counting bodies like sheep

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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Because they are delusional. Caught up in the indoctrination of nationalism, waving the flag, cheering for a massacre, praising their deity and worshiping their idols, protecting corruption. These people are brain-washed and they don't even know it. It's who they are. It's Hitler youth taken to the next level, it's embedded in education, national anthem, society at large. It's a superiority complex, a fundamental attribution error, part of the human fallacy. I suppose anyone could be a herder, as long as they realize first that they are a sheep.

    I think blaming it on brain washing is a copout. I think people are more responsible for their own actions than that.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    know1 wrote:
    I think blaming it on brain washing is a copout. I think people are more responsible for their own actions than that.

    Then why ask the question why?

    See, you are looking for causality 'Why do people join the military?'

    If there is a cause for their decision, then they've hardly any choice in the matter and could therefor not be responsible for their own action.

    So, maybe we should never ask "Why" and dispell of this delusion; causality.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    self-brainwashing is the worst and most subtle kind there is. Obviously the little oval office ego stroke meetings serve only to enhance the self-brainfucking process. That much would seem to be apparent using basic observation skills.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Then why ask the question why?

    See, you are looking for causality 'Why do people join the military?'

    If there is a cause for their decision, then they've hardly any choice in the matter and could therefor not be responsible for their own action.

    So, maybe we should never ask "Why" and dispell of this delusion; causality.

    You can believe that the individual has free will and still ask them about their motivation for their actions.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    know1 wrote:
    Some chance. I'm going to guess that some might have been TOLD that it was the only way to go to college, but it's certainly not true for most.


    Maybe not for people from YOUR neighborhood, but where i come from...
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    cornnifer wrote:
    Maybe not for people from YOUR neighborhood, but where i come from...

    What neighborhood is that? I worked at least 30 hours per week during college and full time in the summers. My parents chipped in a very small percentage of my college funds and I paid for the rest.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    know1 wrote:
    You can believe that the individual has free will and still ask them about their motivation for their actions.

    What's the point?

    With free-will, motivation is irrelevant.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Ahnimus wrote:
    What's the point?

    With free-will, motivation is irrelevant.

    Maybe free will was a poor choice of words. I meant the individual can be solely responsible for their actions and you can still ask them why they did it.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • seagoat2
    seagoat2 Posts: 241
    There's (one) more kid
    that will never go to school
    Never get to fall in love,
    never get to be cool.

    Neil Young - RITFW - Somehow this quote seemed appropriate in this thread..

    This is sooo sad.....I wonder how Bush/Cheney, & others sleep at night.....???
    Hope they like each other, they will be spending a lot of time in Hell together......
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    know1 wrote:
    Maybe free will was a poor choice of words. I meant the individual can be solely responsible for their actions and you can still ask them why they did it.

    Ok, but you think they are immune to brain-washing?

    The way I see it, we are mostly all brain-washed. Except Angelica and myself, and maybe FFG, Baraka, Abook, El_Kabong I'm not so sure about, Soulsinging is coming around, can't forget catefrances she doesn't even use caps. Did I miss anyone? Jlew, L_E, OLS, mostly just republican robots under the guise of religious revelation. Ok, don't hit me.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    some people take the time to thoughtfully prepare and experience their food to discern all the different flavors.

    Others are happy to just gobble down what's put in front of them.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    macgyver06 wrote:
    Freedom isn't Free... i love this ideal :)

    redneck wisdom

    Freedom cost a buck o' 5.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Ok, but you think they are immune to brain-washing?

    The way I see it, we are mostly all brain-washed. Except Angelica and myself, and maybe FFG, Baraka, Abook, El_Kabong I'm not so sure about, Soulsinging is coming around, can't forget catefrances she doesn't even use caps. Did I miss anyone? Jlew, L_E, OLS, mostly just republican robots under the guise of religious revelation. Ok, don't hit me.

    I do not think EVERYONE is immune to brain washing, but I think too many people whip that term out far too quickly and easily. I think they're mistaking it with "influenced" or "experiences".
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    know1 wrote:
    I do not think EVERYONE is immune to brain washing, but I think too many people whip that term out far too quickly and easily. I think they're mistaking it with "influenced" or "experiences".

    There is a thin line there.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    Freedom cost a buck o' 5.

    these lives are worth roughly 52 cents a gallon i thought...but gas is going back up now that we control it :)

    who could have ever saw this coming??


    price gouge own citizens? BRILLIANT! BRILLIANT!
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I've watched people I know well become hypnotized or brainwashed on stage in 10 mins flat. It's definitely real, and quite scary.

    The effects were not limited to just being on stage either. Their trigger was to snap out of it next time they went to the bathroom.

    MY one buddy was sweating heavily, eyes dilated, strange expression. We followed him into the washroom to watch him snap out of it... he was totally confused and pretty messed up.

    Very interesting to witness.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • mdigenakis
    mdigenakis Posts: 1,337
    know1 wrote:
    Why do people join the military? I still can't figure out why they do. It seems to me the only guaranteed way to stay off this list is to not enlist.
    to stay off the poverty list, at least for a few years.
    "Don't let the darkness eat you up..."

    -Greg Dulli

  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    When you hit rock bottom....the Army is there to pull you up, and ship you out to meet the reaper.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    know1 wrote:
    All wars are a disgrace. I still don't understand the mentality of someone joining an organization whose ultimate mission is probably going to involve killing someone.

    The honorable idea is to defend against someone who's ultimate mission is going to involve killing you.
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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    know1 wrote:
    What neighborhood is that? I worked at least 30 hours per week during college and full time in the summers. My parents chipped in a very small percentage of my college funds and I paid for the rest.

    Thats nice. i worked, saved and paid for my degree as well, but, the point is alot of people join the military due to lack of any other college opprotunities. ALOT. Ask 'em.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."

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