and you do know that arguing about nader on the MT all day long is not going to change anyones mind or bring him 1 extra vote, or help change anything? you are wasting your time when you could be actually helping his campaign and causes you support
Wrong again. I have actually convinced a few here to support him. And every idea put out there makes a difference and plants seeds in people's minds for the better or the worse...that's all subjective. I do help his campaign in other ways than this board also such as petitioning for ballot access. Networking/use of the internet are huge parts of campaigning these days, though. You can reach FAR more people this way than you ever could in person.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Actually, the 30% cap was an amendment to the 2005 bankruptcy bill. The overall bill, S.256, was voted against by only 24 Senators - all Democrats - of which Obama was one. It was a terrible bill, if you ask me, and Obama did the right thing by voting against it. The overall bill means more money for "them" and a 30% cap amendment wouldn't have done much to change that.
Funny you should bring up Hillary, though. She voted in favor of the amendment but was the only Senator to not vote at all on the bill itself.
I think it would have been at least some relief and I stand by that. With no ceiling, it still leaves people with no federal protection and the possibility of things getting even worse.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
and you do know that arguing about nader on the MT all day long is not going to change anyones mind or bring him 1 extra vote, or help change anything? you are wasting your time when you could be actually helping his campaign and causes you support
I recall people saying similar things to the Ron Paul contingent, and yet people are now talking about that as the greatest use of grassroots campaigning in recent memory.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
I think it would have been at least some relief and I stand by that. With no ceiling, it still leaves people with no federal protection and the possibility of things getting even worse.
So, ideally, he should have voted for the amendment but against the bill? I disagree. Even though the bill passed (i.e. Obama failed to stop it), I think voting against the bill and any attempt to make is seem better than it was was the right thing to do.
So, ideally, he should have voted for the amendment but against the bill? I disagree. Even though the bill passed (i.e. Obama failed to stop it), I think voting against the bill and any attempt to make is seem better than it was was the right thing to do.
Yeah, I think that 30% is better than nothing, no protection. I think a lot of people in these predatory lending situations would agree.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Yeah, I think that 30% is better than nothing, no protection. I think a lot of people in these predatory lending situations would agree.
Actually, for people in predatory lending situations, nothing would have been the best thing of all - at least in my opinion. Prior to the bill passing, it was easier for an individual to declare bankruptcy. Now? Yeah, good luck. If you ask me, I don't think there was much wrong with the bankruptcy laws in this country before 2005. Focusing on one amendment that to me amounts to less than a band-aid is kind of a distraction, but we can disagree.
Now that we've covered the NAACP, Iran, and U.S. bankruptcy laws (you know, all the most important stuff in the world), I think it's time for me to go. Till the next time!
Actually, for people in predatory lending situations, nothing would have been the best thing of all - at least in my opinion. Prior to the bill passing, it was easier for an individual to declare bankruptcy. Now? Yeah, good luck. If you ask me, I don't think there was much wrong with the bankruptcy laws in this country before 2005. Focusing on one amendment that to me amounts to less than a band-aid is kind of a distraction, but we can disagree.
Now that we've covered the NAACP, Iran, and U.S. bankruptcy laws (you know, all the most important stuff in the world), I think it's time for me to go. Till the next time!
I get what you are saying but something seems better than nothing to me still so why not?
Til then
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
they've been at it for months. and it's only just become unacceptable?
so now they are both banned? what a catastrophic success.
The personal attacks seemed to be intensifying a lot in the last few days, from a couple of posters in particular. Abook knows some of what she said was out of line, but she's become the accepted target for the pro-Obama/anti-Nader brigade.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
The personal attacks seemed to be intensifying a lot in the last few days, from a couple of posters in particular. Abook knows some of what she said was out of line, but she's become the accepted target for the pro-Obama/anti-Nader brigade.
It looks like my2hands had one agenda in his questions in this thread today.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
i love how the nader supporters... aka abook... jump into a thread about his speech about self responsibility to the NAACP and try and turn it into a discussion about Iran and how they think Obama is a war monger that cant wait to nuke iran :rolleyes:
some folks seem to have a 1 track mind with blinders on
This just proves it. He came in the thread, and pinned the "blame" for the discussion on Abook, despite the fact that she was answering a question about a topic that was already broached. It's like he was champing at the bit to draw her into a fight.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
This just proves it. He came in the thread, and pinned the "blame" for the discussion on Abook, despite the fact that she was answering a question about a topic that was already broached. It's like he was champing at the bit to draw her into a fight.
Totally.
I am honoured to know you and Abook, considering the conscientiousness and good intent you both display with your purposes in posting.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I am honoured to know you and Abook, considering the conscientiousness and good intent you both display with your purposes in posting.
I might not always be relevant, but I don't think I'm ever malicious. There are good people on this board - and you and Abook are high among them - but that fact tends to get lost with all the pointless bickering, baiting and sloganeering that goes on.
Ironic that this shit should go down on a thread about responsibility, huh?
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
I might not always be relevant, but I don't think I'm ever malicious. There are good people on this board - and you and Abook are high among them - but that fact tends to get lost with all the pointless bickering, baiting and sloganeering that goes on.
Ironic that this shit should go down on a thread about responsibility, huh?
I agree...
even regarding my own irrelevance!
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I recall people saying similar things to the Ron Paul contingent, and yet people are now talking about that as the greatest use of grassroots campaigning in recent memory.
It was actually back in 2004 with Howard Dean candidacy that internet proselitism took center stage as a new way to campaign and fundraising.
some people puy waaaaaay to much faith in politicians...especially the ones that are vague as hell...
Bush was the drought and people are starving for any crumb they can put a speckof icing on, and call a quadruple layer wedding cake...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
This quote from Obama explains it pretty well:
"That is why last year I opposed the so-called Protect America Act, which expanded the surveillance powers of the government without sufficient independent oversight to protect the privacy and civil liberties of innocent Americans. I have also opposed the granting of retroactive immunity to those who were allegedly complicit in acts of illegal spying in the past.
"After months of negotiation, the House today passed a compromise that, while far from perfect, is a marked improvement over last year's Protect America Act.
Interesting...sounds like Obama's a true supporter of the whole "vote for the lesser of two evils" school.....how fitting. And how sad.
Oh, I never said he really flip-flopped; his policies are just terrible, in general.
i call you on this bullshit- you quoted NMyTree and said you "agree completely"- that obama's done "complete 180's". how is that not an accusation of flip-flopping? perhaps now YOU'RE doing a bit of flip-flopping, eh?
"Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
i call you on this bullshit- you quoted NMyTree and said you "agree completely"- that obama's done "complete 180's". how is that not an accusation of flip-flopping? perhaps now YOU'RE doing a bit of flip-flopping, eh?
I never said the phrase "agree completely".... I said I have to agree and I EXPANDED on what I was agreeing with... if I had just said I agree then your argument makes sense.
I guess I should've cut some parts out, but why the fuck would I waste my time doing that?
I never said the phrase "agree completely".... I said I have to agree and I EXPANDED on what I was agreeing with... if I had just said I agree then your argument makes sense.
I guess I should've cut some parts out, but why the fuck would I waste my time doing that?
Reading comprehension isn't really her strong point. Just shrug, smile and fear for the future, for she is breeding:D:D
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Actually I was having an adult discussion about Iran and Obama til you showed up.
Wrong again. I have actually convinced a few here to support him. And every idea put out there makes a difference and plants seeds in people's minds for the better or the worse...that's all subjective. I do help his campaign in other ways than this board also such as petitioning for ballot access. Networking/use of the internet are huge parts of campaigning these days, though. You can reach FAR more people this way than you ever could in person.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I think it would have been at least some relief and I stand by that. With no ceiling, it still leaves people with no federal protection and the possibility of things getting even worse.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Yeah, I think that 30% is better than nothing, no protection. I think a lot of people in these predatory lending situations would agree.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Now that we've covered the NAACP, Iran, and U.S. bankruptcy laws (you know, all the most important stuff in the world), I think it's time for me to go. Till the next time!
I get what you are saying but something seems better than nothing to me still so why not?
Til then
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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not capable as in 'not willing'?
or not capable as in 'unable'?
what did you mean?
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so now they are both banned? what a catastrophic success.
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I am honoured to know you and Abook, considering the conscientiousness and good intent you both display with your purposes in posting.
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Ironic that this shit should go down on a thread about responsibility, huh?
even regarding my own irrelevance!
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Dont worry, man...be happy.
It was actually back in 2004 with Howard Dean candidacy that internet proselitism took center stage as a new way to campaign and fundraising.
Interesting article here:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.01/dean.html
not sure...
when I saw him speak, he took about 10 questions before heading the next event...
Bush was the drought and people are starving for any crumb they can put a speckof icing on, and call a quadruple layer wedding cake...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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i call you on this bullshit- you quoted NMyTree and said you "agree completely"- that obama's done "complete 180's". how is that not an accusation of flip-flopping? perhaps now YOU'RE doing a bit of flip-flopping, eh?
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
I guess I should've cut some parts out, but why the fuck would I waste my time doing that?
Reading comprehension isn't really her strong point. Just shrug, smile and fear for the future, for she is breeding:D:D
:rolleyes:
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7