if religion is supposed to be good...

surferdude

callen wrote:

true true......fortunately most Christian values align with mine....but some?!?!?! Intolerance..etc....those are just mean...and mean people suck.

To the heart of my post.....and I am one that jumps up and down when forced to listen to voodoo (-: don't force your ramblings on me. Also when my freedoms are limited....due to the insecurity of others...well I'm jumping jumping.....(-:

Also.....about people like me.....you can do what ever you want in you house...as long as it doesn't hurt other people..go at it....thats not the case with the "other side". Again not directed at you...but...my fellow Christian Texas neighbors...yes. Hell we still can't buy beer before Noon on Sunday...and no liquor....just a couple examples......their values forced on me.

Peace.

Well unless you are for a complete free and open economic and cultural system you probably want to force your values on others. Wether it be demanding that Wal-Mart pharmacies carry the morning after pill. Or legislating a speed limit on city streets. We all want to impose our values on others. It's just sad when the finger is only pointed at religious groups for doing this, when we all do it.

negationist

look at the Hindus. Hinduism has only done good for this world. No wars or terrorism has been carried out in the name of Hinduism. The Hindus are a whole lot of god fearing honest people who live and let live. The other major religions might do well to take a page out of the Hindu text book.

Abookamongstthemany

surferdude wrote:

Well unless you are for a complete free and open economic and cultural system you probably want to force your values on others. Wether it be demanding that Wal-Mart pharmacies carry the morning after pill. Or legislating a speed limit on city streets. We all want to impose our values on others. It's just sad when the finger is only pointed at religious groups for doing this, when we all do it.

I think if the 'values' have a logical reason for being there then it is completely different. Logically, speed limits keep us safer. Logically, the morning after pill can help ensure not getting pregnant when it's unwanted. Religious beliefs like don't kill and steal also have logical reasoning but these beliefs that are simply based on faith and have no logic have no place in our law books. Those are left to the believer to follow if they choose.

chopitdown

negationist wrote:

look at the Hindus. Hinduism has only done good for this world. No wars or terrorism has been carried out in the name of Hinduism. The Hindus are a whole lot of god fearing honest people who live and let live. The other major religions might do well to take a page out of the Hindu text book.

while i agree peace is a major construct of Hindu they aren't without their faults either http://www.google.com/search?q=violence+and+hindu&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&start=0&sa=N check some of the stories. They are not all live and let live...just like every other religion.

surferdude

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

.... but these beliefs that are simply based on faith and have no logic have no place in our law books.

Oh, you mean like laws that are made to specifically target one company and not based on any proven ideaology. Like the ones targeting Wal-Mart and their health plans for employees.

negationist

chopitdown wrote:

while i agree peace is a major construct of Hindu they aren't without their faults either http://www.google.com/search?q=violence+and+hindu&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&start=0&sa=N check some of the stories. They are not all live and let live...just like every other religion.

I do agree that the Hindus have been involved in some incidents, but they haven't gone out of they're way or launched into a whole war for religious purposes. Even back in the 1400s, Hinduism was spread by peaceful means. Very rarely have Hindus fought to convert people or persecuted people because they have been of a different religion. Also, the essence of Hinduism is that there is no religion, only one god and we all follow him whatever way we chose.

ezekiels_oblivion

all religions are the same...they are here just for one purpose; to explain to ''first mammals to wear pants'' the world that surrounds them. I am here now but tomorrow who knows? In religion I'm not sure but I'm sure that I do not want to die because of another man's religion nor I want sb to die because of mine. Any way all those fanatics out there are fanatics because they really believe in themselves, in their twisted beliefs not in their gods, that's just an excuse. Because of their deeds their gods must be crying... They all talk about heaven, a paradise after they die but why can't we try create it here on Earth, right now at this very moment!? Will we kill each other first or make another step in the evolution? It doesn't depend on whole human race, it depends on you!



(Atheists Are Jolly People:-)

Inky

ezekiels_oblivion wrote:

all religions are the same...they are here just for one purpose; to explain to ''first mammals to wear pants'' the world that surrounds them. I am here now but tomorrow who knows? In religion I'm not sure but I'm sure that I do not want to die because of another man's religion nor I want sb to die because of mine. Any way all those fanatics out there are fanatics because they really believe in themselves, in their twisted beliefs not in their gods, that's just an excuse. Because of their deeds their gods must be crying... They all talk about heaven, a paradise after they die but why can't we try create it here on Earth, right now at this very moment!? Will we kill each other first or make another step in the evolution? It doesn't depend on whole human race, it depends on you!



(Atheists Are Jolly People:-)

Yeah, I definitely agree! I'm an atheist because of the exact thing you say in your first sentence. Human beings always need an explanation for everything and if they don't have one, for example for the origin of the world or what happens after you die, they'll create there own.
I also think that most extremists use their religion as an excuse for what they do and that they'd find another excuse if there wouldn't be the religion.
Not religion is destroying the world, human beings are.

callen

surferdude wrote:

Well unless you are for a complete free and open economic and cultural system you probably want to force your values on others. Wether it be demanding that Wal-Mart pharmacies carry the morning after pill. Or legislating a speed limit on city streets. We all want to impose our values on others. It's just sad when the finger is only pointed at religious groups for doing this, when we all do it.

true true...but I think you can draw a line between speed limits and limiting what I drink and when in my own house...and who I'm boinking....(-: you know what I'm talking about....and it can be defined and moslty clear...really.

Abookamongstthemany

surferdude wrote:

Oh, you mean like laws that are made to specifically target one company and not based on any proven ideaology. Like the ones targeting Wal-Mart and their health plans for employees.

People logically need health insurance. You can argue about Walmart needing/not needing to provide health ins. for their employees but the need for affordable healthcare isn't just something people just pulled out of their ass.

callen

Inky wrote:

Yeah, I definitely agree! I'm an atheist because of the exact thing you say in your first sentence. Human beings always need an explanation for everything and if they don't have one, for example for the origin of the world or what happens after you die, they'll create there own.
I also think that most extremists use their religion as an excuse for what they do and that they'd find another excuse if there wouldn't be the religion.
Not religion is destroying the world, human beings are.

if it takes religion for some to chill on this planet I'm cool with that...and I also think its somewhat healthy..and in the end Human. I just don't need it....

on using to justify being a d*ck.......well mean people suck..and there are lots of religious people that are mean....ironic isn't it. God is about peace and love.

park in parking garage...and lo and behold some schmuck took up 2 parking spaces with is gas guzzling Ford F150...but he had his/her cross hanging from the mirror, so their going to heaven........soooo sad.

Inky

callen wrote:

if it takes religion for some to chill on this planet I'm cool with that...and I also think its somewhat healthy..and in the end Human. I just don't need it....

on using to justify being a d*ck.......well mean people suck..and there are lots of religious people that are mean....ironic isn't it. God is about peace and love.

park in parking garage...and lo and behold some schmuck took up 2 parking spaces with is gas guzzling Ford F150...but he had his/her cross hanging from the mirror, so their going to heaven........soooo sad.

yeah, same here...

True...maybe some people only do things like blowing themselves up (wow, I had to look that up and there actually was written "to blow oneself up" in the dictionairy...sad world...) because others tell them to, promising them that they'll go to heaven or that there families will have the possibility to live a better life afterwards...

Yes, some religous people are really not what they should be...

callen

Inky wrote:

yeah, same here...

True...maybe some people only do things like blowing themselves up (wow, I had to look that up and there actually was written "to blow oneself up" in the dictionairy...sad world...) because others tell them to, promising them that they'll go to heaven or that there families will have the possibility to live a better life afterwards...

Yes, some religous people are really not what they should be...

went to the show in Bern...and stoped by Oma's house in Offenbach....really need to get back for longer time next time......didn't eat enought bratwurst...

beachdweller

bryanfury wrote:

why is it destroying the world?

the extremist factions of the religions in question (jews, muslims, christians) have taken over and are leading the world into chaos.

i'm sick of hearing Chrisitans hear talk about "those crazy muslims" while their leaders refuse to admit global warming is real.

and i'm sick of muslim leaders saying the pope should step down (or be killed) for what he said when they preach nothing but hate for other religous groups.

and I'm sick of the Jews and their "what about me?" attitude when it comes to their oppression of Palestine.

i've fucking had it!

it seems throughout history, whenever any religion is aligned with politics/political cause it is at it's most destructive and evil

paisley

There are fanatics of every kind in the world. You can't be so ignorant as to judge entire religions because of a few morons... well, I guess you can be, but what's the point? I am a Christian and I've never uttered the phrase "those crazy mulims." I'm not an ignorant person and thus, I know not all muslims are radicals and want to blow shit up.

There is nothing evil about religion. Religion is a powerful thing... it's all in how you use it. Some people choose to use it in the wrong way.

Inky

callen wrote:

went to the show in Bern...and stoped by Oma's house in Offenbach....really need to get back for longer time next time......didn't eat enought bratwurst...

So you're German?

Well, this summer the weather was very good and everybody barbequed every day so now I'm rather tired of bratwurst...

Inky

paisley wrote:

There are fanatics of every kind in the world. You can't be so ignorant as to judge entire religions because of a few morons... well, I guess you can be, but what's the point? I am a Christian and I've never uttered the phrase "those crazy mulims." I'm not an ignorant person and thus, I know not all muslims are radicals and want to blow shit up.

There is nothing evil about religion. Religion is a powerful thing... it's all in how you use it. Some people choose to use it in the wrong way.

agreed! (at least the first part)

bryanfury

paisley wrote:

There are fanatics of every kind in the world. You can't be so ignorant as to judge entire religions because of a few morons... well, I guess you can be, but what's the point? I am a Christian and I've never uttered the phrase "those crazy mulims." I'm not an ignorant person and thus, I know not all muslims are radicals and want to blow shit up.

There is nothing evil about religion. Religion is a powerful thing... it's all in how you use it. Some people choose to use it in the wrong way.

right, and the people using it in the wrong way are using it to facilitate the destruction of the world. i agree that 90% of religous people are good, peace loving people. But the other 10% is taking control.

ezekiels_oblivion

I think that religious people are very happy because they found peace in a way; they are not troubled with various thoughts like ''Why am I here?, What's my purpose in this whole mess we're living in?'' But on the other hand there is a danger when that ''non-wondering'' becomes a stupidity of telling other people how to live by their rules...it becomes apsurd - their fixation with their beliefs that they think are 100% true just because of a fact that they believe in it. Believe what you want, whatever fits your mind & soul but please don't rub it on my face. oh yeah and; 1 single person does not and cannot represent the whole group of people, that are just human prejudices.

Ahnimus

Inky wrote:

So you're German?

Well, this summer the weather was very good and everybody barbequed every day so now I'm rather tired of bratwurst...

Grosse, lol

Ich meine, das ist widerlich. Bratwurst, Blutwurst, alles ist schlecht. Rabatt, ich weiss nicht.