Ralph Nader
my2hands
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what are his exact ideas and plans if elected...
I am hoping his supporters will be able to overwhelm me with his detailed agenda...
I am hoping his supporters will be able to overwhelm me with his detailed agenda...
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Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_nader
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
i'll bet you a dollar to a fucking doughnut he has had some associations with someone who has said some crazy ass shit. Better condemn Nader for what that person said, whether he agrees with it or not, and then talk about nothing else.
again... i am looking for his specific agenda and ideas
this doesnt make me anti-nader by the way...
The thing about Nader is though, when someone says something he strongly disagrees with he stands up and says so.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I've already said he hasn't laid about specifics just yet on his site but he did just announce last month. And looking at his past accomplishments, I have complete confidence that he knows how to get the job done. His direction and stance on the issues that are the most important to me is enough for now because the other guys aren't even addressing them. He has a record long and true of getting the job done and putting the people's interests on top.
Do you think Nader is incapable of being President even after seeing his resume of leadership and victories for the common man? How is Nader less qualified than Obama? What has Obama done for the american people? I think Nader is much MORE qualified, actually and has proven himself time and time again.
And what good is Obama's 'plans' when he has a history of saying one thing and then doing/voting another way?
And what did you think about Nader single payer plan, again?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Some of his non profits have unionized, actually. And the case of Nader's union busting was brought out by two employees who had been fired already for running an article in which Nader hadn't approved yet. So it's their word against his...and they were disgruntled employees.
Also, as you well know, non profits have tight resources...even if Nader did bust up a union inside a non profit it is understandable bc how else is he going to keep these groups afloat with such limited resources. They are non-profits for a reason...because they aren't about making money, they are in place to further a cause. I posted a nice piece about the struggles of non-profit groups with unions which didn't get any respones.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I just wouldn't work for him, is all.
I would and have signed up to volunteer. And I'm doing it for the cause, and nothing else
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
it is a thread to list Ralph Naders plan, agenda, and ideas as President of the United States... this is for all the Nader supporters to showcase his specific ideas on how to address the issues...
He is also willing to debate the idea of taxing stock market transactions, where trillions change hands every day.
He will also deal with the bloated defense budget and end corporate handouts.
The neo-liberal ideology that has gripped Washington since Reagan or so will become much more conservative.
Nice dodge.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
you mean your dodge? i am asking an easy enough question and dont want the thread to get hijacked talking about some fucking pastor
i have a genuine interest in what Nader is specificaly proposing...
By lobbying to congress, bringing to light the huge injustices we face and having the balls to stand up for the people's will.
The same thing he has done throughout his career. He has fought the system and it's powers and WON in the name of what's right.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I answered your question. I can make another thread for mine if you'd rather.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5276934&postcount=8
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
He could force congress to address the issues the public cares about and let them answer to their own constituents as to why they decided not to support them and face not being re-elected. That's the way our democracy is supposed to work. Congress answers the people's demands and represents the people who voted them in. Is this what is happening now? Not even close. So, I'm ready to change all that.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Say Nader wins with 35% of the vote (McCain has 34% and the Democrat has 31%). 35% is not the will of the majority of the nation PLUS the Dems and Republicans in Congress know that 35% didnt vote for their party anyway so I dont believe they would yield to Nader's ideas (or any other third party President). That is why I think change has to start in Congress with a viable third party to get anything done. A mere 5% representation in Congress by a third party (because the numbers are so close between the two parties) would force the other two parties to form a coalition with it to enact some of the small party's ideas if they want their own ideas brought into law. This occurs in many European parliaments and is the best way for a small party to gain power and enact progressive agendas.
And I say we can do both. The problem is, most americans just aren't paying enough attention to the congressional races and then they generally don't get nearly the amount of coverage or stressed importance from the media. So, I think it's best to put yourself where people are paying the most attention at the moment to further your cause. Polls have shown americans are overwhelmingly in favor of Nader's ideas but he doesn't have the clout, corporate sponsorship or media coverage to get his message to the masses. Now he always get people's attention when he runs for president. He brings ignored issues into the spotlight and helps to guide the major candidates towards his ideas or face losing votes. Him running is a good thing, it keeps the others more honest and gives a voice to those of us who the system ignores. Win or lose Nader should run. If he won, I think he would do very well. Just look at his accomplishments listed in the link I gave earlier. he fought the odds and the powers that be to gain those goals too...he doesn't back down from an uphill battle. I have no doubt Nader would get the job done. It would be a welcome change to the elected officials in our gov't now who don't address the needs and concerns of the people...they only pander and promise the sky on election years and then spend their terms falling far below expectations, to where we don't, as a country, even expect them to do anything anymore, to do their job and represent our voices. I can't keep supporting such a sorry, broken system. I want real change.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUTkg-zt6S8
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
i wasnt harping you for the answers, i respect your answer... i dont want to pick a fight with ya
Why is this specific to Nader? This is a problem that every president has to deal with.
in this thread i was hoping for more of HIS agenda and ideas...
not even anything from when he ran in 2000 or 2004? i mean whats going on here folks... :rolleyes:
Oh c'mon, I've been looking for a little scuffle all day!
Grrrr
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
But it's the same. He still backs a single payer plan.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Nader would have both parties against him, not just one.
Why? Just because he's not a member of their party? Isn't that a bit silly? I think he would bring to the table issues both parties could work with him on.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
not only that but the only source i could find was the guy who had been fired (then filed for a union)...on his blog a girl posted saying she was fired w/ him and she still voted for nader in 2000.
did your research turn this up as well, my2hands? you said you were gonna do more reading on it
but my favorite part was his complaint:
"Ralph would sometimes call asking me to work on sunny weekend days."
boofuckinghoo
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way