Paul keeps white supremacist donation

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edited December 2007 in A Moving Train
Just wondering what y'all think of this.

By BRIAN SKOLOFF, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 54 minutes ago

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul has received a $500 campaign donation from a white supremacist, and the Texas congressman doesn't plan to return it, an aide said Wednesday.

Don Black, of West Palm Beach, recently made the donation, according to campaign filings. He runs a Web site called Stormfront with the motto, "White Pride World Wide." The site welcomes postings to the "Stormfront White Nationalist Community."

"Dr. Paul stands for freedom, peace, prosperity and inalienable rights. If someone with small ideologies happens to contribute money to Ron, thinking he can influence Ron in any way, he's wasted his money," Paul spokesman Jesse Benton said. "Ron is going to take the money and try to spread the message of freedom."

"And that's $500 less that this guy has to do whatever it is that he does," Benton added.

Black said he supports Paul's stance on ending the war in Iraq, securing U.S. borders and his opposition to amnesty for illegal immigrants.

"We know that he's not a white nationalist. He says he isn't and we believe him, but on the issues, there's only one choice," Black said Wednesday.

"We like his stand on tight borders and opposition to a police state," Black told The Palm Beach Post earlier.

On his Web site, Black says he has been involved in "the White patriot movement for 30 years."
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Does anyone see the irony in the White Supremacist being named Don Black?
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  • Cosmo wrote:
    Does anyone see the irony in the White Supremacist being named Don Black?

    Hehe... that $500 is in much better hands now imo. Money well spent.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • ThecureThecure Posts: 814
    Hehe... that $500 is in much better hands now imo. Money well spent.

    what would you have said if the money was given to anyone else like say McCain? no attack just wondering
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  • Thecure wrote:
    what would you have said if the money was given to anyone else like say McCain? no attack just wondering


    Mc Cain is more pro war and radical about preemptive murder than Bush, so that to me is a bad investment. It has nothing to do with the person, and everything to do with the cause itself. Money is money regardless of who is spending it.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    This is something Paul will have to continue to walk a fine line on. he is going to attract anyone with a vested interest in freedom of speech. Which DOES mean a lot of nutjobs. He will have to be careful how he handles free vs hate speech, since he bases EVERYTHING on the constitution. This is perfect fuel for his opponents.
  • Here's a video of RP directly addressing this issue.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqPhrqllHzY

    Hey Neil Cavuto...nice count Dracula haircut...matches the personality it seems.
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Mc Cain is more pro war and radical about preemptive murder than Bush, so that to me is a bad investment. It has nothing to do with the person, and everything to do with the cause itself. Money is money regardless of who is spending it.

    yup you are officially

    A.) Brainwashed
    B.) Attracted to Ron Paul
    C.) Not very wise


    Money is Money Regardless of who is spending it??

    You are aware White Supremacy promotes and is in itself terrorism... or lemme guess...somehow they aren't because they where white sheets and not turbans.

    What would you do if you were ron paul....would you take their racist money?
  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    lol...i just went to that website and the first thread i see is

    ''Will Africa ever be civilized''


    these ar eyour people roland :)
  • geniegenie Posts: 2,222
    macgyver06 wrote:
    yup you are officially

    A.) Brainwashed
    B.) Attracted to Ron Paul
    C.) Not very wise


    Money is Money Regardless of who is spending it??

    You are aware White Supremacy promotes and is in itself terrorism... or lemme guess...somehow they aren't because they where white sheets and not turbans.

    What would you do if you were ron paul....would you take their racist money?

    well, i'm just going to butt in, in here :D

    if Ron Paul is a good candidate ( i know fuck all about him ) then, sure it's a money well spent......though i'd never give my money to politicians.

    "somehow they aren't because they where white sheets and not turbans" very good point of view :)
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    macgyver06 wrote:
    yup you are officially

    A.) Brainwashed
    B.) Attracted to Ron Paul
    C.) Not very wise


    Money is Money Regardless of who is spending it??

    You are aware White Supremacy promotes and is in itself terrorism... or lemme guess...somehow they aren't because they where white sheets and not turbans.

    What would you do if you were ron paul....would you take their racist money?

    I was going to reply but you wouldn't understand it anyway.
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  • KannKann Posts: 1,146
    mammasan wrote:
    I was going to reply but you wouldn't understand it anyway.

    Well he does have a point. If you (well not you, but the politicians recieving the money) have some principles, not all money is just money. You may want to show your extreme loathing of some movements by doing THE most extreme thing nowadays : refusing money.
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Kann wrote:
    Well he does have a point. If you (well not you, but the politicians recieving the money) have some principles, not all money is just money. You may want to show your extreme loathing of some movements by doing THE most extreme thing nowadays : refusing money.

    He actually does have a point, I just like busting his balls because it's so easy. I'm a little disappointed in Paul for not returning the money. Even though he is a strong supporter of free speech that doesn't mean that he has to accept money from hate organizations. He can still defend their rights, as dictated in the Constitution. I'm still going to support him because in my opinion he is the best option out there.
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    this is like my first point in a decade :)
  • NoKNoK Posts: 824
    Cosmo wrote:
    Does anyone see the irony in the White Supremacist being named Don Black?

    I swear that was the first thing that popped into my head when I read that name!
  • macgyver06 wrote:
    this is like my first point in a decade :)

    No shit.
    and it was a weak point, too.

    Returning money is PC bullshit.
    Paul is right, if someone with fucked up ideologies wants to contribute money to HIS ideology, then better Paul should have it than the real nutter.

    Either way, the idea of candidates sifting through and verifying the ideologies of ALL CONTRIBUTORS is a fucking bullshit proposition.

    So, is it only when some crazy hating fuck is a high profile crazy hating fuck that a candidate should return money?

    WTF for, a dog and pony show?
    Grow up people.
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  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    if someone gives you money for a campaign, why would you return it? This is exactly as stupid as not taking money from other countries when they offered it after Katrina... It's free.. take it.

    You don't owe them anything, besides the guy said he agree with him on a variety of issues not dealing with white supremacy...

    That being said.... shall we dig up every donor of every dollar on both sides in this race....I think that would raise a few eyebrows.
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  • macgyver06macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    No shit.
    and it was a weak point, too.

    Returning money is PC bullshit.
    Paul is right, if someone with fucked up ideologies wants to contribute money to HIS ideology, then better Paul should have it than the real nutter.

    Either way, the idea of candidates sifting through and verifying the ideologies of ALL CONTRIBUTORS is a fucking bullshit proposition.

    So, is it only when some crazy hating fuck is a high profile crazy hating fuck that a candidate should return money?

    WTF for, a dog and pony show?
    Grow up people.


    you have absolutely no understanding of integrity and self worth

    and your points will remain weak until you figure it out on your own
  • ThecureThecure Posts: 814
    Hi i work for an oil company and i am going to give money to GWB but it is Ok as experience has shown i won't ask for anything back.

    GWB says "hey money is money, it does not matter where it comes from"
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  • macgyver06 wrote:
    yup you are officially

    A.) Brainwashed
    B.) Attracted to Ron Paul
    C.) Not very wise


    Money is Money Regardless of who is spending it??

    You are aware White Supremacy promotes and is in itself terrorism... or lemme guess...somehow they aren't because they where white sheets and not turbans.

    What would you do if you were ron paul....would you take their racist money?

    Ok let's give the money back to him them...in fact lets give him twice the amount back...maybe he'll use the extra to go burn a church down.

    that'll teach us for using money toward a good cause!!

    wtf!?!?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • macgyver06 wrote:
    you have absolutely no understanding of integrity and self worth

    and your points will remain weak until you figure it out on your own

    coming from you, that means alot.
    "Integrity" coming from the guy who spews insults in just about every post.

    I'm suprised you haven't had a little time out ban recently.
    Maybe its time to change that.

    ;)
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  • Thecure wrote:
    Hi i work for an oil company and i am going to give money to GWB but it is Ok as experience has shown i won't ask for anything back.

    GWB says "hey money is money, it does not matter where it comes from"

    The logic in your sarcasm is damaged at a fundamental level.

    "i am going to give money to GWB but it is ok"

    uhm...you don't have to give him anything...he's already stealing it from you.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    Cosmo wrote:
    Does anyone see the irony in the White Supremacist being named Don Black?

    ya beat me to it!
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  • Maybe I'm missing the point in that some people must either think Ron Paul is in fact worse than a white supremacist, or just really have no idea what is going on in their own country, and the world around them.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • KannKann Posts: 1,146
    No shit.
    and it was a weak point, too.

    Returning money is PC bullshit.
    Paul is right, if someone with fucked up ideologies wants to contribute money to HIS ideology, then better Paul should have it than the real nutter.

    I found it was a good point. A politicians should have some principles, uphold some values. His job isn't just to raise as much money as possible but to get his message through. And you would have thought that Mr. Black's values would be despised by ron paul. And aren't the ron paul fan boys (not meaning this as an insult, I just don't know how to call you) always saying he has integrity and stuff like that?
    if someone gives you money for a campaign, why would you return it? This is exactly as stupid as not taking money from other countries when they offered it after Katrina... It's free.. take it.
    It has nothing to do with Katrina unless Ron Paul actually needs that money to buy himself food and shelter. Ron Paul will use this money to fight for his ideas in the presidential race. If the money is tainted he should not accept it as not to taint his ideas.
    The logic in your sarcasm is damaged at a fundamental level.
    "i am going to give money to GWB but it is ok"
    uhm...you don't have to give him anything...he's already stealing it from you.
    Nice way to miss the point, could you be a politician yourself?
  • Kann wrote:
    I found it was a good point. A politicians should have some principles, uphold some values. His job isn't just to raise as much money as possible but to get his message through. And you would have thought that Mr. Black's values would be despised by ron paul. And aren't the ron paul fan boys (not meaning this as an insult, I just don't know how to call you) always saying he has integrity and stuff like that?

    I think ron paul has made it quite clear (particularly on Glenn Beck) that he does NOT sympathize with supremicist views.

    I also think that it DOES show integrity that he does NOT return the money. Like he said, doing so is little more than PANDERING. And as such is nothing more than catering to populist PC sentiment.

    Blech.

    The fundamental principal here is that if someone chooses to send contributions to a campaign that is their personal right to demonstrate support through free speech. It is not a candidates duty (nor should it even be of his concern) to monitor the thought process and political motivations of any and all supporters who contribute.

    If Ron Paul wants to stand up to the media and fight based on principal (like he ALWAYS does), i say more power to him. If it costs him some votes, i say that is unfortunate for those knuckleheads who see this as an "issue". Way to miss the forest for the trees.

    Again, back to what the man said directly, what about all the special interest money that EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE ACCEPTS?
    All the oil money, the money from the military-industrial folks, the corporatists, the NWO elite, the globalists, the envrionmental destructivists, etc?
    Isn't that morally reprehensible as well? Should Rockerfeller and Murdoch have their contributions returned?
    Should huckabee return EVERY DOLLAR from EVERY SUPPORTER who hates gay people and wants gay marriage banned?
    What about every other racist, biggot, isolationist, xenophobe, sexist, etc that contributes to ANY candidate?

    Where are you drawing the line?
    We are singling out Paul because he is out of the "mainstream" and an easy target away from the flock. More importantly it is of necessity to the status quo media to discredit him.
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  • sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    macgyver06 wrote:
    you have absolutely no understanding of integrity and self worth

    and your points will remain weak until you figure it out on your own

    not to mention the naivete' demonstrated in thinking that money doesn't = influence.

    neither of these guys (roland or drifting) is an inherent idiot, imo... they just put blinders on when it comes to ron paul.
    "Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."

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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    is it just me...

    or does Ron Paul look like Ross Perot with smaller ears?
  • not to mention the naivete' demonstrated in thinking that money doesn't = influence.

    neither of these guys (roland or drifting) is an inherent idiot, imo... they just put blinders on when it comes to ron paul.
    Again, back to what the man said directly, what about all the special interest money that EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE ACCEPTS?
    All the oil money, the money from the military-industrial folks, the corporatists, the NWO elite, the globalists, the envrionmental destructivists, etc?
    Isn't that morally reprehensible as well? Should Rockerfeller and Murdoch have their contributions returned?
    Should huckabee return EVERY DOLLAR from EVERY SUPPORTER who hates gay people and wants gay marriage banned?
    What about every other racist, biggot, isolationist, xenophobe, sexist, etc that contributes to ANY candidate?

    So answer it.
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  • sweetpotatosweetpotato Posts: 1,278
    my2hands wrote:
    is it just me...

    or does Ron Paul look like Ross Perot with smaller ears?

    careful now...

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  • neither of these guys (roland or drifting) is an inherent idiot, imo... they just put blinders on when it comes to ron paul.


    Not as much as you're do with promoting Edwards. I mean that's textbook.

    If supporting a guy that is promoting more power to the people is putting blinders on then pass em over I'll take a few pairs...

    But you can vote for your same ol same ol establishment jockey and pretend you're doing the right thing somehow. The difference is I'm putting my own blinders on...the gov't is putting yours on for you and patting you on the head afterwards.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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