Fucking Bullshit

jlew24asu

soulsinging wrote:

what is so stupid about it? you're the one making the illogical assertion that thinking anyone who thinks 9/11 was not a big surprise also feels america deserved it. that's a ridiculous contention, as ridiculous as the short skirt-rape thing. the analogy works... perhaps it explains why one entity was targeted as opposed to another, but it by no means implies that said entity deserved the crime that followed. america did not deserve 9/11. but given some of its actions in the past, it is not exactly shocking that it happened. do you really have such trouble wrapping your simple-minded black and white worldview around this concept?

american did not deserve to be attacked on 9/11 given its actions in the past.

angelica

jlew24asu wrote:

american did not deserve to be attacked on 9/11 given its actions in the past.

No one is saying America deserved to be attacked. What people are saying is that humans are fallible. When people get upset by American policies and actions, humans do not operate reasonably. They become upset and they become a threat. They will act in threating ways. This is because humans do not know how to operate ideally, especially when upset. This is just the way it is.

JamMastaE

jlew24asu wrote:

who did it?

not who,whom.

jlew24asu

JamMastaE wrote:

not who,whom.

boy I really need to dumb things down for you dont I


ok whom did it

jlew24asu

angelica wrote:

No one is saying America deserved to be attacked. What people are saying is that humans are fallible. When people get upset by American policies and actions, humans do not operate reasonably. They become upset and they become a threat. They will act in threating ways. This is because humans do not know how to operate ideally, especially when upset. This is just the way it is.

I know I got it. america's foreign policy upsets so many that big bad america finally got what it deserved.

norm

JamMastaE wrote:

not who,whom.

http://data.grammarbook.com/blog/?p=3

Rule: Use who when you could replace it with he.

Example: Who/whom is standing by the gate?
He is standing by the gate. So who is correct.

Example: Gail wished she knew who/whom won.
Gail wished is a subject and verb pair (also called a clause). She knew is another subject and verb pair (clause). Who/whom won, the third clause, is the one we care about here. We would say he won so who is correct.

Rule: Use whom when you could replace it with him.

Example: To who/whom am I speaking?
Let’s turn the question into a sentence to make it easier: I am speaking to who/whom. We would say I am speaking to him. Therefore, whom is correct.

angelica

jlew24asu wrote:

I know I got it. america's foreign policy upsets so many that big bad america finally got what it deserved.

Your "victim" mentality is not becoming of you. When you're willing to use reason, I'll be waiting.

jlew24asu

angelica wrote:

Your "victim" mentality is not becoming of you. When you're willing to use reason, I'll be waiting.

on 9/11 america was the victim. IMHO america did nothing to warrent such an attack

JamMastaE

jlew24asu wrote:

boy I really need to dumb things down for you dont I


ok whom did it

funny.

a small group.we know 100% that Chaney was in on it.the bush crime syndicate is a given,if you know anything about that families history.anyone who studies the facts knows the gov. version of the story is the conspiracy.

wait...jlew24asu..here comes the Shepherd,time to go.

"baahhh"

i know you do/think as your told,c ya later dude.

jlew24asu

JamMastaE wrote:

funny.

a small group.we know 100% that Chaney was in on it.the bush crime syndicate is a given,if you know anything about that families history.anyone who studies the facts knows the gov. version of the story is the conspiracy.

wait...jlew24asu..here comes the Shepherd,time to go.

"baahhh"

i know you do/think as your told,c ya later dude.

o well since you say its 100% how can I argue with that. I stand corrected.

angelica

jlew24asu wrote:

on 9/11 america was the victim. IMHO america did nothing to warrent such an attack

I understand what you are saying. America did not deserve that attack. It is inappropriate to kill thousands of people in order to make an point. The people who died were innocent victims of a cruel plot.

Did you understand what I said two posts back? People rarely live up to our expectations. People are flawed and when they are upset, they respond in anger, sadness and sometimes violence. We never, EVER deserve a violent response. And still sometimes that is what happens when you make people angry. If America makes someone angry, America is responsible for the action they did that made another country or group angry. America is NEVER responsible for any response by another country, or group because America is only responsible for what America controls (their own actions), which is separate from the feelings or actions of another which they do not control.

jlew24asu

angelica wrote:

I understand what you are saying. America did not deserve that attack. It is inappropriate to kill thousands of people in order to make an point. The people who died were innocent victims of a cruel plot.

Did you understand what I said two posts back? People rarely live up to our expectations. People are flawed and when they are upset, they respond in anger, sadness and sometimes violence. We never, EVER deserve a violent response. And still sometimes that is what happens when you make people angry. If America makes someone angry, America is responsible for the action they did that made another country or group angry. America is NEVER responsible for any response by another country, or group because America is only responsible for what America controls (their own actions), which is separate from the feelings or actions of another which they do not control.

I hear what your screamin.

angelica

jlew24asu wrote:

I hear what your screamin.

Do you agree with me? Do you agree that America is responsible for when they cross lines, and harm other people and use power irresponsibly?

And do you agree with me that terrorists are responsible for when they cross lines, harm other people and use power irresponsibly?

Do you agree that we cannot blur those lines? And do you agree that when anyone is accountable for their actions, that they just are? Whether they accept that accountability or not?

JamMastaE

On the morning of September 11th, 2001, Dick Cheney was running several war games in the north eastern portion of the United States. These drills included many hijacking scenarios, where commercial jets were hijacked and flown into buildings. At the same time Cheney had arranged for a drill involving a bio attack on NY. This resulted in FEMA setting up a command post on pier 29 in New York on September 10th.

Some of these drill were scheduled for later in the year but Dick Cheney rescheduled them and made sure that they all took place on the same day. This was unprecedented.

The war games involved live fly exercises, and electronic drills where fake blips were placed on radar screens. Cheney was in charge of a communications system that superseded those of the FAA, NORAD and NEADS. Some of the drills possibly included remote control planes.

Dick Cheney is member of the Project for a New American Century. This is an organization of political ideologues (neocons) who wrote detailed plans than included invading Afghanistan, Iraq & the middle east. Their goal is ensure America is the only super power in the world. You can research their work for it is public information. Members of PNAC include Donald Rumsfeld and more than ten members of the Bush foreign & defense policy teams. In their documentation they openly state that the public and Congress would not accept their agenda and that the transition would be a slow one “absent a catalyzing and catastrophic event like a New Pearl Harbor!”

Cheney was in a position to have the air defense agencies stand down.

From from September 2000 to June 2001, 67 planes steered off course. All 67 times our air defense systems worked as they should, and interceptors were launched. You may remember this happening when Payne Stewart and his crew died in flight. On September 11th, 2001, when Dick Cheney was running his war games, 4 jet airliners were supposedly hijacked, and all our systems that have worked flawlessly 67 times that year, failed. Coincidence?

While these facts seem to incriminate Cheney, all you can do within reason is ask these questions:
Was Cheney in a position to have the defense systems stand down?
Did Cheney, a member of PNAC, a group who expressed the fact that their agenda would be better accepted if we had a “new Pearl Harbor”, have a motive? Did he benefit from the events?
Could the events have been an accident? Could the drills have gone bad?
Why did the 9/11 Commission Report omit the information about the drills, making only 1 mention of them in a single footnote. The report only mentioned 1 drill, and falsely described it as a drill to defend against Russian Bombers. In the age of ICBMs, are we to believe that we have to practice defending the nation against Russian bombers in the north eastern portion of the US?
Why have the news media neglected to inform the public of Cheney’s actions that day?
Why did Bush and Cheney insist on being questioned by the commission together, without being taped, without taking an oath and with no records kept?
If you did not know this information, you have to ask yourself why it is not common knowledge? You also have to ask what else don’t you know?
In the years following the event, have you ever heard from the people who you were told committed these acts? Or, have you only been told why this happened by the people who want you to believe their story.

Use your common sense. Do you think the global intelligence powers failed this badly? Do you think men who could barely pilot a 2 seat plane can navigate across several states and find their target? Are you that gullible? Have some self respect, and think before you believe what you are told.

also.



Osama bin Laden: "I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States."

Kann

JamMastaE wrote:

Osama bin Laden: "I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States."

Do you have a reliable source on this? The only ones I could find were Al Jazeera or whatreallyhappened.com.
Also the pnac part is very interesting but I fail to find the names you mentionned on their website?

miller8966

Kann wrote:

Do you have a reliable source on this? The only ones I could find were Al Jazeera or whatreallyhappened.com.
Also the pnac part is very interesting but I fail to find the names you mentionned on their website?

lol At that quote....

soulsinging

jlew24asu wrote:

american did not deserve to be attacked on 9/11 given its actions in the past.

fair enough. you see it one way. i see it as america did not deserve to be attacked on 9/11 despite some of its mistakes in the past. you're gung ho nationalistic, imperial foreign policy. im not. but regardless, we both agree that 9/11 was a sickening act that we did not deserve. im just less surprised that it happened than you were.

soulsinging

jlew24asu wrote:

on 9/11 america was the victim. IMHO america did nothing to warrent such an attack

i agree 100%.

soulsinging

JamMastaE wrote:

On the morning of September 11th, 2001, Dick Cheney was running several war games in the north eastern portion of the United States. These drills included many hijacking scenarios, where commercial jets were hijacked and flown into buildings. At the same time Cheney had arranged for a drill involving a bio attack on NY. This resulted in FEMA setting up a command post on pier 29 in New York on September 10th.

Some of these drill were scheduled for later in the year but Dick Cheney rescheduled them and made sure that they all took place on the same day. This was unprecedented.

The war games involved live fly exercises, and electronic drills where fake blips were placed on radar screens. Cheney was in charge of a communications system that superseded those of the FAA, NORAD and NEADS. Some of the drills possibly included remote control planes.

Dick Cheney is member of the Project for a New American Century. This is an organization of political ideologues (neocons) who wrote detailed plans than included invading Afghanistan, Iraq & the middle east. Their goal is ensure America is the only super power in the world. You can research their work for it is public information. Members of PNAC include Donald Rumsfeld and more than ten members of the Bush foreign & defense policy teams. In their documentation they openly state that the public and Congress would not accept their agenda and that the transition would be a slow one “absent a catalyzing and catastrophic event like a New Pearl Harbor!”

Cheney was in a position to have the air defense agencies stand down.

From from September 2000 to June 2001, 67 planes steered off course. All 67 times our air defense systems worked as they should, and interceptors were launched. You may remember this happening when Payne Stewart and his crew died in flight. On September 11th, 2001, when Dick Cheney was running his war games, 4 jet airliners were supposedly hijacked, and all our systems that have worked flawlessly 67 times that year, failed. Coincidence?

While these facts seem to incriminate Cheney, all you can do within reason is ask these questions:
Was Cheney in a position to have the defense systems stand down?
Did Cheney, a member of PNAC, a group who expressed the fact that their agenda would be better accepted if we had a “new Pearl Harbor”, have a motive? Did he benefit from the events?
Could the events have been an accident? Could the drills have gone bad?
Why did the 9/11 Commission Report omit the information about the drills, making only 1 mention of them in a single footnote. The report only mentioned 1 drill, and falsely described it as a drill to defend against Russian Bombers. In the age of ICBMs, are we to believe that we have to practice defending the nation against Russian bombers in the north eastern portion of the US?
Why have the news media neglected to inform the public of Cheney’s actions that day?
Why did Bush and Cheney insist on being questioned by the commission together, without being taped, without taking an oath and with no records kept?
If you did not know this information, you have to ask yourself why it is not common knowledge? You also have to ask what else don’t you know?
In the years following the event, have you ever heard from the people who you were told committed these acts? Or, have you only been told why this happened by the people who want you to believe their story.

Use your common sense. Do you think the global intelligence powers failed this badly? Do you think men who could barely pilot a 2 seat plane can navigate across several states and find their target? Are you that gullible? Have some self respect, and think before you believe what you are told.

also.



Osama bin Laden: "I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States."

dude, did you ever see jfk??? it's so TRUE man!

miller8966

soulsinging wrote:

dude, did you ever see jfk??? it's so TRUE man!

lol/ Bush orchestrated 9/11.... but i heard he actually planted the bomb in the rider truck for the first world trade center attack. I also heard he was hanging out in africa during the late 90's for the embassy bombings.

And Oklahoma.... Timothy mcveigh served in the first iraq war...which means George Bush did it.