so....we know that the world is flat, but.....

farfromglorified

danmac wrote:

Why label me an atheist?

I am the normal one, who believes onyl the existence he is living. Why label me? Its like labelling someone who isn't disabled, able-bodied. It takes what is 'abnormal', what is the 'minority' (i.e. the disability, the blind faith in a cartoon character) and transferring that to the majority.

I am me, I am what I do, and I am human.

Dude, I don't need to label you as anything. If you believe there is no God, that's your belief. Personally, I'm not going pretend such a belief isn't on par with someone who believes there is a God.

farfromglorified

dunkman1974 wrote:

science and its many theories point to a no god state of reasoning for me at least... i.e. evoultion, planet creation, the solar system, etc etc

for instance, if god exists and he created us and he also created the solar system, our Earth etc... then he, god, us ultimately responsible for the demise of his creations, all of us and all life on Earth...

Ok. Why would God care about that?

the planet Earth is poorly designed... god is so all-powerful and all so-knowing yet his design of the planet is hugely flawed... earthquakes and tsunamis happen as a result of various plates shifting, you know the reasons why actually, so ultimately gods poor creation of this planet is causing his people to die... its his fault... ergo, god doesnt exist as why would he create a planet that killed his own image... isnt that a bit sadistic...

"Hugely flawed"?? Just because things negatively affect humanity does not make them "hugely flawed". It's logically just as easy to say everything is perfect as it is to say that everything is "hugely flawed". Such statements require standards and the standards of men are not necessarily the same as the standards of God.

God may very well be sadistic. So what?

he also designed a sun, a sun that will eventually die out and will therefore mean that certain types of life, life that he created, will cease to exist... again thats a huge design flaw... and it makes me think that he cant exist,

Again, it's not necessarily a "huge design flaw". You're once again assuming that God wants man to live on Earth forever.

why isnt he fixing the plates under the earths crust as we speak... he isnt... and this doesnt come under the guise of free will.. god is a poor craftsmen... and bad craftsmen shouldnt blame their tools,

Perhaps he's no Bob Vila. Perhaps he doesn't care. Perhaps he enjoys reading the poor arguments he creates on message boards. How the fuck do I know?

farfromglorified

catefrances wrote:

my validation comes from within, not from the heavens.

Now this is a religion I can get on board with.

dunkman

farfromglorified wrote:

Ok. Why would God care about that?

why would god not care...?? isnt he supposed to be caring, loving, other buzz words, etc..

farfromglorified wrote:

God may very well be sadistic. So what?

it makes him less a figure of worship... it makes Satan look like a 40-something cotton wool salesman with a penchant for doing some "bad things"

if he is so sadistic, then why do humans worship someone who ultimately oversees their demise... how very Koreshian isnt it...

farfromglorified wrote:

Again, it's not necessarily a "huge design flaw". You're once again assuming that God wants man to live on Earth forever.

i am, yes...

farfromglorified wrote:

Perhaps he's no Bob Vila. Perhaps he doesn't care. Perhaps he enjoys reading the poor arguments he creates on message boards. How the fuck do I know?

you dont know... and niether do I... logical thought prevails and i believe if he were to exist that, yes, he would enjoy reading the arguments on this board

farfromglorified

dunkman1974 wrote:

why would god not care...?? isnt he supposed to be caring, loving, other buzz words, etc..

Supposedly, yes. He's also supposedly a pretty violent dude.

Here's the thing: there have been no less than a billion proposed Gods in the history of mankind, all of which have unique characteristics depending on the people and societies that spawn those proposals. God might be all of those things. God might be none of those things. God might also be a really bizarre mixture of some of those things.

it makes him less a figure of worship... it makes Satan look like a 40-something cotton wool salesman with a penchant for doing some "bad things"

Hey, some people worship Satan. When it comes to death and destruction, perhaps they're on the wrong team.

if he is so sadistic, then why do humans worship someone who ultimately oversees their demise... how very Koreshian isnt it...

Well, that's more of a psychology question than a God question. But my personal opinion is that people need something to justify the ugliness inside them and God does a good job at that.

i am, yes...

And maybe he does want men to live on Earth forever and he'll save the sun Superman style. But there's an equal possibility that maybe he just doesn't care.

you dont know... and niether do I... logical thought prevails and i believe if he were to exist that, yes, he would enjoy reading the arguments on this board

dunkman

farfromglorified wrote:

But there's an equal possibility that maybe he just doesn't care.

yes... that very true... and at least you are saying that. The extremist purveyors of religion on here wouldnt say that... and they feel god is everything that i was suggesting he wasnt earlier... they wouldnt be able to accept that god is pretty much a violent, sadistic, lazy designer of planets with a lust for death... 'their' god is the cuddly PG-rated version that appears in Heston movies... at least you have alternate theories on his rationale, the others appear to be sheep, but all following different shepherds

farfromglorified

dunkman1974 wrote:

yes... that very true... and at least you are saying that. The extremist purveyors of religion on here wouldnt say that...

Likely not. That said, the extermist purveyors of atheism aren't likely to admit the very real possibility that a God does exist. Both sides are attached to their faith because it fills some ancillary psychological need within them. And ancillary pyschological needs cannot create or erase a God that does not or does actually exist.

and they feel god is everything that i was suggesting he wasnt earlier... they wouldnt be able to accept that god is pretty much a violent, sadistic, lazy designer of planets with a lust for death...

Well, I'm not sure about that. With common Western faith does come a violent God. Furthermore, it also comes with a concept of "divine plan" which typically revolves around some kind of end-of-days scenario. They certainly wouldn't frame God as you do above, but the reality of the situation might mean that the opinion above and their opinion are not all that different.

'their' god is the cuddly PG-rated version that appears in Heston movies... at least you have alternate theories on his rationale, the others appear to be sheep, but all following different shepherds

Heh...that's true.

It's funny though. I've always thought of some environmentalists this way too. They have the cuddly Disney view of nature where anything that is natural is "good" and anything that is man-made is "evil". It sets up a very religious-style dichotomy in an attempt to extract guilt and control behavior. I feel that elements of our society are inching back towards a more tribal system of religion where God is less Hero Man and more mysterious force of nature. Not that I'm saying it's worse or terrible or that actual environmental issues are not of paramount importance, of course. But you saying the above reminded me of that.