How much jail time for women who've had abortions?

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    jeanie jeanie jeanie, is that a youtube link i see? :(

    Little Shop of Horrors :)
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    catefrances wrote:
    jeanie jeanie jeanie, is that a youtube link i see? :(


    Sorry cate forgot.:o It's Rick Moranis and Audrey II singing Feed Me from Little Shop of Horrors. :)
    NOPE!!!

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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Little Shop of Horrors :)

    ta ryan. :)

    so tis audrey. i was thinking the flowers in wonderland. :)

    FEED ME SEYMOUR!!!!!
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    I like Steve Martin's role in that movie ;)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On3mrKW-Nk0
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  • Juberoo
    Juberoo Posts: 472
    Jeanie wrote:
    What about the kids?

    At some point I know I'd wanna know who my Daddy was and why he didn't love me. And quite frankly if Mummy's answer was gonna be "some asshole raped me when I was a girl but I couldn't bring myself to abort you" then I know I truly would wish she had.

    Here ya go JEANIE (sorry for the typo, I'm sure someone as advanced as you NEVER does that so I can imagine why it was such a source of irritation to your supreme intellect) this is the quote in which you referred to a father who makes the choice not to have a child as someone who doesn't love them. In contradiction to a woman who makes the choice not to have a child and aborts.
    Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.

    A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.

    Pro-life by choice.
  • Juberoo
    Juberoo Posts: 472
    Jeanie wrote:
    Well I've said that I don't think men should go to jail for being a dead beat dad. And not all women that have the "power" of life or death over the foetus exercise that right without attempting to find out and include the father's wishes in that decision. You're right it is sad, but what does it matter anyway?

    OH MY!!! A typo! It's FETUS not foetus.
    Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.

    A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.

    Pro-life by choice.
  • Juberoo
    Juberoo Posts: 472
    Ahnimus wrote:
    And what is a human?
    A human is a life form created by a distinct grouping of cells.
    Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.

    A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.

    Pro-life by choice.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Juberoo wrote:
    OH MY!!! A typo! It's FETUS not foetus.
    "Foetus" is the common British and Australian spelling. Jeanie is Australian.

    I'd have thought that anyone who had spent so much time reading the Australia/NewZealand Journal of Medicine would have known that.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Juberoo
    Juberoo Posts: 472
    onelongsong wrote:
    so by your deffinition; you're not a human when you're sleeping or in a coma.
    studies have shown awareness in the womb but if you want to dance around the tree with this feel free. if you cause a woman to miscarry in the first trimester you're being charged with murder. see the laci peterson law. only the woman can decide whether to execute the child.

    LOL! Love it! Could we include inebriated or stoned to the list of his definition? People in those conditions are generally not aware of whats going on either!
    Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.

    A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.

    Pro-life by choice.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Juberoo wrote:
    OH MY!!! A typo! It's FETUS not foetus.

    Actually it's both.


    http://m-w.com/medical/foetus
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Juberoo wrote:
    LOL! Love it! Could we include inebriated or stoned to the list of his definition? People in those conditions are generally not aware of whats going on either!
    But what they DO have is a functioning cerebral cortex, and central nervous system function. An adult without either is considered dead.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Juberoo wrote:
    LOL! Love it! Could we include inebriated or stoned to the list of his definition? People in those conditions are generally not aware of whats going on either!

    Go for it. It's still a strawman argument. It ignores the point and nitpicks at the details.

    Also, I'm always aware in those conditions. Only once did I black out. Too many Smirnoff Ice
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Juberoo
    Juberoo Posts: 472
    hippiemom wrote:
    But what they DO have is a functioning cerebral cortex, and central nervous system function. An adult without either is considered dead.

    Ummm...well actually, persons without a properly "functioning cerebral cortex and/or central nervous system" aren't always dead. Perhaps you have heard of persons in various degrees of a vegetative state. These persons cannot live without assistance either...should we abort them?

    Reference Terri Shiavo and others like her to understand how a damaged brain doesn't always mean death unless of course it was forced upon them!
    Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.

    A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.

    Pro-life by choice.
  • Juberoo
    Juberoo Posts: 472
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Go for it. It's still a strawman argument. It ignores the point and nitpicks at the details.

    Also, I'm always aware in those conditions. Only once did I black out. Too many Smirnoff Ice

    Talk about nitpicking at details....."it's just a clump of cells".
    Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.

    A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.

    Pro-life by choice.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Juberoo wrote:
    Ummm...well actually, persons without a properly "functioning cerebral cortex and/or central nervous system" aren't always dead. Perhaps you have heard of persons in various degrees of a vegetative state. These persons cannot live without assistance either...should we abort them?

    Reference Terri Shiavo and others like her to understand how a damaged brain doesn't always mean death unless of course it was forced upon them!
    It's not DEATH that was forced upon them, it was LIFE. Without the assistance of a bunch of machinery, they would die. As it is, you can't kill them .... you can only unplug them and allow nature to take it's course. Perfectly legal.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Juberoo
    Juberoo Posts: 472
    hippiemom wrote:
    It's not DEATH that was forced upon them, it was LIFE. Without the assistance of a bunch of machinery, they would die. As it is, you can't kill them .... you can only unplug them and allow nature to take it's course. Perfectly legal.

    When you have surgery you are assisted by "a bunch of machinery" or else you would die to. Is this forcing life on patients as well? By your definition it certainly is. So next time you have to be treated for an illness of that magnatude I am sure you will opt out of having them use "a bunch of machinery" so as not to "force life" upon you. Let
    "nature take its course! Perfectly legal."
    Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.

    A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.

    Pro-life by choice.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Juberoo wrote:
    Ummm...well actually, persons without a properly "functioning cerebral cortex and/or central nervous system" aren't always dead. Perhaps you have heard of persons in various degrees of a vegetative state. These persons cannot live without assistance either...should we abort them?

    Reference Terri Shiavo and others like her to understand how a damaged brain doesn't always mean death unless of course it was forced upon them!

    "Life" was forced on Terri Shiavo, not death. It was forced on her by a bunch of fundies who should have minded their own business.

    EDIT: Somehow my browser caused my reply to be delayed. Strange.
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I like Steve Martin's role in that movie ;)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On3mrKW-Nk0

    :D Classic stuff Ryan. Thanks. :)
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Juberoo wrote:
    When you have surgery you are assisted by "a bunch of machinery" or else you would die to. Is this forcing life on patients as well? By your definition it certainly is. So next time you have to be treated for an illness of that magnatude I am sure you will opt out of having them use "a bunch of machinery" so as not to "force life" upon you. Let
    "nature take its course! Perfectly legal."
    That was my CHOICE. Seeing as I do have a functioning cerebral cortex, I can make the choice whether or not to allow anyone to perform surgery on me. There is no force involved, I sign the consent form.

    I can assure you that when my cerebral cortex no longer functions, I will die. I had two attorneys help me to write my health care power of attorney to make absolutely certain that happens. That is one bullet-proof legal document, I will not under any circumstances be forced to live as a vegetable.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Juberoo wrote:
    Talk about nitpicking at details....."it's just a clump of cells".

    That's what it is.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire

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