vegetarian? pros & cons.

onelongsong

CLA (conjugated linoleic acid) is a cancer-fighting fat that is most abundant in grassfed products. Two new European studies link a diet high in CLA with a lower risk of breast cancer. In Finland, researchers measured CLA levels in the serum of women with and without breast cancer. Those women with the most CLA had a significantly lower risk of the disease. Meanwhile, French researchers measured CLA levels in the breast tissues of 360 women. Once again, the women with the most CLA had the lowest risk of cancer. In fact, the women with the most CLA had a staggering 74% lower risk of breast cancer than the women with the least CLA.
The most natural and effective way to increase your intake of CLA is to eat the meat and dairy products of grassfed animals.
A. Aro et al, Kuopio University, Finland; Bougnoux, P, Lavillonniere F, Riboli E. "Inverse relation between CLA in adipose breast tissue and risk of breast cancer. A case-control study in France." Inform 10;5:S43, 1999

cornnifer

forgotten_child wrote:

Ive just become a vegetarian, some poeple agree with me and some people dont, i have been hearing both sides..the pros and cons..

can anyone give me any info on becoming a vegetarian?

am i harming myself or am i eating healthier?

It all depends. i was a vegetarian for nearly thirteen years. That doesn't mean i ate well. i didn't. i ate a crapton of pasta, got fat, flirted with diabetes, started running, ate better, lost alot of weight very fast, and was pretty much forced out of vegetarianism. As someone said earlier. Be wise about it.

gue_barium

onelongsong wrote:

CLA (conjugated linoleic acid) is a cancer-fighting fat that is most abundant in grassfed products. Two new European studies link a diet high in CLA with a lower risk of breast cancer. In Finland, researchers measured CLA levels in the serum of women with and without breast cancer. Those women with the most CLA had a significantly lower risk of the disease. Meanwhile, French researchers measured CLA levels in the breast tissues of 360 women. Once again, the women with the most CLA had the lowest risk of cancer. In fact, the women with the most CLA had a staggering 74% lower risk of breast cancer than the women with the least CLA.
The most natural and effective way to increase your intake of CLA is to eat the meat and dairy products of grassfed animals.
A. Aro et al, Kuopio University, Finland; Bougnoux, P, Lavillonniere F, Riboli E. "Inverse relation between CLA in adipose breast tissue and risk of breast cancer. A case-control study in France." Inform 10;5:S43, 1999

I don't know about the "dairy" side of that. Seems like it was thrown in there.
In fact, it seems like a concocted study altogether. Natural foods are obviously better for you. More or less of one organic source of nutrition is still wide-open in the field of this kind of study. Organic is best, grassfed (free range) is best if you're a meateater. Wild is the best red meat of all.

Songburst

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I dropped red meat and pork 99% of the time. Both have been recently linked to higher rates of cancer with regular consumption. Bacon is now considered cancer food in any quantity, as with excess alcohol consumption. I substitute organic soy milk (quite delicious) for milk, and don't eat any other dairy products except powdered whey isolates (pure protein...miraculous).

Basically no red meat, chicken and seafood only. That's as vegan as I can get and sustain it longterm.

Bacon and booze cause cancer? Nooooo. Seriously, I never understood why people put so much stock into these "studies" that say this causes cancer and that causes pregnancy. Every food causes cancer eventually.

I always thought that vegetarianism was a marketing ploy perpetuated by soy bean farmers (who run the world, of course). Few people know this, but organic soy is the strongest carcinogen to humans that there is. Right-wing soy farmers use images of health, virility and righteousness to promote these diets only to lure unsuspecting bleeding-heart liberals into these killer diets to reduce their quality of life and, eventually, eliminate their left-wing counterparts. Iceland is working towards eliminating its dependance on organic soy by 2015, but rest assured, Big Soy won't stand idly by while that happens. It's a scary world in which we live. Eat meat and don't let Big Soy win -- I'm going to eat the next homeless person I run into just on principle.

soulsinging

who's_pearljam? wrote:

It's funny, I'll eat natural whole grain homemade bread with locally grown organic spinach and handcrafted seitan and fresh fruit,,, then

wing down a couple of snickers bars and a margarita so whadooI know?


Man, so many things have happened since we sat there in New York, Fat Black Pussycat! Stellar night. Once I get those fake chicken wings right, come on by and we'll have to catch up!
I was just thinking about that night we all got together when that dude was yelling at me across the table poking me in the chest. I forget his name but that was a real, "uhhh, nice to meet you ,too" moment!

that was quite a night. it feels like a very long time ago. i think i remember that guy too, hehe. ah, the memories. you let me know when that recipe is ready, and ill be coming by! i'm a bit more stable now than i was then

pj10alive42

I can only think of cons....

my2hands

Pro - health

Con - it must suck

onelongsong

Songburst wrote:

Bacon and booze cause cancer? Nooooo. Seriously, I never understood why people put so much stock into these "studies" that say this causes cancer and that causes pregnancy. Every food causes cancer eventually.

I always thought that vegetarianism was a marketing ploy perpetuated by soy bean farmers (who run the world, of course). Few people know this, but organic soy is the strongest carcinogen to humans that there is. Right-wing soy farmers use images of health, virility and righteousness to promote these diets only to lure unsuspecting bleeding-heart liberals into these killer diets to reduce their quality of life and, eventually, eliminate their left-wing counterparts. Iceland is working towards eliminating its dependance on organic soy by 2015, but rest assured, Big Soy won't stand idly by while that happens. It's a scary world in which we live. Eat meat and don't let Big Soy win -- I'm going to eat the next homeless person I run into just on principle.

spot on mate. many people are allergic to soy too.
i eat butter and the things you're told are bad for you; but it's not because they're bad for you; it's that you have to COMPENSATE for the bad foods you are eating. 125 years ago a slab of beef was healthy and i posted the proof earlier. now it isn't. now we have to compensate for the cholesterol in the meat by removing other sources of cholesterol.
check out eatwild.com for some great information.

onelongsong

gue_barium wrote:

I don't know about the "dairy" side of that. Seems like it was thrown in there.
In fact, it seems like a concocted study altogether. Natural foods are obviously better for you. More or less of one organic source of nutrition is still wide-open in the field of this kind of study. Organic is best, grassfed (free range) is best if you're a meateater. Wild is the best red meat of all.

i listed the source in case you want to look it up. it was 2 european studies.
range fed meat is best and gives you the nutients you can't get from veggies. on the other hand; here's what you get in commercial meats.

Rankins, D. L., Jr. "The Importance of by-Products to the U.S. Beef Industry." Vet Clin North Am Food Anim Pract 18, no. 2 (2002): 207-11, v. "The use of by-products as nutrient sources for beef cattle will continue to be driven by economics. As landfill prices continue to escalate, more by-product will become economically viable as cattle feed. These considerations will be counter-balanced by safety concerns. American consumers are becoming increasingly concerned with the production aspects of their food. The environmental concerns associated with additional landfills will have to be balanced against which by-products consumers will accept in the production of the beef that they consume. These will most assuredly heighten over the coming years."
Johnson, J. C., Jr., and W. C. McCormick. "Ensiled Diet Containing Processed Municipal Garbage and Sorghum Forage for Heifers." J Dairy Sci 58, no. 11 (1975):

onelongsong

cornnifer wrote:

It all depends. i was a vegetarian for nearly thirteen years. That doesn't mean i ate well. i didn't. i ate a crapton of pasta, got fat, flirted with diabetes, started running, ate better, lost alot of weight very fast, and was pretty much forced out of vegetarianism. As someone said earlier. Be wise about it.

thank you for sharing that. from my research; the lack of protien in the diet causes fatigue. i got a letter from a woman who claims my buffalo meat cured her diabetes. i can't prove it did but it's interesting that she no longer has signs of diabetes. it could be other changes in her diet she didn't disclose also.
i'd say go a step further and see a nutritionalist if you're going to experiment with your diet. talk to some older people and they will tell you that damage done at a young age can come back to haunt you at an older age. especially when it comes to nutrition.

prism

onelongsong wrote:

thank you for sharing that. from my research; the lack of protien in the diet causes fatigue. i got a letter from a woman who claims my buffalo meat cured her diabetes. i can't prove it did but it's interesting that she no longer has signs of diabetes. it could be other changes in her diet she didn't disclose also.
i'd say go a step further and see a nutritionalist if you're going to experiment with your diet. talk to some older people and they will tell you that damage done at a young age can come back to haunt you at an older age. especially when it comes to nutrition.

it is a long-standing myth that vegetarians don't get enough protein. you've obviously never talked to any nutritionist(s) yourself. if being a vegetarian is so unhealthy as you claim then why one earth would 2 of my Dr.s as well as 3 nutritionist that I've spoken with be vegetarians themselves? all of the vegetarians that I know are healthy.

as if eating way too much animal products (as the vast majority of Americans do) and the saturated fat it contains isn't the leading cause of high-cholesterol resulting in increased cases of CVD. save the bs bit about how buffalo meat cures every health problem and actually lowers cholesterol...that's just you trying to sell your snake-oil

darkcrow

i have been a vegetarian all my life. has not hurt me. recently had a check up and i am quite healthy.

darkcrow

onelongsong wrote:

have you ever seen a healthy looking veggie? they look like death warmed over to me.
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i can assure you i do not look like "death"

Its Evolution Baby

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I dropped red meat and pork 99% of the time. Both have been recently linked to higher rates of cancer with regular consumption. Bacon is now considered cancer food in any quantity, as with excess alcohol consumption. I substitute organic soy milk (quite delicious) for milk, and don't eat any other dairy products except powdered whey isolates (pure protein...miraculous).

Basically no red meat, chicken and seafood only. That's as vegan as I can get and sustain it longterm.

Honestly I thing I would rather have cancer then give up Beef, Bacon, and alcohol. *knocks on wood*

PJPOWER

I eat vegetarians.

fragileblake

onelongsong wrote:

have you ever seen a healthy looking veggie? they look like death warmed over to me.

Again, I love all the claims you make with no evidence whatsoever.

http://www.happycow.net/famous_vegetarians.html

Yeah, all of those people look like "death warmed over". Idiot.

prism

PJPOWER wrote:

I eat vegetarians.

we taste just like chicken

KDH12

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

Honestly I thing I would rather have cancer then give up Beef, Bacon, and alcohol. *knocks on wood*

please do not say that.......

if you have ever had anyone close to you die of cancer I do not think you would feel this way..... I worked in hospice with people who were dying from cancer and they would have eaten the dirt veggies grew in if they thought it would help

catefrances

fragileblake wrote:

Again, I love all the claims you make with no evidence whatsoever.

http://www.happycow.net/famous_vegetarians.html

Yeah, all of those people look like "death warmed over". Idiot.

yeah well i bet river phoenix looks like death warmed up right about now.

calling people idiots doesn't help your stand btw.

prism

catefrances wrote:

yeah well i bet river phoenix looks like death warmed up right about now.

calling people idiots doesn't help your stand btw.

not just him but George Harrison can't be looking any too healthy either