White Supremacist groups on the rise in U.S.

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  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It all seems pretty ironic to me. Flee europe from the crusades, then come to the americas and kill everything here. Then invade Canada. My family came over to pennsylvania during the crusades, then during the american revolution fled to Canada, then ended up having to fight the US in the war of 1812. Just couldn't escape the violence.
    Is that what they teach you about American history in the great white north? Or is that just your own twisted take?
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    zstillings wrote:
    Thank you.
    Not a problem. Would you like me to put you in touch with some people to celebrate with?
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    RainDog wrote:
    Not a problem. Would you like me to put you in touch with some people to celebrate with?
    Do they wear hoods?
  • rigneyclan
    rigneyclan Posts: 289
    onelongsong wrote:
    the american indian was the most oppressed in the history of the us. not only did we treat them as sub human; we recorded history to make them look like the aggressors. remember wounded knee? what we did to the american indian was dispicable. i sell all my buffalo meat and hides to american indians at cost in a way to say i'm sorry for what happened. and my family didn't immigrate here until the early 1900's. there was enough land for everyone. we had no right to slaughter them.

    I agree 100%

    I think it's sad to see Native American tribes having to resort to opening a casino just so they can support themselves nowadays.

    What the US government did should never be forgotten, and we will never be able to fully repay them for all the pain and suffering we have caused their people, but what you are doing is very kind and generous, thank you.
    7/16/06 7/18/06
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Last Exodus wrote:
    Is that what they teach you about American history in the great white north? Or is that just your own twisted take?

    Dude, that's what happened.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It all seems pretty ironic to me. Flee europe from the crusades, then come to the americas and kill everything here. Then invade Canada. My family came over to pennsylvania during the crusades, then during the american revolution fled to Canada, then ended up having to fight the US in the war of 1812. Just couldn't escape the violence.

    I don't mean to be picky but the crusades occurred between 1095-1291. Pennsylvania wasn't settled by Europeans till about 1680 when King Charles II granted the land to William Penn. There is about a 400 years discrepency there
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    RainDog wrote:
    Not a problem. Would you like me to put you in touch with some people to celebrate with?

    It's okay. I like to celebrate alone. Comments like the one below you show that there's too much racism in this country to not be publicly oppressed as a white man in this country today.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    mammasan wrote:
    I don't mean to be picky but the crusades occurred between 1095-1291. Pennsylvania wasn't settled by Europeans till about 1680 when King Charles II granted the land to William Penn. There is about a 400 years discrepency there

    I'm refering to the northern crusades, and obviously there was significant time between the events. But again, we are talking about shit that happened generations ago. There is again a few generations between when my family (Casper Schürch) settled in Pennsylvania and the War of 1812. But I'm guessing you know that.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    rigneyclan wrote:
    I agree 100%

    I think it's sad to see Native American tribes having to resort to opening a casino just so they can support themselves nowadays.

    What the US government did should never be forgotten, and we will never be able to fully repay them for all the pain and suffering we have caused their people, but what you are doing is very kind and generous, thank you.

    i'm one of those nuts that believes in the indian ways. take only what you need and use everything.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    mammasan wrote:
    Just because they are the majority doesn't mean that they are the only one's that are the problem. Second hispanics don't expect or demand that they be catered to as far as language. Yes there are those that refuse to learn the language just like there are other people from other walks of life who come here and refuse to learn the language. Don't make it seem like hispanics are the only ones that come here and refuse to learn English. None of the reasons you gave justifies hispanics being singled out.

    i didn't mean to imply justification. i'm just repeating what i've heard in an attempt to understand.
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Dude, that's what happened.
    Just like the Crusades of 1600's happened too>?
  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,825
    cincybearcat wrote:
    That's not entirely true. There are plenty of scholarships that do not take financial need in to consideration but they do take color. So a rich balck kid gets the $ while the poor white kid wors at McD's.

    I also think your second statement is part of the problem. I'm a white male and I'm no king. You are trying to make up for crap in the past by harming people that had nothing to do with any of it.

    the poor white kid was born with an advantage over the rich black kid.

    in the 50s, the black man had less of a chance to get rich. the white man had all the advantages.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    the poor white kid was born with an advantage over the rich black kid.

    in the 50s, the black man had less of a chance to get rich. the white man had all the advantages.

    50 years ago was a long time. why not piss and moan over what happened a few hundred years ago. crying over the past keeps us from solving the problems of the present. we shouldn't forget what happened but why cry over it. put the past behind you and move forward.
    i'm willing to bet you weren't even alive in the 50's so what's your problem with it?
  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,825
    onelongsong wrote:
    50 years ago was a long time. why not piss and moan over what happened a few hundred years ago. crying over the past keeps us from solving the problems of the present. we shouldn't forget what happened but why cry over it. put the past behind you and move forward.
    i'm willing to bet you weren't even alive in the 50's so what's your problem with it?

    my problem is I hate injustice, and its not always easy for those involved to forgive and forget.

    Much of my family perished in the Nazi Holocaust.....my generation of the family all have good lives, we have moved forward, but we will never put the past behind us.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Last Exodus wrote:
    Just like the Crusades of 1600's happened too>?

    I don't think so, but possibly. Depends on how you define "Crusades" the War on Terror is commonly considered to be a "Crusade" called "the Tenth Crusade"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Crusade
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I don't think so, but possibly. Depends on how you define "Crusades" the War on Terror is commonly considered to be a "Crusade" called "the Tenth Crusade"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Crusade

    That is the biggest load of crap I've ever heard.

    It is not "commonly considered" to be a crusade at all. That is total hogwash and cannot be proven at all. The article you cited says nothing but some dude's opinion and an artistic rendition of Bush as a Knight of the Templar.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    That is the biggest load of crap I've ever heard.

    It is not "commonly considered" to be a crusade at all. That is total hogwash and cannot be proven at all. The article you cited says nothing but some dude's opinion and an artistic rendition of Bush as a Knight of the Templar.

    US President George W. Bush, from a press conference upon arrival at the South Lawn of the White House, September 16, 2001.
    "We need to go back to work tomorrow and we will. But we need to be alert to the fact that these evil-doers still exist. We haven't seen this kind of barbarism in a long period of time. No one could have conceivably imagined suicide bombers burrowing into our society and then emerging all in the same day to fly their aircraft — fly U.S. aircraft into buildings full of innocent people — and show no remorse. This is a new kind of — a new kind of evil. And we understand. And the American people are beginning to understand. This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while. And the American people must be patient. I'm going to be patient. But I can assure the American people I am determined, I'm not going to be distracted, I will keep my focus to make sure that not only are these brought to justice, but anybody who's been associated will be brought to justice. Those who harbor terrorists will be brought to justice. It is time for us to win the first war of the 21st century decisively, so that our children and our grandchildren can live peacefully into the 21st century."

    US President George W. Bush, from a rally for the troops in Alaska, February 16, 2002.
    "I want to tell you something, we've got no better friends than Canada. (Applause.) They stand with us in this incredibly important crusade to defend freedom, this campaign to do what is right for our children and our grandchildren."

    Alexander Cockburn, "The Tenth Crusade," Counterpunch, September 7, 2002.
    "Islamic fanatics flew those planes a year ago and here we are with a terrifying alliance of Judaeo-Christian fanatics, conjoined in their dreams of the recovery of the Holy Lands of the West Bank, Judaea and Samaria. War on Terror? It's back to the late thirteenth century, picking up where Prince Edward left off with his ninth crusade after St Louis had died in Tunis with the word Jerusalem on his lips."

    James Pinkerton, "Century In, Century Out - It's Crusade Time," Newsday, December 4, 2003.
    "And now, in 2003, the Americans, the Twelfth Crusaders. The West is no longer 'Christendom,' but we, as first cousins to the Europeans, retain the old faith and bring new kinds of idealism, such as democracy and human rights. But the Crusader spirit is still there; it's still about bringing civilization and salvation of a backward people. As the born-again George W. Bush says, 'This is about good vs. evil.'"
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I don't think so, but possibly. Depends on how you define "Crusades" the War on Terror is commonly considered to be a "Crusade" called "the Tenth Crusade"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Crusade

    Being considered a crusade by a handfull of people does not equate to being commonly known.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    mammasan wrote:
    Being considered a crusade by a handfull of people does not equate to being commonly known.

    What definition are you using?

    belonging to or shared by two or more individuals or things or by all members of a group <a common friend> <buried in a common grave> b: belonging equally to two or more mathematical entities <triangles with a common base> c: having two or more branches <common carotid artery>
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    Ahnimus wrote:
    What definition are you using?

    belonging to or shared by two or more individuals or things or by all members of a group <a common friend> <buried in a common grave> b: belonging equally to two or more mathematical entities <triangles with a common base> c: having two or more branches <common carotid artery>

    LAST TIME I CHECKED THE CRUSADES WAS A JESUS THING. NOT A GEORGE BUSH THING

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