Senate set to pass minors abortion bill

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  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    Milhouse VanHouten wrote:
    It is an abortion issue. 16-year old girls aren't asking their aunts or grandparents to take them across state lines so they can get appendectomies.

    Totally. And why do you think that is, eh?
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  • Bu$chlager
    Bu$chlager Posts: 500
    VictoryGin wrote:
    I don't care if the parents don't take a minor. Again, when the parents aren't there, there is always a good reason. I hope she goes with someone she trusts. It's her choice.

    It's nice that you're willing to make a rediculous generalization to justify your arguement, but it just doesn't fly with me. There is NO WAY that every single girl who gets pregnant and tries to avoid letting her parents know is doing so because of incest and/or abuse. That's completely absurd.

    There are countless reasons why the girl could be pressured into going to such lengths, many of which include a sleazy boyfriend who wants to skirt all responsibilities for his actions. Other girls are emarrassed. Others are afraid of what people will think/say. A lot of kids worry about a lot of things, and when they finally come clean to their parents, it's never as bad as they had it in their head.

    To state as fact that it's "always a good reason" why a girl would hide a pregnancy just shows your complete lack of understanding of the issue.

    - Dan
  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    BUSH-lager wrote:
    To state as fact that it's "always a good reason" why a girl would hide a pregnancy just shows your complete lack of understanding of the issue.

    - Dan

    Oh yeah? I've worked in an abortion clinic for years. What about you?
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    VictoryGin wrote:
    Totally. And why do you think that is, eh?

    Because it would never occur to a child to hide an appendectomy from his/her parent.
  • Bu$chlager
    Bu$chlager Posts: 500
    VictoryGin wrote:
    Oh yeah? I've worked in an abortion clinic for years. What about you?

    LOL

    Why am I not surprised?

    Like I said, if it works to rationalize sweeping generalizations, and to state as fact things that any rational, unbiased person knows not to always be true, then fine. Go for it.

    But don't expect people not to call you on it.

    - Dan
  • MCG
    MCG Posts: 780
    VictoryGin wrote:
    I used a word from your post. You suggested that pregnant teens are idiots. Unless you were calling other people idiots? Please do correct me if I'm wrong about who you were calling an idiot. Don't dish it out and whine about it when you get a taste.

    Whatever dude, "there's an idiot born every minute" is just a saying, more like just something I threw in there for effect, not something to be taken literally. My point is calling other posters names when you disagree with their opinion is hardly productive or appropriate. Please try to respect your fellow posters even if you disagree with what they said is all I'm saying.
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  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    VictoryGin wrote:
    It could be the woman's grandparents, aunt, uncle, cousin, brother, sister, other trusted adult, etc. It could also be a social worker.

    I wouldn't call this person a 'child' either. She clearly gets her period. She may be a minor in regards to the law, but she's not a child.

    agreed.
    even as a legal minor, she should be afforded the right to choice in this, even if her parents would disapprove/say no. however, i simply think the government should not be regulating this at all.

    VictoryGin wrote:
    I can see that working really well when it's the dad who knocked her up. Or the parent who will 'get mad' and beat her.

    In my experience, most minors bring parents. The ones who don't, have a very good reason.

    exactly.
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  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    BUSH-lager wrote:
    LOL

    Why am I not surprised?

    Like I said, if it works to rationalize sweeping generalizations, and to state as fact things that any rational, unbiased person knows not to always be true, then fine. Go for it.

    But don't expect people not to call you on it.

    - Dan

    I was speaking from experience with actual women who have been through this. Which "facts" are you using?
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  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    MCG wrote:
    Whatever dude, "there's an idiot born every minute" is just a saying, more like just something I threw in there for effect, not something to be taken literally. My point is calling other posters names when you disagree with their opinion is hardly productive or appropriate. Please try to respect your fellow posters even if you disagree with what they said is all I'm saying.

    Oh I wasn't calling you a name. It was just something I threw in for effect.
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  • sourdough
    sourdough Posts: 579
    The scary thing is that girls are getting their period earlier and earlier. At what point do they stop being children? Does their period mark that end? There are more and more frequent instances of girls getting their period at 8 years old.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    decides2dream wrote:
    even as a legal minor, she should be afforded the right to choice in this, even if her parents would disapprove/say no. however, i simply think the government should not be regulating this at all.

    I certainly agree with all of this.
    decides2dream wrote:
    exactly.

    Do you honestly believe that every minor in an abortion clinic who is not accompanied by a parent is doing so because the pregnancy is the result of incest or they would be beaten if the parent found out?
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    decides2dream wrote:
    agreed.
    even as a legal minor, she should be afforded the right to choice in this, even if her parents would disapprove/say no. however, i simply think the government should not be regulating this at all.

    This is actually just a question, but do you think this should be the case for all medical procedures including cosmetic?
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Milhouse VanHouten wrote:
    It is an abortion issue. 16-year old girls aren't asking their aunts or grandparents to take them across state lines so they can get appendectomies.
    So is abortion the only health issue you are going to take away from the people legally responsible? Where else in my family's life do you feel you should have the right to take over responsibility? The issue has nothing to do with abortion, abortion is just the poster child.

    It took me a four year court battle just to get legal responsibility for my child. I'll be fucked if you think I'm gladly handing that over to anyone for any reason. Stay the fuck out of family's lives. Period. Raise your kid how you want within the boundaries of the law. I'll do the same. You have not a clue as to what's best for my or any child but your own.
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  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    surferdude wrote:
    So is abortion the only health issue you are going to take away from the people legally responsible? Where else in my family's life do you feel you should have the right to take over responsibility? The issue has nothing to do with abortion, it's just the poster child.

    Is abortion the only health issue you are going to try to legislate for others?
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  • 1970RR
    1970RR Posts: 281
    surferdude wrote:
    So is abortion the only health issue you are going to take away from the people legally responsible? Where else in my family's life do you feel you should have the right to take over responsibility? The issue has nothing to do with abortion, abortion is just the poster child.

    It took me a four year court battle just to get legal responsibility for my child. I'll be fucked if you think I'm gladly handing that over to anyone for any reason. Stay the fuck out of family's lives. Period. Raise your kid how you want within the boundaries of the law. I'll do the same. You have not a clue as to what's best for my or any child but your own.
    How do you feel about the judge that ordered a 16 year old to undergo chemotherapy against his and his parents wishes?
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    VictoryGin wrote:
    Is abortion the only health issue you are going to try to legislate for others?
    I'd be happy with a common sense law that said that accept in cases of emergency that no one other than a legal gaurdian can take a minor in for any medical procedure.
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  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    1970RR wrote:
    How do you feel about the judge that ordered a 16 year old to undergo chemotherapy against his and his parents wishes?
    It's wrong. The family made a choice that would be legal for an adult to make. The judge should stay out of the family's life. Same goes if the case was a minor with parental support not wanting a blood transfusion for religious reasons. I may not agree with the parents decision, but I will respect it.
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  • sourdough
    sourdough Posts: 579
    surferdude wrote:
    I'd be happy with a common sense law that said that accept in cases of emergency that no one other than a legal gaurdian can take a minor in for any medical procedure.

    I'd agree with this. If social services removed the child from the parent's care than that is another story, but if the state deems the parents to be legal guardians and therefore competent to make decisions for the minor, than it is the parents perogative.
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    sourdough wrote:
    I'd agree with this. If social services removed the child from the parent's care than that is another story, but if the state deems the parents to be legal guardians and therefore competent to make decisions for the minor, than it is the parents perogative.
    Thank you. What's the point of being a legal guardian if in the end it has no meaning, that the responsibility can be usurped by anyone.
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  • Bu$chlager
    Bu$chlager Posts: 500
    VictoryGin wrote:
    I was speaking from experience with actual women who have been through this. Which "facts" are you using?

    I'm not doubting your experience. I'm calling you on your statements. You are generalizing, and stating things that you cannot possibly prove.

    Even if by same unbelievable string of coincidences, every single underage girl you knew from your work at the clinic was there trying to escape future incest and/or beatings, this doesn't afford you the right to state that EVERY girl does so for such a reason. This is basic logic.

    I may seem like I'm nit-picking, but I generally find that those who make sweeping and false generalizations on which to base their arguement, are standing on pretty weak ground.

    But hey, that's just "my experiences."

    - Dan

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