws as unconstitutional.

how is pot being illegal unconstitutional?

DriftingByTheStorm

jlew24asu wrote:

you are getting a little too excited over this. but I'm with ya. keep up the good fight. seriously.

how is pot being illegal unconstitutional?

Can the government make red shirts or nike sneakers illegal?

On what grounds is marijuana illegal?

It is bad for me?

Pfft.

How is pot being illegal CONSTITUTIONAL?

jlew24asu

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Can the government make red shirts or nike sneakers illegal?

if enough people pressure their congress reps, a rep brings it to the floor, and voting happens and it passes, then yes. but you knew all this already right?

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

On what grounds is marijuana illegal?

It is bad for me?

Pfft.

How is pot being illegal CONSTITUTIONAL?

do you always answer a question with a question? pot has been illegal for over 100 years I think?

but you claim its unconstitutional because big bad government is taking away your god given right to have fun.