Senate set to pass minors abortion bill
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Senate set to pass minors abortion bill
Measure punishes those who help girls cross state lines for procedure
CAPITOL HILL - The Senate today is expected approve a bill that punishes anyone who helps a girl cross state lines to obtain an abortion without notifying her parents.
The House passed the measure last year.
Opponents say the bill cuts off an escape route for pregnant teens with abusive parents and punishes those who might try to help the youngsters.
California Democrat Dianne Feinstein says she'll introduce an amendment to protect confidants from prosecution.
Polls suggest widespread public backing for the bill. Nearly three-quarters of respondents say a parent has the right to give consent before a child under 18 has an abortion.
There are no reliable figures on how many girls try to cross state lines to end pregnancies to circumvent parental notification and consent laws back home.
Measure punishes those who help girls cross state lines for procedure
CAPITOL HILL - The Senate today is expected approve a bill that punishes anyone who helps a girl cross state lines to obtain an abortion without notifying her parents.
The House passed the measure last year.
Opponents say the bill cuts off an escape route for pregnant teens with abusive parents and punishes those who might try to help the youngsters.
California Democrat Dianne Feinstein says she'll introduce an amendment to protect confidants from prosecution.
Polls suggest widespread public backing for the bill. Nearly three-quarters of respondents say a parent has the right to give consent before a child under 18 has an abortion.
There are no reliable figures on how many girls try to cross state lines to end pregnancies to circumvent parental notification and consent laws back home.
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- Dan
Are you implying that this would be appropriate? That this makes it okay?
For a young male, presumably also a minor, but maybe not, fleeing the girls home state without letting her parents know, do get a procedure as serious as an abortion?
Do you care at all for this poor young girls safety?
Do you care at all for her health and well being?
Do you care whether or not she is informed, or at least has received a few words from someone with perhaps a tad more wisdom than the male minor who knocked her up?
I apologize if you are not in fact disagreeing with me, as I wasn't toally clear on your post, but I get the vibe that you are oppossed to the law. Again, I am Pro-Choice, so it's not an issue of getting the abortion for me, it's just a common sense issue that things of this nature should not be allowed to happen.
- Dan
Ok. Does this somehow make it ok???
I have not formed a clear opinion on abortion so I am kind of impartial on this subject. I think that rape victims should be alowed to have one, however I get mad when I hear that some young girl has had 3 already. There is no need for this if you take the pill or use condoms. I think these type of girls really just don't see the moral issue, and by forcing them to notify the parents something might be done....For example the parents could start buying her condoms or the pill and then she can be worry free from then on.
So to sum up this rambling...It seems like this law does not limit whether or not she can have an abortion, just that she has to let her parents know and that in most cases this is a good thing (although I'm sure they will get mad, but it's a good way to increase awareness on the issue).
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...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Second, how is a married girl under 18 treated under this law?
It could be the woman's grandparents, aunt, uncle, cousin, brother, sister, other trusted adult, etc. It could also be a social worker.
I wouldn't call this person a 'child' either. She clearly gets her period. She may be a minor in regards to the law, but she's not a child.
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Yeah, and I just read a post by one.
Birth control isn't 100% effective. Also, abstinence-only education doesn't help teens in regards to birth control options.
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I can see that working really well when it's the dad who knocked her up. Or the parent who will 'get mad' and beat her.
In my experience, most minors bring parents. The ones who don't, have a very good reason.
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Again, how does this necessarily justify the action? If my 15 year-old neice asked me to take her across a state line to have an abortion without the knowledge of her mother and father, I would never be comfortable doing it.
If you're going to play it that way, you better be ok if a parent decides to completely cut off the person from any financial support.
I'm not defending this law. I don't think such a law should exist. But a person who takes a child to get a medical procedure without informing that child's parents is choosing a very questionable route.
The last thing I have time for today is to go through some unnecessarily long drawn-out circle of reasoning with you.
That's great if you won't be comfortable with it, but I hope the hypothetical niece finds someone who would.
I don't care if the parents don't take a minor. Again, when the parents aren't there, there is always a good reason. I hope she goes with someone she trusts. It's her choice.
cross the river to the eastside
Thanks for taking it to a personal level as opposed to constructive discussion.
the bad idea or me befallen by it?
For all you people who think it's okay for people other than parents to be making medical decisions for their children, please start sending child support now. Because if you want to have the responsibility for making medical decisions then you can also have the fiscal responsibility for raising the kid.
Why is it so hard for others to keep their noses out of family affairs?
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There's no need to involve me. You may ask those questions to yourself.
I would hope that my hypothetical niece would discuss the issue with her parents. And if she came to me about it, I would give her exactly that advice along with any additional thoughts I wished to provide on the situation.
A scared child who wishes to hide her responsibility is not a "good reason". Such an event would be common in between the extreme examples of children with abusive parents.
It is her choice. And it is the choice of anyone who wishes to participate in the action. As I said, I would not support legislation that eliminates that choice. But I would support an honest questioning of the motives and reasoning of someone who believes that a parent should not be informed of such large decisions that a child is making.
This is where I always find the sticking point on this issue (and one that is not brought up enough).
It is an abortion issue. 16-year old girls aren't asking their aunts or grandparents to take them across state lines so they can get appendectomies.
I used a word from your post. You suggested that pregnant teens are idiots. Unless you were calling other people idiots? Please do correct me if I'm wrong about who you were calling an idiot. Don't dish it out and whine about it when you get a taste.
Here's your post:
Good law, young girls need to know that abortion is NOT to be viewed as a form of birth control. For FUCK's SAKE (pardon my language) use a condom!There are so many forms of birth control out there that you wouldn't think abortion would even need to be an option but I guess there's an idiot born every minute. I have no problem with abortion being used under certain circumstances but minors need to get the notion that they can have unprotected sex and then just get an abortion out of their heads.
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Totally. And why do you think that is, eh?
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It's nice that you're willing to make a rediculous generalization to justify your arguement, but it just doesn't fly with me. There is NO WAY that every single girl who gets pregnant and tries to avoid letting her parents know is doing so because of incest and/or abuse. That's completely absurd.
There are countless reasons why the girl could be pressured into going to such lengths, many of which include a sleazy boyfriend who wants to skirt all responsibilities for his actions. Other girls are emarrassed. Others are afraid of what people will think/say. A lot of kids worry about a lot of things, and when they finally come clean to their parents, it's never as bad as they had it in their head.
To state as fact that it's "always a good reason" why a girl would hide a pregnancy just shows your complete lack of understanding of the issue.
- Dan
Oh yeah? I've worked in an abortion clinic for years. What about you?
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Because it would never occur to a child to hide an appendectomy from his/her parent.
LOL
Why am I not surprised?
Like I said, if it works to rationalize sweeping generalizations, and to state as fact things that any rational, unbiased person knows not to always be true, then fine. Go for it.
But don't expect people not to call you on it.
- Dan
Whatever dude, "there's an idiot born every minute" is just a saying, more like just something I threw in there for effect, not something to be taken literally. My point is calling other posters names when you disagree with their opinion is hardly productive or appropriate. Please try to respect your fellow posters even if you disagree with what they said is all I'm saying.
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agreed.
even as a legal minor, she should be afforded the right to choice in this, even if her parents would disapprove/say no. however, i simply think the government should not be regulating this at all.
exactly.
Let's just breathe...
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I was speaking from experience with actual women who have been through this. Which "facts" are you using?
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Oh I wasn't calling you a name. It was just something I threw in for effect.
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