yeah :rolleyes:
...apart from as a historical document.
Point is that whether something like this stands in the constitution is moot, as long as it can be put there if needed and wanted. The world did not stop turning in 1776.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
I agree with McCain's stance that we should have a strong, well-funded and proactive military. I agree with his stance that Iraq, in principle, was the right thing to do, but that the "securing the peace" portion was horribly botched, leaving us in the precarious position we are in today.
I agree with his stance that we can't leave Iraq a complete and utter mess.
I cannot, in good conscience, vote for any candidate that promises to withdraw troops immediately, regardless of the circumstance on the ground.
Either, A) They really mean it, and that's a stupid thing to promise without knowing what the circumstances are going to be when he/she takes office or, They're just pandering, which in my opinion would actually be the lesser of two evils in this case.
If McCain weren't so wishy washy on nearly every other issue, and if he weren't 71 and maybe a little senile, I might consider voting for him.
I respect McCain.....he's been in the trenches...he knows what hell war is.....on him being wishy washy....he's simply pandering to our extremist fundamentalist christians....
on the age thing...if he's healthy....the wisdom is grand....and as a bonus...he's not looking for a paycheck when he's done with the presidency as Dubya will be....
McCain and Hilliary......McCain
Huckabilly and Hilliary.....oh noooooo
Any repub canditate (except RP) and Obama......Obama
Edwards and Obama are at least TALKING about things like boosting the middle class, healthy care and the (saving, not raping) the environment.
something we haven't seen in the past seven years much less from this pack of losers.
you know, I like the "grass roots revolution" thing as much as the next guy
but until we can get the "liberal" media to cover this guy and get someone to include him in a debate it ain't gonna happen.
You will never see Edwards as our pres. in this lifetime.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
how can anyone at this point say Iraq was the right thing to do? ... the only purpose in Iraq was to send the country back a few decades, make it debt-ridden to the US and to award a bunch of no-bid contracts to engineering firms and defence contractors ... any other talking point is pure fabrication ...
Blah, blah, blah. I have my reasons, which we've been debating for four years now. This is not the thread for those.
Someone asked what I like and don't about McCain and other candidates, I answered.
That's enough for this thread. If you want a thread debating the merits of the war in Iraq, try the search function. I'm sure you'll find hundreds.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Blah, blah, blah. I have my reasons, which we've been debating for four years now. This is not the thread for those.
Someone asked what I like and don't about McCain and other candidates, I answered.
That's enough for this thread. If you want a thread debating the merits of the war in Iraq, try the search function. I'm sure you'll find hundreds.
fair enuf in that this is not the place nor was i necessarily trying to make it the place ... i was a bit shocked as although we have been debating this for years - it's evolved similar to climate change ... most people just have accepted certain things ...
Comments
never said free
Americans in the age of tax cuts will have a hard time understanding this.
it would be free in the same way your public education is free
it would be free in the same way cops are free
it would be free in the same way your fire department is free
it would be free in the same way the iraq war is free
I'm not saying we have to increase taxes (on the average joe), I think we can be smarter about spending
actually, I've already explained this three pages ago so I'll just cut to the question:
aren't you just a little embarrased questioning Universal health care when every other first world nation can do it?
and of course I am still waiting for your justification of how I am selfish and greedy?
...apart from as a historical document.
Point is that whether something like this stands in the constitution is moot, as long as it can be put there if needed and wanted. The world did not stop turning in 1776.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
I respect McCain.....he's been in the trenches...he knows what hell war is.....on him being wishy washy....he's simply pandering to our extremist fundamentalist christians....
on the age thing...if he's healthy....the wisdom is grand....and as a bonus...he's not looking for a paycheck when he's done with the presidency as Dubya will be....
McCain and Hilliary......McCain
Huckabilly and Hilliary.....oh noooooo
Any repub canditate (except RP) and Obama......Obama
RP and OBama......celebrate
sorry, got a little cranky as the night went on
I understand your "model" of the utopian workforce
someone has to do the shitty jobs in America. By your model, every single American has the capacity to do a job that is not working at the 7-11.
yet we get enraged when we can't get good customer service because people don't give a shit about their job.
or we wonder why no one behind the counter speaks english
and some complain abot illegal workers taking jobs, even shitty ones.
apparently, the American workforce has taken your advice.
You will never see Edwards as our pres. in this lifetime.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Blah, blah, blah. I have my reasons, which we've been debating for four years now. This is not the thread for those.
Someone asked what I like and don't about McCain and other candidates, I answered.
That's enough for this thread. If you want a thread debating the merits of the war in Iraq, try the search function. I'm sure you'll find hundreds.
for the least they could possibly do
fair enuf in that this is not the place nor was i necessarily trying to make it the place ... i was a bit shocked as although we have been debating this for years - it's evolved similar to climate change ... most people just have accepted certain things ...