The logic in your sarcasm is damaged at a fundamental level.
"i am going to give money to GWB but it is ok"
uhm...you don't have to give him anything...he's already stealing it from you.
my point is that we tend to say things like the oil company owns the white house (which might be true) we should watch where people donation are coming from. i say the same thing abotu every person running.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
I think ron paul has made it quite clear (particularly on Glenn Beck) that he does NOT sympathize with supremicist views.
I also think that it DOES show integrity that he does NOT return the money. Like he said, doing so is little more than PANDERING. And as such is nothing more than catering to populist PC sentiment.
Blech.
The fundamental principal here is that if someone chooses to send contributions to a campaign that is their personal right to demonstrate support through free speech. It is not a candidates duty (nor should it even be of his concern) to monitor the thought process and political motivations of any and all supporters who contribute.
If Ron Paul wants to stand up to the media and fight based on principal (like he ALWAYS does), i say more power to him. If it costs him some votes, i say that is unfortunate for those knuckleheads who see this as an "issue". Way to miss the forest for the trees.
Again, back to what the man said directly, what about all the special interest money that EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE ACCEPTS?
All the oil money, the money from the military-industrial folks, the corporatists, the NWO elite, the globalists, the envrionmental destructivists, etc?
Isn't that morally reprehensible as well? Should Rockerfeller and Murdoch have their contributions returned?
Should huckabee return EVERY DOLLAR from EVERY SUPPORTER who hates gay people and wants gay marriage banned?
What about every other racist, biggot, isolationist, xenophobe, sexist, etc that contributes to ANY candidate?
Where are you drawing the line?
We are singling out Paul because he is out of the "mainstream" and an easy target away from the flock. More importantly it is of necessity to the status quo media to discredit him.
If a white supremacist, rapist, polygamist, wealthy, bisexual, cousin-marrying, southern, obese, chronically masturbating, slave owning, old, chronically alcoholic, white male american handed me a $20: I'd take it. And then I would wash my hands.
The point being, Ron Paul should have "washed his hands". Because that money was sticky, and it wasn't sugar.
It's perfectly fair to question Ron Paul for accepting this contribution IMO. Politicians can be bought and when they do gain power, they tend to remember how they got there.
People criticize Bush and Hilary for their supporters, to no do so with Ron Paul would be biased and unfair.
And I think the real problem is not that he accepted the money but the fact that it was donated. While Ron Paul may not support the White Supremacists, they support him. And they obviously do so for a reason. I think, when considering Ron Paul, you have to wonder what will happen if he is elected? The white supremacists and other extremists support him because they believe they will have more freedoms to express their beliefs. While this happen and if it does, what does that mean for the rest of us?
I think, when considering Ron Paul, you have to wonder what will happen if he is elected? The white supremacists and other extremists support him because they believe they will have more freedoms to express their beliefs. While this happen and if it does, what does that mean for the rest of us?
if he's elected? the War ends? america finds itself in a better situation? more people have the freedom to say what they believe? these are good things right?
I don't see why this donation thing is such a big issue, I think it's time to move on.
Politicians can be bought and when they do gain power, they tend to remember how they got there.
So, he got FIVE FUCKING MILLION DOLLARS IN ONE DAY, and you think he is going to pimp himself out to the lone racist that gave him FIVE HUNDRED FUCKING DOLLARS?
:rolleyes:
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
By BRIAN SKOLOFF, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 54 minutes ago
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul has received a $500 campaign donation from a white supremacist, and the Texas congressman doesn't plan to return it, an aide said Wednesday.
Don Black, of West Palm Beach, recently made the donation, according to campaign filings. He runs a Web site called Stormfront with the motto, "White Pride World Wide." The site welcomes postings to the "Stormfront White Nationalist Community."
"Dr. Paul stands for freedom, peace, prosperity and inalienable rights. If someone with small ideologies happens to contribute money to Ron, thinking he can influence Ron in any way, he's wasted his money," Paul spokesman Jesse Benton said. "Ron is going to take the money and try to spread the message of freedom."
"And that's $500 less that this guy has to do whatever it is that he does," Benton added.
Black said he supports Paul's stance on ending the war in Iraq, securing U.S. borders and his opposition to amnesty for illegal immigrants.
"We know that he's not a white nationalist. He says he isn't and we believe him, but on the issues, there's only one choice," Black said Wednesday.
"We like his stand on tight borders and opposition to a police state," Black told The Palm Beach Post earlier.
On his Web site, Black says he has been involved in "the White patriot movement for 30 years."
he should keep it. they're americans and have a right to their beliefs.
If a white supremacist, rapist, polygamist, wealthy, bisexual, cousin-marrying, southern, obese, chronically masturbating, slave owning, old, chronically alcoholic, white male american handed me a $20: I'd take it. And then I would wash my hands.
The point being, Ron Paul should have "washed his hands". Because that money was sticky, and it wasn't sugar.
Woah, woah, WOAH,....woah. What's so bad about chronic masturbation?
As a non-fan, I don't give a shit whether he keeps it. I know as well as anyone that most politicians act on behalf of big donors for their terms. But nobody can realistically tell me that he is going to act on behalf of some assclown that gave him $500. He will act on that guy's behalf about as much as Barrack Obama would act on my behalf if I gave him $500. Obama: "Hey (Uncle Leo), thanks for the donation. It helped me get elected. Have any initiatives you'd like to see put through." Paul: "Hey mister Black. Thanks for the donation. Anything you need done?" Black: "How 'bout gettin the Jews to wear stars of david like in Nazi Germany." Paul: "Done." I don't think so.
So the question is, is the acceptance of the money tacit approval of white supremacy. I think not. I'd actually criticize him if he did not provide his rationalle, but he did. He needs the money. He'll take it. He won't help his "white power" goals. If he happens to have other things in common, so be it.
And even if Paul wins, this is MUCH less meaningful than some of the campaign and party funding that goes on with people of much more influence than this bigot.
I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
He has a good point, the money would probably have gone to this guy's website otherwise so now he has a little less money to promote his hatred. And I agree with what Uncle Leo said as well.
I don't know if I'd take it, though. Nobody wants to get their money from racists and assholes and whatever (well, exclude the greedy people and of course other racists and asshole). So his solution isn't so bad. Would you really return it?
If a neo-nazi came up to me and said here's $50 now you can go by some white supremacist books. I'd accept and probably give it to a homeless person or something.
He has a good point, the money would probably have gone to this guy's website otherwise so now he has a little less money to promote his hatred. And I agree with what Uncle Leo said as well.
I don't know if I'd take it, though. Nobody wants to get their money from racists and assholes and whatever (well, exclude the greedy people and of course other racists and asshole). So his solution isn't so bad. Would you really return it?
If a neo-nazi came up to me and said here's $50 now you can go by some white supremacist books. I'd accept and probably give it to a homeless person or something.
I don't think I'd take it either, but that's about my own shit and comfort level. Call me PC, or whatever, but I'd want to say "thanks but no thanks." But if Paul is comfortable, then so be it.
I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
I don't think I'd take it either, but that's about my own shit and comfort level. Call me PC, or whatever, but I'd want to say "thanks but no thanks." But if Paul is comfortable, then so be it.
I think he should give the money back, to show he isn't in the same league as this shady don black character. If I was a US voter and I saw a politician take money from people like that it would put me off completely. I think it could really damage his reputation by keeping it, but he sounds pretty right-wing anyway.
The real problem is that this measly donation by this racist guy has given him and his dodgy website tons of free publicity, regardless of what the politician does. If people didn't know of it before, they do now. Anyway, it doesn't matter because it's full of thickos anyway but still.
"We have to change the concept of patriotism to one of “matriotism” — love of humanity that transcends war. A matriarch would never send her own children off to wars that kill other people’s children." Cindy Sheehan --- London, Brixton, 14 July 1993 London, Wembley, 1996 London, Wembley, 18 June 2007 London, O2, 18 August 2009 London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012 Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 06 June 2017
It all comes down to public perception... if you accept money from White Supremacists or L.a. Street Gangs, or the Charles Manson Fan Club... you are going to take heat for it. Your best option is to thankfully decline the or donate the full amount to an organization... in this case... to the NAACP or American Negro College Fund.
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Hail, Hail!!!
It all comes down to public perception... if you accept money from White Supremacists or L.a. Street Gangs, or the Charles Manson Fan Club... you are going to take heat for it. Your best option is to thankfully decline the or donate the full amount to an organization... in this case... to the NAACP or American Negro College Fund.
Good idea! If he cares what message he is giving out by taking this money, he should turn around and give it to an anti-racist group, something to help poor black youth, or even the Katrina relief fund. That would piss off don black big time.
In the end it comes down to this politican's personal integrity, but like most politicians, he probably hasn't got any.
"We have to change the concept of patriotism to one of “matriotism” — love of humanity that transcends war. A matriarch would never send her own children off to wars that kill other people’s children." Cindy Sheehan --- London, Brixton, 14 July 1993 London, Wembley, 1996 London, Wembley, 18 June 2007 London, O2, 18 August 2009 London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012 Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 06 June 2017
It all comes down to public perception... if you accept money from White Supremacists or L.a. Street Gangs, or the Charles Manson Fan Club... you are going to take heat for it. Your best option is to thankfully decline the or donate the full amount to an organization... in this case... to the NAACP or American Negro College Fund.
No doubt, it is a win-win for him. Distance himself from a hate group while being charitable. Unless he really doesn't want to lose his white supremacist voters, in which case he may lose others.
No doubt, it is a win-win for him. Distance himself from a hate group while being charitable. Unless he really doesn't want to lose his white supremacist voters, in which case he may lose others.
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You got it...
I'm just guessing here... but if you have White Supremacists endorsing you and printing up bumper stickers with your name next to swastikas, it's going to be detrimental to your campaign. His losing the White Supremacists would probably be a good thing for him.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
...
You got it...
I'm just guessing here... but if you have White Supremacists endorsing you and printing up bumper stickers with your name next to swastikas, it's going to be detrimental to your campaign. His losing the White Supremacists would probably be a good thing for him.
A few of his supporters are detrimental to his campaign. It's not just the White Supremacists.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
A few of his supporters are detrimental to his campaign.
For observations sake, it sure seems that with not only no help from the media, but with often obvious intended malice, the man is doing pretty damn good.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
This story is exposed. Hm...gee....gotta wonder how the media found out and so quickly spread a story about a measly $500.
What a joke.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Comments
yes, to all of it.
you may say i'm a dreamer, but i'm not the only one.
~to quote another guy who was not an idiot.
you're welcome, btw, for the compliment. don't make me regret saying it.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
my point is that we tend to say things like the oil company owns the white house (which might be true) we should watch where people donation are coming from. i say the same thing abotu every person running.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
So you agree that singling out Ron Paul here is nothing more than an establishment propaganda job?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Exactamundo!
The point being, Ron Paul should have "washed his hands". Because that money was sticky, and it wasn't sugar.
People criticize Bush and Hilary for their supporters, to no do so with Ron Paul would be biased and unfair.
And I think the real problem is not that he accepted the money but the fact that it was donated. While Ron Paul may not support the White Supremacists, they support him. And they obviously do so for a reason. I think, when considering Ron Paul, you have to wonder what will happen if he is elected? The white supremacists and other extremists support him because they believe they will have more freedoms to express their beliefs. While this happen and if it does, what does that mean for the rest of us?
if he's elected? the War ends? america finds itself in a better situation? more people have the freedom to say what they believe? these are good things right?
I don't see why this donation thing is such a big issue, I think it's time to move on.
So, he got FIVE FUCKING MILLION DOLLARS IN ONE DAY, and you think he is going to pimp himself out to the lone racist that gave him FIVE HUNDRED FUCKING DOLLARS?
:rolleyes:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
he should keep it. they're americans and have a right to their beliefs.
Woah, woah, WOAH,....woah. What's so bad about chronic masturbation?
So the question is, is the acceptance of the money tacit approval of white supremacy. I think not. I'd actually criticize him if he did not provide his rationalle, but he did. He needs the money. He'll take it. He won't help his "white power" goals. If he happens to have other things in common, so be it.
And even if Paul wins, this is MUCH less meaningful than some of the campaign and party funding that goes on with people of much more influence than this bigot.
I don't know if I'd take it, though. Nobody wants to get their money from racists and assholes and whatever (well, exclude the greedy people and of course other racists and asshole). So his solution isn't so bad. Would you really return it?
If a neo-nazi came up to me and said here's $50 now you can go by some white supremacist books. I'd accept and probably give it to a homeless person or something.
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I don't think I'd take it either, but that's about my own shit and comfort level. Call me PC, or whatever, but I'd want to say "thanks but no thanks." But if Paul is comfortable, then so be it.
Exactly.
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It's not wrong, it just makes everything sticky.
I thought you were supposed to be in the bathroom?
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
Hilarious!
At first I was like "huh, what's she trying to imply" and then it hit me. Somedays I'm a little slow.
So, in conclusion, go Ron Paul. He doesn't stand a chance, but if I can still spew his name and politics everywhere, I'll be satisfied.
Nothing slow about you love.
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Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
Last i checked those polls everyone likes to quote, he was consistently coming in THIRD in both Iowa AND NH, statisticaly speaking.
Statisticaly speaking = Coming in 4th + Margin Of Error, Taking Third Place Winner MINUS Margin Of Error.
Margin Of Error = Margin of Distortion
Polls = Most of the current polls coming out with results BEFORE massive TV Ad campaign started
If I opened it now would you not understand?
That is just plain funny.
The real problem is that this measly donation by this racist guy has given him and his dodgy website tons of free publicity, regardless of what the politician does. If people didn't know of it before, they do now. Anyway, it doesn't matter because it's full of thickos anyway but still.
---
London, Brixton, 14 July 1993
London, Wembley, 1996
London, Wembley, 18 June 2007
London, O2, 18 August 2009
London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012
Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
Hail, Hail!!!
Good idea! If he cares what message he is giving out by taking this money, he should turn around and give it to an anti-racist group, something to help poor black youth, or even the Katrina relief fund. That would piss off don black big time.
In the end it comes down to this politican's personal integrity, but like most politicians, he probably hasn't got any.
---
London, Brixton, 14 July 1993
London, Wembley, 1996
London, Wembley, 18 June 2007
London, O2, 18 August 2009
London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012
Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
No doubt, it is a win-win for him. Distance himself from a hate group while being charitable. Unless he really doesn't want to lose his white supremacist voters, in which case he may lose others.
You got it...
I'm just guessing here... but if you have White Supremacists endorsing you and printing up bumper stickers with your name next to swastikas, it's going to be detrimental to your campaign. His losing the White Supremacists would probably be a good thing for him.
Hail, Hail!!!
A few of his supporters are detrimental to his campaign. It's not just the White Supremacists.
When will people perk up and finally start to listen?
A man before his time...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8S0fESfsTcI
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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For observations sake, it sure seems that with not only no help from the media, but with often obvious intended malice, the man is doing pretty damn good.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
http://erichufschmid.net/Ron-Paul-Nazi-trick.html
This story is exposed. Hm...gee....gotta wonder how the media found out and so quickly spread a story about a measly $500.
What a joke.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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