St. Louis woman shoots husband dead for giving her warm beer

Uncle Leo

miller8966 wrote:

If you limit guns than you should limit freedom of speech

Like yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater?

Uncle Leo

mammasan wrote:

I believe a line should be drawn. Hunting rifles and hand guns should be allowed but there is definetly no need for people to have an arsenal of full automatic weapons. You are not going to use an AK-47 or an UZI to hunt dear. Like I said I don't like them but their arepeople out there who are responsible adults and they should have the right to own a gun if they so please. I do believe that prior to getting your permit, I don't know if this is already in place, you should have to attend a fire arms safety course to educate yourself on the safe handling and storage of these weapons and of course an in-depth back ground check. A psycholigical examination wouldn't hurt either.

Very well. That is probably where I think the line should be drawn too.

miller8966

Uncle Leo wrote:

Should you be able to have a tank or a nuclear missle? Some people have huge property and could probably afford it. Conventional missle anyway.

Yes you should be able too.

mammasan

Uncle Leo wrote:

Very well. That is probably where I think the line should be drawn too.

My cousin is an avid hunter. He has his two or three hunting rifles and keeps them locked away in his garage where his kids have no chance of getting to them. I don't necessarily agree with hunting but my opinion shouldn't be forced on everyone. I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to own his weapons and enjoy his past time.

mammasan

miller8966 wrote:

Yes you should be able too.

Shit if any average joe can own and operate their own missle silo than why can't countries like North Korea and Iran. I had some neighbors with a lot of land and trust me I wouldn't feel safe at night knowing that he had low yield mega-ton warhead under his kids swing set or an Abrams parked in his garage.

chopitdown

soulsinging wrote:

yes, there will be a lag. but as police confiscate some, some break down from poor care, some are lost, etc, the numbers would even out. right now we're keeping a fresh IV of cheap, deadly weapons flowing into our urban streets and to deny that that plays HUGE part in the fact that we have the most dangerous large cities in the world is insane.

I agree there is a huge pipeline of illegal guns into our urban areas and that should be stopped. But it goes back to economics in some way, the reason there is the influx of guns is b/c money can be made on them. People are always looking for a way to get ahead and it's no surprise that some turn to crime for whatever reason.

Would you hazard a guess at how long that lag would take? I honestly have no idea. I also know that if I owned a gun, I would have a hard time turning mine in if they were outlawed b/c i know that now I'm defenseless against the people that don't turn there's in (which I'll make an assumption that most criminals aren't going to turn theirs in).
The only way to truly get the lag to shorten would be to make the penalty for owning a gun so heinous and justice so swift that people would want to turn them in.

soulsinging

miller8966 wrote:

Yes you should be able too.

at least you're consistent. but like the other guy said, how come you're supportive of any backwoods yokel in the US owning their own nuclear weapon but not iran or north korea? they're both equally dangerous.

El_Kabong

comebackgirl wrote:

Hey - I would do the same if someone messed with my diet coke

ugh, doncha know what aspartame does to you???

soulsinging

chopitdown wrote:

I agree there is a huge pipeline of illegal guns into our urban areas and that should be stopped. But it goes back to economics in some way, the reason there is the influx of guns is b/c money can be made on them. People are always looking for a way to get ahead and it's no surprise that some turn to crime for whatever reason.

Would you hazard a guess at how long that lag would take? I honestly have no idea. I also know that if I owned a gun, I would have a hard time turning mine in if they were outlawed b/c i know that now I'm defenseless against the people that don't turn there's in (which I'll make an assumption that most criminals aren't going to turn theirs in).
The only way to truly get the lag to shorten would be to make the penalty for owning a gun so heinous and justice so swift that people would want to turn them in.

no, i dont know enough about guns to know how long they would last, nor about police confiscation rates. perhaps the rule could be simply you cannot sell them anymore. the people that have them can keep them. that would benefit current gun owners becos the responsible ones will take better care of their guns anyway and not have them taken by police. then the balance would shift and criminals would be the losers. then we could rethink our policies. but i think right now it's kinda like treating a fever... starve it. cut the supply off, let the culture absorb what's out there, then we can work on a sensible way to sell them and better control who gets them.

chopitdown

soulsinging wrote:

no, i dont know enough about guns to know how long they would last, nor about police confiscation rates. perhaps the rule could be simply you cannot sell them anymore. the people that have them can keep them. that would benefit current gun owners becos the responsible ones will take better care of their guns anyway and not have them taken by police. then the balance would shift and criminals would be the losers. then we could rethink our policies. but i think right now it's kinda like treating a fever... starve it. cut the supply off, let the culture absorb what's out there, then we can work on a sensible way to sell them and better control who gets them.

I guess other side of the coin is, can you imagine the opposition? I mean you have a very dedicated group of responsible gun-owners that would be screaming discrimination. Maybe one thing we can do is severly limit the places you can buy guns. Have one or 2 gun shops in the city where people have to go, that way it's much easier to regulate than having every walmart, kmart, etc.. selling them. If we couple that with the background checks on people, maybe that would help. That way we are starving the fever somewhat and we're able to still sell guns legally. I don't know though.

jlew24asu

chopitdown wrote:

I guess other side of the coin is, can you imagine the opposition? I mean you have a very dedicated group of responsible gun-owners that would be screaming discrimination. Maybe one thing we can do is severly limit the places you can buy guns. Have one or 2 gun shops in the city where people have to go, that way it's much easier to regulate than having every walmart, kmart, etc.. selling them. If we couple that with the background checks on people, maybe that would help. That way we are starving the fever somewhat and we're able to still sell guns legally. I don't know though.

great discussion going on over here....

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=225210

soulsinging

chopitdown wrote:

I guess other side of the coin is, can you imagine the opposition? I mean you have a very dedicated group of responsible gun-owners that would be screaming discrimination. Maybe one thing we can do is severly limit the places you can buy guns. Have one or 2 gun shops in the city where people have to go, that way it's much easier to regulate than having every walmart, kmart, etc.. selling them. If we couple that with the background checks on people, maybe that would help. That way we are starving the fever somewhat and we're able to still sell guns legally. I don't know though.

oh, im well aware this is a pipe dream there is a very strong gun lobby and a lot of money on that side. the first step is shifting public sentiment against that side. trouble is, those people will still scream bloody murder about even sensible restrictions. if you suggest not allowing walmart to sell guns, they have info chains (like bill o'reilly) to publish inflammatory stories about how you're trying to take guns away from law-abiding citizens and give them to criminals.

im all for limiting the access to them. specific stores, extensive backgrounds checks, needing a license with safety courses to purchase, but all of this would stir people up. it's really ironic. if you mention it, these people talk about how the government is tracking your guns so they can take them away from you whenever they want, then accuse the other side of being paranoid about having their phone calls tapped without a warrant. licensed gun owners is clearly big brother, but phone taps are just good measures for government keeping us safe.

RavennaSeattle1911

theres nothing like a warm beer on a cold night while the couple in the apartment below is in jail or gone after fighting for years and years and you had to hear it

what a sick world

Scubascott

dunkman1974 wrote:

stupid and oft-used argument.


you can't kill someone with a bat... it'll take years for it to suck all the blood out of a person... unless its Dracula

HA! One of your best dunkman!

Scubascott

mammasan wrote:

I do believe in the Constitution & the Bill of Rights and people have a right to own them. I can't pick and choose what parts or amendments are ok and which one's aren't. I either support it as a whole or I don't.

Huh? Why? Do you feel the same way about the bible?

Scubascott

mammasan wrote:

I believe a line should be drawn. Hunting rifles and hand guns should be allowed

Why handguns? Apart from target shooting, I really can't think of a good reason for anyone to own a handgun. Somebody give me one good reason.

HunterandHunted

Scubascott wrote:

Why handguns? Apart from target shooting, I really can't think of a good reason for anyone to own a handgun. Somebody give me one good reason.

Because they make you look big and clever and have the inimitable ability to bring a meandering argument to a conclusive end.

mammasan

Scubascott wrote:

Huh? Why? Do you feel the same way about the bible?

No.

mammasan

Scubascott wrote:

Why handguns? Apart from target shooting, I really can't think of a good reason for anyone to own a handgun. Somebody give me one good reason.

There are people who like to collect hand guns and antique hand guns as a hobby.