Obama is going to win in a landslide

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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    MattyJoe wrote:
    What are you talking about? People who need an operation for a serious condition or health problem can walk into an emergency room and get it for free, with almost no questions asked. Taxpayers pay for that. Nobody is dying any more needlessly than anyone else because of our alleged "greed."

    It's because of capitalism that our standard of living is so high in this country. Competition in the private sector is what keeps the quality and standard of healthcare as high as it is . A government-run healthcare program would bring an end to that. Honestly, what doctor would want to work their asses off in Medical school, paying $50,000 a year or more for up to 10 years, only to come out and work for the government, where they can't set up a private practice and can't make the money their hard work has earned them. These people work their asses off and we just call them greedy? I certainly wouldn't want to work for the government after doing all of that. Waste of time.
    have you seen the video of the homeless women left to die in the waiting room at the hospital becasue she had no insurance? How about the hmo
    s that deny life saving care to policy holders becasue they don't feel they need it? 43 million Americans are without health care, cuba has better numbers. What country is this where mom's can't take their kids to the doctor when they get sick because they can't afford it. Sure, its the land of the free, provided you can pay for it.
  • mca47mca47 Posts: 13,303
    I think Obama will need at least 10 points (at the end) on McCain in order to have a chance of winning. I have little faith in exit polls and even less faith in the American public.
    I hope he continues this swing!!

    Obama/Biden '08!
  • Commy wrote:
    have you seen the video of the homeless women left to die in the waiting room at the hospital becasue she had no insurance? How about the hmo
    s that deny life saving care to policy holders becasue they don't feel they need it? 43 million Americans are without health care, cuba has better numbers. What country is this where mom's can't take their kids to the doctor when they get sick because they can't afford it. Sure, its the land of the free, provided you can pay for it.

    A sound responsible government geared towards improving the lives of it's citizens over capitalist greed is required before initiating a socialized health care program imo. I believe Canada has it for the most part, it could always be better, but I believe it's working. A society that feels cared for, and taken care of, pays forward in spades. It's a better system than the boat is sinking and every man for himself. When it comes to life and living itself, when you're sick and dying nothing else in the world matters. It's a better world to live in.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • mca47 wrote:
    I think Obama will need at least 10 points (at the end) on McCain in order to have a chance of winning. I have little faith in exit polls and even less faith in the American public.
    I hope he continues this swing!!

    Obama/Biden '08!

    I wonder how much of his swing is about hunting down terrorists and bombing countries into submission. I'm thinking it's very much near the top of his list. Hurrah...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    Commy wrote:
    have you seen the video of the homeless women left to die in the waiting room at the hospital becasue she had no insurance? How about the hmo
    s that deny life saving care to policy holders becasue they don't feel they need it? 43 million Americans are without health care, cuba has better numbers. What country is this where mom's can't take their kids to the doctor when they get sick because they can't afford it. Sure, its the land of the free, provided you can pay for it.

    With your post here your name is right. This country is about working hard and getting waht you want not a government giving you everything. If you think Socialism is such a good idea then go live in a socialist country.
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    A sound responsible government geared towards improving the lives of it's citizens over capitalist greed is required before initiating a socialized health care program imo. I believe Canada has it for the most part, it could always be better, but I believe it's working. A society that feels cared for, and taken care of, pays forward in spades. It's a better system than the boat is sinking and every man for himself. When it comes to life and living itself, when you're sick and dying nothing else in the world matters. It's a better world to live in.
    its not a prerequisite. Once the system is implemented it encourages that ideology.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,351
    MattyJoe wrote:
    What are you talking about? People who need an operation for a serious condition or health problem can walk into an emergency room and get it for free, with almost no questions asked. Taxpayers pay for that. Nobody is dying any more needlessly than anyone else because of our alleged "greed."

    It's because of capitalism that our standard of living is so high in this country. Competition in the private sector is what keeps the quality and standard of healthcare as high as it is . A government-run healthcare program would bring an end to that. Honestly, what doctor would want to work their asses off in Medical school, paying $50,000 a year or more for up to 10 years, only to come out and work for the government, where they can't set up a private practice and can't make the money their hard work has earned them. These people work their asses off and we just call them greedy? I certainly wouldn't want to work for the government after doing all of that. Waste of time.
    hey, fact check before you spew nonsense...i'll do some of the work for you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care

    According to the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences and others, the United States is the only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not provide universal health care.

    yup americans got it right, the rest of the world are all idiots.............
  • Commy wrote:
    its not a prerequisite. Once the system is implemented it encourages that ideology.


    agree...it helps, not the be all so to speak. I think they should at least try it out (again?) at the very least, pardon my ignorance (I do have my limitations about other the goings on in other places) but was there ever socialized health care system in place before?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,351
    Current estimates put U.S. health care spending at approximately 15% of GDP, the highest in the world. In 2003, approximately 61 million adults, or 35 percent of individuals ages 19 to 64, had either no insurance, sporadic coverage, or insurance coverage that exposed them to high health care costs.I could go on and on.
  • yield6 wrote:
    Current estimates put U.S. health care spending at approximately 15% of GDP, the highest in the world. In 2003, approximately 61 million adults, or 35 percent of individuals ages 19 to 64, had either no insurance, sporadic coverage, or insurance coverage that exposed them to high health care costs.I could go on and on.


    That right there is messed up...people are suffering at home. It's all connected via various homes, streets, and neighborhoods like a woven fabric. Sad.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,351
    That right there is messed up...people are suffering at home. It's all connected via various homes, streets, and neighborhoods like a woven fabric. Sad.
    we Canadians have a far from perfect system....but id be damned if the America has it right.
  • pjalive21 wrote:
    socialism here we come!!!

    Cause governments giving a shit about their citizens is such a bad thing :rolleyes:


    In reality the Republican party already practices socialist policies in the form of public education, public health (albeit it very shit) and social securities.

    The irony is that most Americans can't grap the concept that both major parties are essentially socialist, just one more than the other. People would riot If this kind of socialism were ever removed.
  • yield6 wrote:
    we Canadians have a far from perfect system....but id be damned if the America has it right.

    I had to swim through the system...there was a bump or two namely one doctor that was unfamiliar with the procedure, and another that had to refer me to his mentor upon my persistence. I educated myself and then educated them, then moved upwards on referrals to where I needed to be, and where I was comfortable with. You have to interview them all, and ask a lot of questions, and be persistent, and take nothing for granted. In the end I got one of the top surgeons at what is considered one the top five hospitals for my procedure in the world. The key is educating yourself to the situation...That's my experience anyways.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • MattyJoeMattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    yield6 wrote:
    yup americans got it right, the rest of the world are all idiots.............

    Why don't we talk about the problems one of those countries has, shall we? Canada.

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html

    "I was once a believer in socialized medicine. I don’t want to overstate my case: growing up in Canada, I didn’t spend much time contemplating the nuances of health economics. I wanted to get into medical school—my mind brimmed with statistics on MCAT scores and admissions rates, not health spending. But as a Canadian, I had soaked up three things from my environment: a love of ice hockey; an ability to convert Celsius into Fahrenheit in my head; and the belief that government-run health care was truly compassionate. What I knew about American health care was unappealing: high expenses and lots of uninsured people. When HillaryCare shook Washington, I remember thinking that the Clintonistas were right.

    My health-care prejudices crumbled not in the classroom but on the way to one. On a subzero Winnipeg morning in 1997, I cut across the hospital emergency room to shave a few minutes off my frigid commute. Swinging open the door, I stepped into a nightmare: the ER overflowed with elderly people on stretchers, waiting for admission. Some, it turned out, had waited five days. The air stank with sweat and urine. Right then, I began to reconsider everything that I thought I knew about Canadian health care. I soon discovered that the problems went well beyond overcrowded ERs. Patients had to wait for practically any diagnostic test or procedure, such as the man with persistent pain from a hernia operation whom we referred to a pain clinic—with a three-year wait list; or the woman needing a sleep study to diagnose what seemed like sleep apnea, who faced a two-year delay; or the woman with breast cancer who needed to wait four months for radiation therapy, when the standard of care was four weeks."


    "My book’s thesis was simple: to contain rising costs, government-run health-care systems invariably restrict the health-care supply. Thus, at a time when Canada’s population was aging and needed more care, not less, cost-crunching bureaucrats had reduced the size of medical school classes, shuttered hospitals, and capped physician fees, resulting in hundreds of thousands of patients waiting for needed treatment—patients who suffered and, in some cases, died from the delays. The only solution, I concluded, was to move away from government command-and-control structures and toward a more market-oriented system. To capture Canadian health care’s growing crisis, I called my book Code Blue, the term used when a patient’s heart stops and hospital staff must leap into action to save him. Though I had a hard time finding a Canadian publisher, the book eventually came out in 1999 from a small imprint; it struck a nerve, going through five printings."

    http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/socialized.html#canada

    http://blog.case.edu/ccrhd/2008/05/05/health_care_delivery_problems_in_canada


    How about a different country? Great Britain?

    http://www.physorg.com/news101408912.html

    http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/uklagbehind.html

    "The US uptake of bevacizumab for colorectal cancer was 10 times the uptake of the European average, with the UK having a very low uptake."

    http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/ukharms2.html

    http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/ukcancerdrugs.html

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4059589.ece
    I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
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  • If Obama won in a landslide...there's a good chance he would get killed by all the sliding debris...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,351
    MattyJoe wrote:
    Why don't we talk about the problems one of those countries has, shall we? Canada.

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html

    "I was once a believer in socialized medicine. I don’t want to overstate my case: growing up in Canada, I didn’t spend much time contemplating the nuances of health economics. I wanted to get into medical school—my mind brimmed with statistics on MCAT scores and admissions rates, not health spending. But as a Canadian, I had soaked up three things from my environment: a love of ice hockey; an ability to convert Celsius into Fahrenheit in my head; and the belief that government-run health care was truly compassionate. What I knew about American health care was unappealing: high expenses and lots of uninsured people. When HillaryCare shook Washington, I remember thinking that the Clintonistas were right.

    My health-care prejudices crumbled not in the classroom but on the way to one. On a subzero Winnipeg morning in 1997, I cut across the hospital emergency room to shave a few minutes off my frigid commute. Swinging open the door, I stepped into a nightmare: the ER overflowed with elderly people on stretchers, waiting for admission. Some, it turned out, had waited five days. The air stank with sweat and urine. Right then, I began to reconsider everything that I thought I knew about Canadian health care. I soon discovered that the problems went well beyond overcrowded ERs. Patients had to wait for practically any diagnostic test or procedure, such as the man with persistent pain from a hernia operation whom we referred to a pain clinic—with a three-year wait list; or the woman needing a sleep study to diagnose what seemed like sleep apnea, who faced a two-year delay; or the woman with breast cancer who needed to wait four months for radiation therapy, when the standard of care was four weeks."


    "My book’s thesis was simple: to contain rising costs, government-run health-care systems invariably restrict the health-care supply. Thus, at a time when Canada’s population was aging and needed more care, not less, cost-crunching bureaucrats had reduced the size of medical school classes, shuttered hospitals, and capped physician fees, resulting in hundreds of thousands of patients waiting for needed treatment—patients who suffered and, in some cases, died from the delays. The only solution, I concluded, was to move away from government command-and-control structures and toward a more market-oriented system. To capture Canadian health care’s growing crisis, I called my book Code Blue, the term used when a patient’s heart stops and hospital staff must leap into action to save him. Though I had a hard time finding a Canadian publisher, the book eventually came out in 1999 from a small imprint; it struck a nerve, going through five printings."

    http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/socialized.html#canada

    http://blog.case.edu/ccrhd/2008/05/05/health_care_delivery_problems_in_canada


    How about a different country? Great Britain?

    http://www.physorg.com/news101408912.html

    http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/uklagbehind.html

    "The US uptake of bevacizumab for colorectal cancer was 10 times the uptake of the European average, with the UK having a very low uptake."

    http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/ukharms2.html

    http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/ukcancerdrugs.html

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4059589.ece
    how about i put up a million links to.........
    http://www.aflcio.org/issues/healthcare/whatswrong/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_United_States
    http://dll.umaine.edu/ble/U.S.%20HCweb.pdf
    http://cthealth.server101.com/the_case_for_universal_health_care_in_the_united_states.htm

    http://newsbatch.com/healthcare.htm
    http://www.nupge.ca/news_2003/n14au03a.htm
    http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/167/2/163

    if its a battle of problems, ya gotta know im gonna win......ive got way more ammo. Ive already admitted that we dont have it perfect, but come on. can you honestly defend your current system? How is your system better? Lets not battle about whos is worst.
  • MattyJoeMattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    yield6 wrote:
    if its a battle of problems, ya gotta know im gonna win......ive got way more ammo. Ive already admitted that we dont have it perfect, but come on. can you honestly defend your current system? How is your system better? Lets not battle about whos is worst.

    Did you read the links I posted? We have none of that over here. It's truly sickening how people can think national healthcare can work. You guys can barely pay for it all, another benefit of keeping an industry privatized. The government is not capable of running entire industries like that. The overall quality of the healthcare is much lower under a government system.
    I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
    -Reagan
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    MattyJoe wrote:
    Did you read the links I posted? We have none of that over here. It's truly sickening how people can think national healthcare can work. You guys can barely pay for it all, another benefit of keeping an industry privatized. The government is not capable of running entire industries like that. The overall quality of the healthcare is much lower under a government system.
    US has plenty of money..it leads the world in spending when it comes to violence.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,351
    MattyJoe wrote:
    Did you read the links I posted? We have none of that over here. It's truly sickening how people can think national healthcare can work. You guys can barely pay for it all, another benefit of keeping an industry privatized. The government is not capable of running entire industries like that. The overall quality of the healthcare is much lower under a government system.
    fuck it...you won. There is no hope for us "pinkos"
  • MattyJoeMattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    yield6 wrote:
    fuck it...you won. There is no hope for us "pinkos"

    I guess not..
    I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
    -Reagan
  • MattyJoeMattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    Commy wrote:
    the US counts for over 50% of the worlds entire spending on violence.

    What do you mean? There's a section of the budget specifically labeled "Violence"? :rolleyes:
    I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
    -Reagan
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    yield6 wrote:
    fuck it...you won. There is no hope for us "pinkos"
    peace and collectivism should never be given up on. fight the good fight, nothing else really matters.
  • jodijodi Posts: 183
    Lets hope so. If Obama doesn't win you better stop with american politics. I gave up already after 2004, but realy hope Obama will win it. Where would the world stand if Bush hadn't won in 2000.. Gore what the.... did go wrong there?

    In my country it is the same, they do whatever the US government wants too.. Do not get that at all. Why being in Irac and Afghanistan? Our own soldiers getting killed for nothing..

    Hope Obama wins it and the worldorder will be changed!
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    jodi wrote:
    Lets hope so. If Obama doesn't win you better stop with american politics. I gave up already after 2004, but realy hope Obama will win it. Where would the world stand if Bush hadn't won in 2000.. Gore what the.... did go wrong there?

    In my country it is the same, they do whatever the US government wants too.. Do not get that at all. Why being in Irac and Afghanistan? Our own soldiers getting killed for nothing..

    Hope Obama wins it and the worldorder will be changed!
    thing is, from what I"ve heard from Obama, he realizes he will be inheriting an empire. I see no change in policy coming from his administration. more of the same. revolution doesn't seem so out of reach at this point. Mccain or Obama. a general strike might not be such a bad idea regardless of the outcome of this 'election'.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,351
    Commy wrote:
    peace and collectivism should never be given up on. fight the good fight, nothing else really matters.
    i got you, i was being sarcastic...i was just sick of wasting my time argueing with someone so ignorant. ;)
  • MattyJoe wrote:
    I guess not..


    work your whole life...get sick and your entire life savings is wiped out.

    It's happening to people..

    I like the US but I'd never want to get sick there...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    bump for the blowout
  • VINNY GOOMBAVINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,818
    There are quite a few Americans who will poll for Obama, but behind the closed curtain, all alone, can't bring themselves to vote for a black guy. Sad, I know. Obama will most likely win, but I think this election will be much closer than the polls show.

    McCain or Obama, I believe we are fucked either way. Neither care about our monetary system, our civil liberties, border security, or ending the American empire. Even if they did, Congress is still horrendous. That's where we really need "CHANGE."
  • There are quite a few Americans who will poll for Obama, but behind the closed curtain, all alone, can't bring themselves to vote for a black guy. Sad, I know. Obama will most likely win, but I think this election will be much closer than the polls show.

    McCain or Obama, I believe we are fucked either way. Neither care about our monetary system, our civil liberties, border security, or ending the American empire. Even if they did, Congress is still horrendous. That's where we really need "CHANGE."


    I agree Vinny, except at the end of the day on Nov 4th, McCain will win and that's nothing to celebrate either. I'm not voting for him or Obama, but the DNC and its fans will be in for a shock because what people say in polls and in front of a camera is quite different when they are alone in that booth. It will be a tight race and people will be left scratching their heads and crying about why Obama did not win.

    The media is behind all this bullshit and I consider myself blessed to be above it all. I'm not voting for either candidate because I don't believe in them, BUT... experience should count for something, and that's all I'll say.


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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    MattyJoe wrote:
    What do you mean? There's a section of the budget specifically labeled "Violence"? :rolleyes:
    yeah, its called 'defense' in typical Washington doublespeak.
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