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MilestoneMilestone Posts: 1,140
edited July 2006 in A Moving Train
when will people finally figure out that there is no god?
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  • rightonduderightondude Posts: 745
    Because you missed the threads on this already?

    It's been covered at length, and the concluision is that there is no proof in either direction that's conclusive. It is an endless, circular argument no matter how much you think you know, or can prove. It goes way beyond what you can even think to prove, or hope to think of proving? Get it?
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    When will scientists, who previously thought the world was flat but now realize it's not, come to accept the existance of God. Just like they cam eto accept the world's shape.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Something that is technically flat, is round, because it's flat only relative to the earth, which is round. So theoretically the earth is also flat, if it's the standard for flat.
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  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    Milestone wrote:
    when will people finally figure out that there is no god?

    When you can prove it. Go ahead.
  • SundaySilenceSundaySilence Posts: 536
    Scientists never thought the world is flat.
  • RockinInCanadaRockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    God can be found within yourself...
  • MilestoneMilestone Posts: 1,140
    rightondude wrote:
    Because you missed the threads on this already?

    It's been covered at length, and the concluision is that there is no proof in either direction that's conclusive. It is an endless, circular argument no matter how much you think you know, or can prove. It goes way beyond what you can even think to prove, or hope to think of proving? Get it?



    Thanks. Close the thread please. There is no room for further discussion, since others have already discussed it.

    In fact....the entire message board should be shut down, because everything regarding Pearl Jam has already been discussed at least once.
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  • Nakedeye66Nakedeye66 Posts: 94
    Regarding the morally vacuous UN, it was once said:

    "If Algeria introduced a resolution declaring that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass ..."
    -Abba Eban

    And it bears mention that the UN bans only one country from sitting on its cherished committes - Israel. Hmmmm, sounds like real apartheid to me and not the imagined slur made by Israel's foes.

    You'd be hard pressed to find anyone in Israel as racist as Kofi Annan.
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    this thread is fucking retarded, but i find it funny that the person who believes in nothing is supposed to prove it.

    The person who believes that God does not exist is not a person who believes in nothing. He is a person who believes that God cannot exist.
    it's pretty easy really...where's your proof of god? oh, this book, i see.

    I don't believe in God.
  • MilestoneMilestone Posts: 1,140
    The same person that told me there was a Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, and Tooth Fairy..........

    .........also told me there was a God.
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  • miskinmiskin Posts: 278
    i pity the godless like i pity the tramp in the street.

    to be an athiest is to have no self respect. u think ur brain power is a cause of nature. think to urselves on moment, one by one. is it possible that someone with ur complex thoughts and self awareness is just a mistake?

    if you find a watch on an uninhabited island... you would say someone must have put it there. for a watch is too complex a mechanism to have just got there by chance. the watch must have had a designers, and a manufacturer, as its mechanisms are complex, and need to be exact for it to work.

    think of yourself, and compare yourself with a watch. you must think you are very simple people
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  • sourdoughsourdough Posts: 579
    miskin wrote:
    i pity the godless like i pity the tramp in the street.

    That is very godly of you. Who says that we're mistakes?
  • rightonduderightondude Posts: 745
    Milestone wrote:
    Thanks. Close the thread please. There is no room for further discussion, since others have already discussed it.

    In fact....the entire message board should be shut down, because everything regarding Pearl Jam has already been discussed at least once.

    Who said close the thread? (You I guess?). I just said you aren't gonna find yourself an answer (anytime soon) ;)

    It's not religion you must find, but spirituality. Without it, your head is a sad miserable place to hang out in...
  • MilestoneMilestone Posts: 1,140
    miskin wrote:
    i pity the godless like i pity the tramp in the street.

    to be an athiest is to have no self respect. u think ur brain power is a cause of nature. think to urselves on moment, one by one. is it possible that someone with ur complex thoughts and self awareness is just a mistake?

    if you find a watch on an uninhabited island... you would say someone must have put it there. for a watch is too complex a mechanism to have just got there by chance. the watch must have had a designers, and a manufacturer, as its mechanisms are complex, and need to be exact for it to work.

    think of yourself, and compare yourself with a watch. you must think you are very simple people



    I don't think we were just 'put here by mistake'.

    I think we were monkeys that evolved into humans over millions of years.

    But, you can stick with your watch on an island theory. You are the type of person that needs to have an answer to every question. In fact, that's what religion is. An answer that someone came up with, because the question of "why and how did we get here" is too complex.
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  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    miskin wrote:
    i pity the godless like i pity the tramp in the street.

    You may pity whomever you like. Don't be surprised if many of us "godless" consider your pity to be irrelevant.
    to be an athiest is to have no self respect. u think ur brain power is a cause of nature. think to urselves on moment, one by one. is it possible that someone with ur complex thoughts and self awareness is just a mistake?

    A mistake? No. An act of nature? Yes.
    if you find a watch on an uninhabited island... you would say someone must have put it there. for a watch is too complex a mechanism to have just got there by chance. the watch must have had a designers, and a manufacturer, as its mechanisms are complex, and need to be exact for it to work.

    I would say so because watches are made by men, not by islands.
    think of yourself, and compare yourself with a watch. you must think you are very simple people

    I think I'm far better than a watch.
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    Milestone wrote:
    The same person that told me there was a Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, and Tooth Fairy..........

    .........also told me there was a God.

    The same person who told me that there is no God also told me a belief is not a belief.
  • MilestoneMilestone Posts: 1,140
    rightondude wrote:
    Who said close the thread? (You I guess?). I just said you aren't gonna find yourself an answer (anytime soon) ;)

    It's not religion you must find, but spirituality. Without it, your head is a sad miserable place to hang out in...



    You told me that I missed the previous threads on this, it's been covered at length, and there was a conclusion.

    To me, that means that I started a topic that's been beaten to death and we should move on to the next topic.
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  • rightonduderightondude Posts: 745
    Milestone wrote:
    You told me that I missed the previous threads on this, it's been covered at length, and there was a conclusion.

    To me, that means that I started a topic that's been beaten to death and we should move on to the next topic.

    This is why I think the Matrix could be real. :D It is how your mind has been conditioned to react that you assumed we should conclude all thought process.

    The threads can be anything (the title is generic enough) and all threads on MT usually become anyways. :D
  • MilestoneMilestone Posts: 1,140
    rightondude wrote:
    This is why I think the Matrix could be real. :D It is how your mind has been conditioned to react that you assumed we should conclude all thought process.


    I was being sarcastic when I said to close the thread.

    You were being serious when you repremanded me for starting a topic that apparently has been beaten to death.
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  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    SundaySilence wrote:
    Scientists never thought the world is flat.
    How about leeches could cure a cold. Science has told us lots that has been complete and utter nonsense. It will continue to do so. It is getting more accurate at some things though.
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  • sourdoughsourdough Posts: 579
    surferdude wrote:
    How about leeches could cure a cold. Science has told us lots that has been complete and utter nonsense. It will continue to do so. It is getting more accurate at some things though.

    You could hardly call any of that science though. Science was more just a bunch of anecdotal observations and superstition. Wouldn't you agree that science is much different now? Its a far too simplistic and obviously flawed example.
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    sourdough wrote:
    You could hardly call any of that science though. Science was more just a bunch of anecdotal observations and superstition. Wouldn't you agree that science is much different now? Its a far too simplistic and obviously flawed example.
    And 500 hundred years from now they'll look back and say the same about our current science. So knowing that does that mean "You could hardly call any of that science."
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  • rightonduderightondude Posts: 745
    Milestone wrote:
    I was being sarcastic when I said to close the thread.

    You were being serious when you repremanded me for starting a topic that apparently has been beaten to death.

    It wasn't a reprimand. It was just a previously experienced comment on the matter.

    I wasn't implying that you give up, and not try find out for yourself.
  • SundaySilenceSundaySilence Posts: 536
    sourdough wrote:
    You could hardly call any of that science though. Science was more just a bunch of anecdotal observations and superstition. Wouldn't you agree that science is much different now? Its a far too simplistic and obviously flawed example.

    No, the scientific method was developed by Aristotle. It was never a bunch of anecdotes. Leeches was not science, medicine at the time of leeches wasn't science. Although leeches are used in medicine today.

    Science generally builds on itself Newton's theories were expanded by Einstein, but it certainly doesn't void them into nonsense.
  • sourdoughsourdough Posts: 579
    surferdude wrote:
    And 500 hundred years from now they'll look back and say the same about our current science. So knowing that does that mean "You could hardly call any of that science."

    I'm not so sure about that. We spend millions of dollars, years of training and practice, and we've had a TON of breakthroughs in technology, medicine, and a much clearer picture of the natural world. I'm not saying that in the future they won't shake their heads at some things we've done or thought, but I think its undeniable that science plays a way bigger part in everyday life than it did back then when science was practiced by a very few people and based in belief rather than tested hypothesis.
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    SundaySilence wrote:
    No, the scientific method was developed by Aristotle. It was never a bunch of anecdotes. Leeches was not science, medicine at the time of leeches wasn't science. Although leeches are used in medicine today.

    Science generally builds on itself Newton's theories were expanded by Einstein, but it certainly doesn't void them into nonsense.
    You sound like the Catholic Church regarding infallability of the Pope. So because it was bad science you don't think it should count as science.
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  • sourdoughsourdough Posts: 579
    SundaySilence wrote:
    No, the scientific method was developed by Aristotle. It was never a bunch of anecdotes. Leeches was not science, medicine at the time of leeches wasn't science. Although leeches are used in medicine today.

    Science generally builds on itself Newton's theories were expanded by Einstein, but it certainly doesn't void them into nonsense.

    Right, but the majority of science during the medieval times and even until more recently was based on belief and was much more philisophical in nature. The scientific theory may have existed but how often applied?
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    sourdough wrote:
    I'm not so sure about that. We spend millions of dollars, years of training and practice, and we've had a TON of breakthroughs in technology, medicine, and a much clearer picture of the natural world. I'm not saying that in the future they won't shake their heads at some things we've done or thought, but I think its undeniable that science plays a way bigger part in everyday life than it did back then when science was practiced by a very few people and based in belief rather than tested hypothesis.
    So based on this and a lack of accurate climate model, we only then have an unproven hypothesis regarding climate change.
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  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    miskin wrote:
    i pity the godless like i pity the tramp in the street.

    to be an athiest is to have no self respect.

    No, I have plenty of self respect, thank you very much.

    How does believing in a god make you respect yourself anymore? Surely being an atheist means having no respect for the concept of god?
    Unless every Catholic believes that he/she is god (hint: they don't), your point is invalid...
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  • SundaySilenceSundaySilence Posts: 536
    surferdude wrote:
    So based on this and a lack of accurate climate model, we only then have an unproven hypothesis regarding climate change.

    There is an accurate climate model. I find the hostility to such notions puzzling. Afterall, these folks also split an atom and put a man on the moon.
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