I don't think Wal-Mart is at fault here. She was awarded a settlement that should have covered her and them. Blame the greedy lawyers who took more than half or blame the jury for not giving her more to live on. Walmart did nothing wrong. If you are saying they shouldn't recover what she was given because they have lots of money then why shouldn't they just give everyone who becomes disabled that works at Walmart an extra $400k just to be nice.
They prey on those without many means in this country. Use foreign labor to cut their costs and increase their already huge profits. They use the best lobbyists to re peel tax laws which gives them largest tax breaks in this country.
I once worked for SamsClub which is part of the Wal Mart empire and IT is known before being hired that their health insurance is one of the worst in this country. However many people have NO choice but to accept what is given and THIS corporate giant KNOWS this.
When I see managers and corporate managers ACCEPT the insurance given to the floor employees then I may believe they'll have a better foot to stand on.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I think it's important to note that they did pay out originally. After she received an additional settlement to cover her fees, they sought reimbursement.
After all, she was essentially double-dipping.
How was she double dipping? How is a lady, who has such sever brain damage that she cannot even remember that her son is dead AND cannot take care of herself be double dipping.
You guys are acting like this lady is trying to pull one over on WM.
First of all the 90 billion comes directly from the article i linked to. i quoted it a few posts ago. You can go back and read it. Who are you? The fucking book keeper for walmart? Besides it still doesn't matter. If their is a hard number, first of all you'd have to cut out your fucking heart and replace it with a charred rock and a business 101 textbook to recogize it. secondly, if there is a hard number, its waaaay below even the 13 billion you keep insisting on.
You don't seem to grasp the difference between NET SALES and PROFIT.
Her husband and attorney were seeking money for the purpose of being able care for and maintain his wife, now that she's basically incapable of taking care of herself or contributing to the household finances; as a result of the accident.
The cost of caring for her, for the remainder of her life, will be enormous.
Those kind of costs can and often do destroy a familes finances; therefore destroying their quality of life, the ability to put their children through school/college and any possibility of living a comfortable life after retirement.
That's why people seek more money for damages, pain and suffering.
Why should this man and his daughter be shackled and anchored with enormous medical, health care and prescription bills, for the rest of their lives, to the point where they would eventually end up bankrupt and lose everything; because someone severely damaged his wife and destroyed their lives with their reckless driving?
This accident essentially and effectively robbed this man of his wife and their children of a mother.
How was she double dipping? How is a lady, who has such sever brain damage that she cannot even remember that her son is dead AND cannot take care of herself be double dipping.
You guys are acting like this lady is trying to pull one over on WM.
It might have been an accident, but she basically got paid twice for the same insurance claim.
That, by definition, is double-dipping.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
It might have been an accident, but she basically got paid twice for the same insurance claim.
That, by definition, is double-dipping.
SHE didn't double dip. SHE cannot make her own decisions regarding this issue, therefore it is impossible for her to double dip. Now this lady has to suffer because someone who was supposed to be looking out for her best interests fucked up.
Now this lady has to suffer because someone who was supposed to be looking out for her best interests fucked up.
Yes, that is exactly right. Her lawyer fucked up big time by not factoring the insurance liability into the settlement. She should be suing her lawyer. He's the real crook in this story. He took almost 60% of the settlement. Greedy fucking lawyer.
Yes, that is exactly right. Her lawyer fucked up big time by not factoring the insurance liability into the settlement. She should be suing her lawyer. He's the real crook in this story. He took almost 60% of the settlement. Greedy fucking lawyer.
SHE didn't double dip. SHE cannot make her own decisions regarding this issue, therefore it is impossible for her to double dip. Now this lady has to suffer because someone who was supposed to be looking out for her best interests fucked up.
Fucked up ALL the way around.
What a weird way to argue this issue. Yes - she did not pre-meditated the double-dipping, but it IS occurring.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I love shopping at Walmart. No one beats their prices on anything. On a typical visit I save 20-30%. More power to 'em! Keep rollin' back those savings!
I got an idea for a walmart comercial.
It could show a carpenter makin a really nice chair, then cut to cheap labor in china making a cheap version of the same chair ten times faster.
But it's not of her doing. So she should not have to suffer because of someone else's screw ups.
"She should not have to suffer because of someone eles's screw ups"
Did your mom ever tell you, "sometimes life just isn't fair"?
I'm truly sorry for this lady,
but the above comment is the furthest thing away from anything resembling a legitimate argument. In fact, it is not even an argument. It is just a statement of sad reality perverted into a cry of injustice.
"Innocent" people get fucked over by life all the time and sadly, most of them don't have some giant corporation that they can try to redirect the blame onto in hopes of collecting half a million dollars for their misery. What makes this lady so special?
:cool:
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
"She should not have to suffer because of someone eles's screw ups"
Did your mom ever tell you, "sometimes life just isn't fair"?
I'm truly sorry for this lady,
but the above comment is the furthest thing away from anything resembling a legitimate argument. In fact, it is not even an argument. It is just a statement of sad reality perverted into a cry of injustice.
"Innocent" people get fucked over by life all the time and sadly, most of them don't have some giant corporation that they can try to redirect the blame onto in hopes of collecting half a million dollars for their misery. What makes this lady so special?
:cool:
As far as I know, I wasn't trying to present an argument. I don't feel any different for this lady than I do for anyone else getting fucked over in a way that's unstoppable, especially when they're having a really shitty life at the moment.
But it's not of her doing. So she should not have to suffer because of someone else's screw ups.
She basically spent money that didn't belong to her. I feel bad she didn't read the fine print, and frankly, if I'm Wal-Mart I might quietly let this slide to avoid the bad press ... but seriously, she got paid twice. Someone needed to point this out to her.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
She basically spent money that didn't belong to her. I feel bad she didn't read the fine print, and frankly, if I'm Wal-Mart I might quietly let this slide to avoid the bad press ... but seriously, she got paid twice. Someone needed to point this out to her.
How do you point something out to a lady who has such a badly damaged brain that she can't even remember her son is dead. She cannot take care of herself. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't think she'd be able to grasp the finer points of a contract.
Update: Wal-Mart no longer seeks money from disabled ex-worker
Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:26 PM PT
By Rich Gardella and Lisa Myers, NBC News
On Saturday's Nightly News, NBC News Senior Investigative Correspondent Lisa Myers reported on Deborah Shank, a former employee of Wal-Mart permanently disabled in a car accident eight years ago. Wal-Mart's health plan had moved to collect some of the settlement money she won in a lawsuit against a trucking firm in order to reimburse itself for the more than $470,000 in medical expenses it had paid for Shank.
Although it had just contacted Shank's attorney to begin the process of actually collecting the money from Shank and her husband, Wal-Mart announced Tuesday it had reversed its decision and said that it no longer will seek any reimbursement from the Shanks.
Wal-Mart had won its case in several courts over the past few years. Recently, the Supreme Court declined to hear Shank's appeal.
Both CNN and NBC News broadcast Shank's story last week, generating a large viewer response.
"We have decided to modify our plan to allow us more discretion for individual cases, and are in the final stages of working out the details," Wal-Mart's statement, released Tuesday, reads. "Wal-Mart will not seek any reimbursement for the money already spent on Ms. Shank's care, and we will work with the family to ensure the remaining amounts in the trust can be used for her ongoing care."
Wal-Mart ended its statement with an apology "for any additional stress this has put on the Shank family."
Jim Shank, Deborah's husbnad, released a statement in response: "I am grateful that Wal-Mart has seen their error and decided to rectify it. I just wish it hadn't taken them so long, this never should have happened. I sincerely hope no other family ever has to go through this.
"My thanks go first and foremost to my lord and savior Jesus Christ for the strength to bear up under all this. Thanks also to the citizens of the United States - it wasn't me who made this happen, it was the outcry of the people, and if there's a lesson in this story it's that 'we the people' still means something."
Update: Wal-Mart no longer seeks money from disabled ex-worker
Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:26 PM PT
By Rich Gardella and Lisa Myers, NBC News
On Saturday's Nightly News, NBC News Senior Investigative Correspondent Lisa Myers reported on Deborah Shank, a former employee of Wal-Mart permanently disabled in a car accident eight years ago. Wal-Mart's health plan had moved to collect some of the settlement money she won in a lawsuit against a trucking firm in order to reimburse itself for the more than $470,000 in medical expenses it had paid for Shank.
Although it had just contacted Shank's attorney to begin the process of actually collecting the money from Shank and her husband, Wal-Mart announced Tuesday it had reversed its decision and said that it no longer will seek any reimbursement from the Shanks.
Wal-Mart had won its case in several courts over the past few years. Recently, the Supreme Court declined to hear Shank's appeal.
Both CNN and NBC News broadcast Shank's story last week, generating a large viewer response.
"We have decided to modify our plan to allow us more discretion for individual cases, and are in the final stages of working out the details," Wal-Mart's statement, released Tuesday, reads. "Wal-Mart will not seek any reimbursement for the money already spent on Ms. Shank's care, and we will work with the family to ensure the remaining amounts in the trust can be used for her ongoing care."
Wal-Mart ended its statement with an apology "for any additional stress this has put on the Shank family."
Jim Shank, Deborah's husbnad, released a statement in response: "I am grateful that Wal-Mart has seen their error and decided to rectify it. I just wish it hadn't taken them so long, this never should have happened. I sincerely hope no other family ever has to go through this.
"My thanks go first and foremost to my lord and savior Jesus Christ for the strength to bear up under all this. Thanks also to the citizens of the United States - it wasn't me who made this happen, it was the outcry of the people, and if there's a lesson in this story it's that 'we the people' still means something."
How do you point something out to a lady who has such a badly damaged brain that she can't even remember her son is dead. She cannot take care of herself. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't think she'd be able to grasp the finer points of a contract.
This is going to make me sound insensitive ... so much so that I hesitate to even post it ... but here goes:
Maybe, if she's that badly brain damaged, she doesn't need to be working. The government will give her disability ... which, come to think of it, is probably more than she was making at Wal-Mart.
At the very least, somebody needed to be looking out for her. If not, it's their fault. The fact still remains she got paid twice for the same claim ...
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Update: Wal-Mart no longer seeks money from disabled ex-worker
Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:26 PM PT
By Rich Gardella and Lisa Myers, NBC News
On Saturday's Nightly News, NBC News Senior Investigative Correspondent Lisa Myers reported on Deborah Shank, a former employee of Wal-Mart permanently disabled in a car accident eight years ago. Wal-Mart's health plan had moved to collect some of the settlement money she won in a lawsuit against a trucking firm in order to reimburse itself for the more than $470,000 in medical expenses it had paid for Shank.
Although it had just contacted Shank's attorney to begin the process of actually collecting the money from Shank and her husband, Wal-Mart announced Tuesday it had reversed its decision and said that it no longer will seek any reimbursement from the Shanks.
Wal-Mart had won its case in several courts over the past few years. Recently, the Supreme Court declined to hear Shank's appeal.
Both CNN and NBC News broadcast Shank's story last week, generating a large viewer response.
"We have decided to modify our plan to allow us more discretion for individual cases, and are in the final stages of working out the details," Wal-Mart's statement, released Tuesday, reads. "Wal-Mart will not seek any reimbursement for the money already spent on Ms. Shank's care, and we will work with the family to ensure the remaining amounts in the trust can be used for her ongoing care."
Wal-Mart ended its statement with an apology "for any additional stress this has put on the Shank family."
Jim Shank, Deborah's husbnad, released a statement in response: "I am grateful that Wal-Mart has seen their error and decided to rectify it. I just wish it hadn't taken them so long, this never should have happened. I sincerely hope no other family ever has to go through this.
"My thanks go first and foremost to my lord and savior Jesus Christ for the strength to bear up under all this. Thanks also to the citizens of the United States - it wasn't me who made this happen, it was the outcry of the people, and if there's a lesson in this story it's that 'we the people' still means something."
That's good to hear.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
I love shopping at Walmart. No one beats their prices on anything. On a typical visit I save 20-30%. More power to 'em! Keep rollin' back those savings!
i seriously hope that was a joke. I recently went to a walmart in north carolina, that place had a supermarket,whatever a normal walmart has, a nail salon, a food area, and a tanning place all in one. it disgusted me. To think all of these people in this small north carolina town are limited to this absolute garbage store.
anyway that article is fucked up. I could care less about this "read the fine print" bullshit. What kind of company gives health benefits and then says they have the right to sue you to get the money back?
and last time i checked, wal mart is one of, or the biggest company in the usa, $417,000 is probably nothing to them, those greedy pieces of shits.
This is going to make me sound insensitive ... so much so that I hesitate to even post it ... but here goes:
Maybe, if she's that badly brain damaged, she doesn't need to be working. The government will give her disability ... which, come to think of it, is probably more than she was making at Wal-Mart.
At the very least, somebody needed to be looking out for her. If not, it's their fault. The fact still remains she got paid twice for the same claim ...
She's not working. Nor able to take care of herself, which is why they need every penny they can get. hell, her husband divorced her so she could get more money through technicalities. But whatever. It's over. She's getting what she deserves, instead of the usual.
I recently went to a walmart in north carolina, that place had a supermarket,whatever a normal walmart has, a nail salon, a food area, and a tanning place all in one. it disgusted me.
I know. The nerve! Making things convenient for people. Can you believe it?
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
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neither does being a first class scumbag, I guess.
Not even a little.
They prey on those without many means in this country. Use foreign labor to cut their costs and increase their already huge profits. They use the best lobbyists to re peel tax laws which gives them largest tax breaks in this country.
I once worked for SamsClub which is part of the Wal Mart empire and IT is known before being hired that their health insurance is one of the worst in this country. However many people have NO choice but to accept what is given and THIS corporate giant KNOWS this.
When I see managers and corporate managers ACCEPT the insurance given to the floor employees then I may believe they'll have a better foot to stand on.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
How was she double dipping? How is a lady, who has such sever brain damage that she cannot even remember that her son is dead AND cannot take care of herself be double dipping.
You guys are acting like this lady is trying to pull one over on WM.
You don't seem to grasp the difference between NET SALES and PROFIT.
www.myspace.com/jensvad
Her husband and attorney were seeking money for the purpose of being able care for and maintain his wife, now that she's basically incapable of taking care of herself or contributing to the household finances; as a result of the accident.
The cost of caring for her, for the remainder of her life, will be enormous.
Those kind of costs can and often do destroy a familes finances; therefore destroying their quality of life, the ability to put their children through school/college and any possibility of living a comfortable life after retirement.
That's why people seek more money for damages, pain and suffering.
Why should this man and his daughter be shackled and anchored with enormous medical, health care and prescription bills, for the rest of their lives, to the point where they would eventually end up bankrupt and lose everything; because someone severely damaged his wife and destroyed their lives with their reckless driving?
This accident essentially and effectively robbed this man of his wife and their children of a mother.
Maybe I've got this all wrong, and you can correct me.
But it sounds to me that this woman got paid TWICE for the same claim (once via insurance claim, once via the courts).
So why shouldn't the insurance get their money back?
for the least they could possibly do
It might have been an accident, but she basically got paid twice for the same insurance claim.
That, by definition, is double-dipping.
for the least they could possibly do
SHE didn't double dip. SHE cannot make her own decisions regarding this issue, therefore it is impossible for her to double dip. Now this lady has to suffer because someone who was supposed to be looking out for her best interests fucked up.
Fucked up ALL the way around.
Yes, that is exactly right. Her lawyer fucked up big time by not factoring the insurance liability into the settlement. She should be suing her lawyer. He's the real crook in this story. He took almost 60% of the settlement. Greedy fucking lawyer.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
The problem is she can't. She's helpless.
She has legal guardians.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
What a weird way to argue this issue. Yes - she did not pre-meditated the double-dipping, but it IS occurring.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjSlEDOyNc8
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Nice find and I totally agree this was the worst.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
But it's not of her doing. So she should not have to suffer because of someone else's screw ups.
It could show a carpenter makin a really nice chair, then cut to cheap labor in china making a cheap version of the same chair ten times faster.
then it says...Walmart-fuckin the little guy.
"She should not have to suffer because of someone eles's screw ups"
Did your mom ever tell you, "sometimes life just isn't fair"?
I'm truly sorry for this lady,
but the above comment is the furthest thing away from anything resembling a legitimate argument. In fact, it is not even an argument. It is just a statement of sad reality perverted into a cry of injustice.
"Innocent" people get fucked over by life all the time and sadly, most of them don't have some giant corporation that they can try to redirect the blame onto in hopes of collecting half a million dollars for their misery. What makes this lady so special?
:cool:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
As far as I know, I wasn't trying to present an argument. I don't feel any different for this lady than I do for anyone else getting fucked over in a way that's unstoppable, especially when they're having a really shitty life at the moment.
She basically spent money that didn't belong to her. I feel bad she didn't read the fine print, and frankly, if I'm Wal-Mart I might quietly let this slide to avoid the bad press ... but seriously, she got paid twice. Someone needed to point this out to her.
for the least they could possibly do
How do you point something out to a lady who has such a badly damaged brain that she can't even remember her son is dead. She cannot take care of herself. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't think she'd be able to grasp the finer points of a contract.
http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/01/848981.aspx
Update: Wal-Mart no longer seeks money from disabled ex-worker
Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:26 PM PT
By Rich Gardella and Lisa Myers, NBC News
On Saturday's Nightly News, NBC News Senior Investigative Correspondent Lisa Myers reported on Deborah Shank, a former employee of Wal-Mart permanently disabled in a car accident eight years ago. Wal-Mart's health plan had moved to collect some of the settlement money she won in a lawsuit against a trucking firm in order to reimburse itself for the more than $470,000 in medical expenses it had paid for Shank.
Although it had just contacted Shank's attorney to begin the process of actually collecting the money from Shank and her husband, Wal-Mart announced Tuesday it had reversed its decision and said that it no longer will seek any reimbursement from the Shanks.
Wal-Mart had won its case in several courts over the past few years. Recently, the Supreme Court declined to hear Shank's appeal.
Both CNN and NBC News broadcast Shank's story last week, generating a large viewer response.
"We have decided to modify our plan to allow us more discretion for individual cases, and are in the final stages of working out the details," Wal-Mart's statement, released Tuesday, reads. "Wal-Mart will not seek any reimbursement for the money already spent on Ms. Shank's care, and we will work with the family to ensure the remaining amounts in the trust can be used for her ongoing care."
Wal-Mart ended its statement with an apology "for any additional stress this has put on the Shank family."
Jim Shank, Deborah's husbnad, released a statement in response: "I am grateful that Wal-Mart has seen their error and decided to rectify it. I just wish it hadn't taken them so long, this never should have happened. I sincerely hope no other family ever has to go through this.
"My thanks go first and foremost to my lord and savior Jesus Christ for the strength to bear up under all this. Thanks also to the citizens of the United States - it wasn't me who made this happen, it was the outcry of the people, and if there's a lesson in this story it's that 'we the people' still means something."
Awesome.
This is going to make me sound insensitive ... so much so that I hesitate to even post it ... but here goes:
Maybe, if she's that badly brain damaged, she doesn't need to be working. The government will give her disability ... which, come to think of it, is probably more than she was making at Wal-Mart.
At the very least, somebody needed to be looking out for her. If not, it's their fault. The fact still remains she got paid twice for the same claim ...
for the least they could possibly do
That's good to hear.
for the least they could possibly do
i seriously hope that was a joke. I recently went to a walmart in north carolina, that place had a supermarket,whatever a normal walmart has, a nail salon, a food area, and a tanning place all in one. it disgusted me. To think all of these people in this small north carolina town are limited to this absolute garbage store.
anyway that article is fucked up. I could care less about this "read the fine print" bullshit. What kind of company gives health benefits and then says they have the right to sue you to get the money back?
and last time i checked, wal mart is one of, or the biggest company in the usa, $417,000 is probably nothing to them, those greedy pieces of shits.
8/7/08, 6/9/09
She's not working. Nor able to take care of herself, which is why they need every penny they can get. hell, her husband divorced her so she could get more money through technicalities. But whatever. It's over. She's getting what she deserves, instead of the usual.
I know. The nerve! Making things convenient for people. Can you believe it?
for the least they could possibly do