Gunman kills many at Salt Lake City mall

Rushlimbo

Even a peaceful Mormon city cannot escape the wrath of the NRA.

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Shots fired at Salt Lake City mall
Gunman killed, police say; number of victims unknown
BREAKING NEWS
The Associated Press
Updated: 9:45 p.m. CT Feb 12, 2007
SALT LAKE CITY - A gunman entered a mall Monday night and shot several people before he was killed, police said.

"There have been multiple victims and there are some fatalities. ... I can't confirm the number," Salt Lake City police Detective Robin Snyder said in brief remarks outside Trolley Square.

"The suspect has been killed. He is no longer a threat," Snyder said.

The man entered the mall about 6:45 p.m. and began shooting randomly, she said.

The two-story mall, just southeast of downtown, is a refurbished old trolley barn, with a series of winding hallways and about 80 stores, including the Hard Rock Cafe and an Old Spaghetti Factory.

An antique-store owner, Barrett Dodds, 29, said he saw a man in a trench coat exchanging gunfire with a police officer outside a card store. The gunman was backed into a children's clothing store.

"I saw the cops go in the store. I saw the shooter go down," said Dodds, who watched from the second floor.


Barb McKeown, 60, of Washington, D.C., was in another antique shop when two frantic women ran in and reported gunshots.

"Then we heard shot after shot after shot — loud, loud, loud," said McKeown, who believes she heard approximately 20.

She and three other people hid under a store staircase until it was safe to leave.

"We live in Washington, D.C. We're used to gunshots," said McKeown, wrapped in a blanket across the street. "I thought I was coming home to safety city."

scot88

Rushlimbo wrote:

Even a peaceful Mormon city cannot escape the wrath of the NRA.

how did that article have anything to do with the NRA?

i'm assuming you were implying the connection between the nra supporting guns and the fact that the guy was using a gun. nice going, sherlock. did you come up with that all by yourself? what did the police use to take him out? bean bags?

sure, charlton heston is an insensitive prick (we've all seen bowling for columbine), but sometimes when someone breaks into your house, nothing sends the message quite like the crisp noise of a shotgun cocking. and if someone was assaluting your family, it's instant karma. i'd rather take him out than see him go to jail for 15 years then be released back into society.

ThumbingMyWay32

scot88 wrote:

how did that article have anything to do with the NRA?

i'm assuming you were implying the connection between the nra supporting guns and the fact that the guy was using a gun. nice going, sherlock. did you come up with that all by yourself? what did the police use to take him out? bean bags?

sure, charlton heston is an insensitive prick (we've all seen bowling for columbine), but sometimes when someone breaks into your house, nothing sends the message quite like the crisp noise of a shotgun cocking. and if someone was assaluting your family, it's instant karma. i'd rather take him out than see him go to jail for 15 years then be released back into society.

You're so insensative.

Rushlimbo

scot88 wrote:

how did that article have anything to do with the NRA?

i'm assuming you were implying the connection between the nra supporting guns and the fact that the guy was using a gun. nice going, sherlock. did you come up with that all by yourself? what did the police use to take him out? bean bags?.

See, you figured it out nicely by piecing it together. I guess I should be mad at the Grammy Awards or something according to many rightwing nutjobs on here tonight.

soulsinging

humans are over-populated. more guns i say. plus, you get enough in the wrong hands and maybe some of the more stupid elements of our society will start killing each other off. i miss the days when a bar brawl could legally be settled by a standoff on the street. we'd have a lot fewer bush-loving rednecks that way.

Rushlimbo

soulsinging wrote:

humans are over-populated. more guns i say. plus, you get enough in the wrong hands and maybe some of the more stupid elements of our society will start killing each other off. i miss the days when a bar brawl could legally be settled by a standoff on the street. we'd have a lot fewer bush-loving rednecks that way.

Amen to that.

dunkman

wasnt there 4 killed in Philadelphia the other day as well?

10 in a week... thats quite impressive, well done to the crazy fuckheads :cool:


btw i love this line ""The suspect has been killed. He is no longer a threat," Snyder said...... you dont say! :rolleyes:

even flow?

Sure humans kill humans. But the fact that said human has no problem getting the gun may just be a problem that you people who defend the right to bear arms seem to overlook.

And some people can see the problem with Russia supposedly arming all your bad foes. But arming a tool in your own society just goes by the wayside. Nice!

miller8966

Imagine if everyone in the store had a gun?

dunkman

miller8966 wrote:

Imagine if everyone in the store had a gun?

imagine if nobody did

moho

dunkman wrote:

imagine if nobody did

Exactly, well said

UKDave

miller8966 wrote:

Imagine if everyone in the store had a gun?

Then it escalates and people want better, faster killing machines... it's a nonsense argument...

western pearl

Let's say for a moment that all the guns in the world magically dissappear. Imagine that for a second. No more violence, no more shooting, no more crime... oh wait, what? There would still be crime? People would still kill each other? They would probably make homemade guns anyway? Man, i didn't even realize that crime and killing would still be very prevalent w/o guns. But hey, nobody would get shot, right? They'd just get stabbed a bunch of times. Hmmm, while they're at it, they should ban kitchen knives too.

soulsinging

western pearl wrote:

Let's say for a moment that all the guns in the world magically dissappear. Imagine that for a second. No more violence, no more shooting, no more crime... oh wait, what? There would still be crime? People would still kill each other? They would probably make homemade guns anyway? Man, i didn't even realize that crime and killing would still be very prevalent w/o guns. But hey, nobody would get shot, right? They'd just get stabbed a bunch of times. Hmmm, while they're at it, they should ban kitchen knives too.

if someone can stab you to death without you doing anything about it, you're too weak to live. someone can gun you down without you ever even seeing them or having a chance to defend yourself. at least with a knife you've got a fighting chance. shooters are pussies.

MakingWaves

I'm just glad it didn't happen in the South so I don't have to hear ignorant people say things about the South.

inmytree

western pearl wrote:

Let's say for a moment that all the guns in the world magically dissappear. Imagine that for a second. No more violence, no more shooting, no more crime... oh wait, what? There would still be crime? People would still kill each other? They would probably make homemade guns anyway? Man, i didn't even realize that crime and killing would still be very prevalent w/o guns. But hey, nobody would get shot, right? They'd just get stabbed a bunch of times. Hmmm, while they're at it, they should ban kitchen knives too.

great point, I've always been a strong believer that we should be giving guns to children, and be teaching them about guns from kindergarden on up...after all, guns are safe and fun...we all know that guns don't kill people, people kill people...

if everyone had guns the world would be a safer place....just imagine, somebody cuts me off when driving, ratta ta ta ta with my gat, and no more problems....

dunkman

western pearl wrote:

There would still be crime? People would still kill each other? They would probably make homemade guns anyway?

there would have been no columbine
no amish killings
no mall killings yesterday
there would not be 10+ kids killed per week in the States alone



of course people would still kill each other and of course they would use knives.... but as Soulsinging said... if someone stabbed me with a knife then at least i could fight that person off.. if he shot me in the face with a gun i doubt i would be able to throw a punch.. i could maybe throw some brains at him, but i'm not sure.


stupid stupid argument used by stupid stupid people

UKDave

western pearl wrote:

Let's say for a moment that all the guns in the world magically dissappear. Imagine that for a second. No more violence, no more shooting, no more crime... oh wait, what? There would still be crime? People would still kill each other? They would probably make homemade guns anyway? Man, i didn't even realize that crime and killing would still be very prevalent w/o guns. But hey, nobody would get shot, right? They'd just get stabbed a bunch of times. Hmmm, while they're at it, they should ban kitchen knives too.

:rolleyes: here we go again... nobody is saying it will totally eradicate crime of course it won't, knives have another function however, guns don't and therefore need much tighter control...

macgyver06

the news sucks you all in don't they... this is clearly not a major problem..so why not just let it rest??

korea did something much more important yesterday.

western pearl

dunkman wrote:

there would have been columbine
no amish killings
no mall killings yesterday
there would not be 10+ kids killed per week in the States alone



of course people would still kill each other and of course they would use knives.... but as Soulsinging said... if someone stabbed me with a knife then at least i could fight that person off.. if he shot me in the face with a gun i doubt i would be able to throw a punch.. i could maybe throw some brains at him, but i'm not sure.


stupid stupid argument used by stupid stupid people

Calling me a stupid stupid person drives your point right home doesn't it? Real mature. So you really think that all of these large incidents wouldn't have happened if guns didn't exist? You don't think they would have found some other way? The columbine killers had already made pipe bombs and were actually going to use propane bombs in the massacre but they failed. Point is, whether through bombs or homemade guns. Anybody can look up how to make bombs or even homemade guns on the internet. People WILL find a way to kill others.

UKDave

western pearl wrote:

Calling me a stupid stupid person drives your point right home doesn't it? Real mature. So you really think that all of these large incidents wouldn't have happened if guns didn't exist? You don't think they would have found some other way? The columbine killers had already made pipe bombs and were actually going to use propane bombs in the massacre but they failed. Point is, whether through bombs or homemade guns. Anybody can look up how to make bombs or even homemade guns on the internet. People WILL find a way to kill others.

So make it more difficult for them and have stronger controls :rolleyes:

jeffbr

dunkman wrote:

there would have been no columbine
no amish killings
no mall killings yesterday
there would not be 10+ kids killed per week in the States alone



of course people would still kill each other and of course they would use knives.... but as Soulsinging said... if someone stabbed me with a knife then at least i could fight that person off.. if he shot me in the face with a gun i doubt i would be able to throw a punch.. i could maybe throw some brains at him, but i'm not sure.


stupid stupid argument used by stupid stupid people

The other stupid argument is that we will be able to get rid of guns. Laws will take guns from law abiding people. But this panacea of creating a gun free world is delusional.

jeffbr

UKDave wrote:

So make it more difficult for them and have stronger controls :rolleyes:

Which stronger controls? What specifically are you looking for? We have many, many gun laws on the books here. What new law will create the vision you have?

soulsinging

western pearl wrote:

Calling me a stupid stupid person drives your point right home doesn't it? Real mature. So you really think that all of these large incidents wouldn't have happened if guns didn't exist? You don't think they would have found some other way? The columbine killers had already made pipe bombs and were actually going to use propane bombs in the massacre but they failed. Point is, whether through bombs or homemade guns. Anybody can look up how to make bombs or even homemade guns on the internet. People WILL find a way to kill others.

"but the failed"

point one in our favor... it's not NEARLY as easy to kill large amounts of people without a gun. bombs are tough to make and not just any idiot can snap at work and build a bomb. some would, but it would be fewer. and no way would this guy have killed more than one person if he'd been using a knife... he'd have been stopped in no time.

UKDave

jeffbr wrote:

Which stronger controls? What specifically are you looking for? We have many, many gun laws on the books here. What new law will create the vision you have?

There are plenty of examples around the western world, the US has the most "gun friendly" culture and laws and surprise surprise it has the highest per capita gun related deaths in the developed nations... go figure :rolleyes:

western pearl

soulsinging wrote:

"but the failed"

point one in our favor... it's not NEARLY as easy to kill large amounts of people without a gun. bombs are tough to make and not just any idiot can snap at work and build a bomb. some would, but it would be fewer. and no way would this guy have killed more than one person if he'd been using a knife... he'd have been stopped in no time.

Do you have experience? I'm sure that, in your "world w/o guns" kids could figure out how to make an effective one through trial and error. If their propane bomb would have went off in the cafeteria, it probably would have killed three or four times as many people, maybe more. What would you be calling for then, background checks on people buying everyday household items?

miller8966

western pearl wrote:

Calling me a stupid stupid person drives your point right home doesn't it? Real mature. So you really think that all of these large incidents wouldn't have happened if guns didn't exist? You don't think they would have found some other way? The columbine killers had already made pipe bombs and were actually going to use propane bombs in the massacre but they failed. Point is, whether through bombs or homemade guns. Anybody can look up how to make bombs or even homemade guns on the internet. People WILL find a way to kill others.

Thats just how dunkman argues.

Your post is absoultely right...before guns i bet there were no deaths right? Like i bet no one ever died during the middle ages.

IMO every law abiding citizen should own a gun and be educated on gun use.

soulsinging

western pearl wrote:

Do you have experience? I'm sure that, in your "world w/o guns" kids could figure out how to make an effective one through trial and error. If their propane bomb would have went off in the cafeteria, it probably would have killed three or four times as many people, maybe more. What would you be calling for then, background checks on people buying everyday household items?

no, i would not. i would say shit happens. but id rather 1 kid out of 100 manage a successful propane bomb than 100 kids out of 100 easily get a gun and kill 10 people. funny thing is, i dont advocate tracking gun purchases or background checks for every buy. fancy that? im not for MORE regulation, im for SMARTER regulation, which i happen to think means less. but to deny that the easy access to guns by ANYONE in this country contributes at all to high rates of death by guns is the stupidest fucking thing i've ever heard and it's people like you and dunk that make sensible gun laws impossible. he believes all gun are good, and you believe guns can do no wrong.

LeilaMoonTurtle

your statement is nonsensical/apathetic.

MakingWaves wrote:

I'm just glad it didn't happen in the South so I don't have to hear ignorant people say things about the South.

soulsinging

miller8966 wrote:

Thats just how dunkman argues.

Your post is absoultely right...before guns i bet there were no deaths right? Like i bet no one ever died during the middle ages.

IMO every law abiding citizen should own a gun and be educated on gun use.

i wrote an essay about giving children guns at birth. jonathan swift would have been proud. im a bit scared to learn it is more realistic than i'd thought.

western pearl

miller8966 wrote:

Thats just how dunkman argues.

Your post is absoultely right...before guns i bet there were no deaths right? Like i bet no one ever died during the middle ages.

IMO every law abiding citizen should own a gun and be educated on gun use.

In the words of the great Ted Nugent (note sarcasm people, i don't think everything he preaches is right),

"Teach your kids to hunt so you don't have to hunt for your kids."