Church of Satan

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

The thing is the esoteric aspects of all the religions (those that have the esoteric "hidden" aspects anyway) are all basically the same. And it's the same dynamics utilized by top achievers, athletes and alpha males/females that give them the advantage/edge over the output of "mediocre" folks. Not to mention those in power of the masses using these principles. It's about visualization/imagination coupled with intense emotional affirmation in the moment--a complete knowing/faith that one's visualized goal is in the process of happening before it shows up physically. The universal principles are in place, for those who dare to believe........they are all based on known principles of the unconscious.

There is a reason why these "secret" teachings are often shrouded in mystery and ritual. The masses do not accept these universal principles. And beyond accepting them, shun those who entertain their effectiveness. Oh well.

That's not magic. I believe it's called Norepinephrine

angelica

soulsinging wrote:

sounds like not magic to me.

Maybe. Some people may need to dress up in robes and use incantations to generate deep subconscious belief, whether Satanist of Christian. In the end, if you can create beyond what is normal, it can appear miraculous. I happen to believe magic is perfectly normal and that the average person has been taught to go along and do as they are told and are not taught to use their true personal power. And yet this power is the natural birthright for every one of us. It's there at our fingertips ready be be used to create our very dreams.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

That's not magic. I believe it's called Norepinephrine

That may be a piece of it, on the physical chemical level. I'm also talking about the social, cultural, and subjective experience levels integrated with the physical levels. I'm talking about when you set out to create and you by developing your thought processes empower yourself beyond your wildest dreams.

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

That may be a piece of it, on the physical chemical level. I'm also talking about the social, cultural, and subjective experience levels integrated with the physical levels. I'm talking about when you set out to create and you by developing your thought processes empower yourself beyond your wildest dreams.

Yea ok, but thoughts to me are a product of smaller events, both chemical and quantum.

Jeremy1012

angelica wrote:

Interesting that you see it that way. To me it sounds like the rules Christians resonate to work for them, and yet for you , the Satantic rules may resonate for your purposes. To each their own. In the end, they are still rules and whether they help you or hinder you seems to depend on your perspective.

that's fair enough and I respect your opinion but it seems to me that christian rules seem to be essentially repressive in nature and I can't comprehend why anyone would want to apply them to their lives. I'm far from a satanist but, given a choice between the two, I would be more likely to opt for something that professed a libertarian take on religion.

Ahnimus

I don't like that word Libertarianism.

I'm all for it on a political level, but as for the actual way people work, I'm dead against it.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

Yea ok, but thoughts to me are a product of smaller events, both chemical and quantum.

You and I have talked about getting into the zone. There is far more we can accomplish with our minds than the average person realizes. Just like the more indepthly we analyze a situation, the more we understand about it, the more indepth our focus on our goals, on all levels, the more 'magically' we can create to degrees that others cannot fathom. I wouldn't go so far as joining a church, donning robes and following the rules, myself, Satanic or otherwise.

ThumbingMyWay32

angelica wrote:

You and I have talked about getting into the zone. There is far more we can accomplish with our minds than the average person realizes. Just like the more indepthly we analyze a situation, the more we understand about it, the more indepth our focus on our goals, on all levels, the more 'magically' we can create to degrees that others cannot fathom. I wouldn't go so far as joining a church, donning robes and following the rules, myself, Satanic or otherwise.

Are you referring to the kind of "zone" that Jerry Rice was in during the 1989 Superbowl vs. Cincinatti?

angelica

Jeremy1012 wrote:

that's fair enough and I respect your opinion but it seems to me that christian rules seem to be essentially repressive in nature and I can't comprehend why anyone would want to apply them to their lives. I'm far from a satanist but, given a choice between the two, I would be more likely to opt for something that professed a libertarian take on religion.

Tomato, tom-ah-to. You might think it is freeing to "destroy" someone who bothers you, rather than turning the other cheek. I'm a very strong-willed, independent person, but I very much resonate to solutions to my problems that don't have "dark" ramifications....like the ramification of 'destroying' another human on any level. I find love and peace liberating, and I find destruction limiting. So while I'm an independent thinker, and a "leader" type of person, I can see that at heart, these are about two different approaches and yet they are similar.

In the end, I use my own personal philosophies, picking and choosing what works for me, rather than follow any one school of thought. It looks like those towards the top of the hierarchy of the Satanic church may be liberated, and yet, the average follower is just that....a follower....abiding by rules passed down. The idea of the anti-religion that includes liberation IS a good selling point, though.

Collin

angelica wrote:

Tomato, tom-ah-to.

That made me laugh! Thanks.

angelica

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

Are you referring to the kind of "zone" that Jerry Rice was in during the 1989 Superbowl vs. Cincinatti?

Maybe, if he's an athlete who has achieved essentially supra-normal results.

Hey! I just looked him up! I'm distracted by the fact that I watched him on "Dancing with the Stars"! I don't think he was as much in the zone for his dancing though.

angelica

Collin wrote:

That made me laugh! Thanks.

Alex_Coe

I'm totally joining this cult.

Not.

Well, I'll think about it-

Maybe.

PJ_Saluki

jlew24asu wrote:

its better to reign in hell then serve in heaven

I always thought it was better to burn out...than fade away.

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

You and I have talked about getting into the zone. There is far more we can accomplish with our minds than the average person realizes. Just like the more indepthly we analyze a situation, the more we understand about it, the more indepth our focus on our goals, on all levels, the more 'magically' we can create to degrees that others cannot fathom. I wouldn't go so far as joining a church, donning robes and following the rules, myself, Satanic or otherwise.

I agree with you in most part. Although, sometimes if you think about a word long enough the word sounds stupid.

angelica

jlew24asu wrote:

I just saw The Prestige last night. awesome movie!!!!

I'm completely oblivious to what movies are around because I don't have any connection to the mainstream media, but I did a short check on the movie. It looks very good. I think I'll rent it sometime.

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

I agree with you in most part. Although, sometimes if you think about a word long enough the word sounds stupid.

Wait a minute.....you're sounding suspiciously like chat-Animus (without the "h")......friendly, and agreeable!

angelica

Ahnimus wrote:

I don't like that word Libertarianism.

I'm all for it on a political level, but as for the actual way people work, I'm dead against it.

Why are you dead against it?

soulsinging

angelica wrote:

Maybe. Some people may need to dress up in robes and use incantations to generate deep subconscious belief, whether Satanist of Christian. In the end, if you can create beyond what is normal, it can appear miraculous. I happen to believe magic is perfectly normal and that the average person has been taught to go along and do as they are told and are not taught to use their true personal power. And yet this power is the natural birthright for every one of us. It's there at our fingertips ready be be used to create our very dreams.

it's semantics. you call it magic. i don't think there's anything magical about it. in the same sense, ahnimus's description of determinism is indistinguishable from free will to me. it's a distinction in philosophy and terminology only... the practical difference is nonexistent.

Ahnimus

angelica wrote:

Why are you dead against it?

Incompatibalist non-determinist