vegetarian? pros & cons.
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Ive just become a vegetarian, some poeple agree with me and some people dont, i have been hearing both sides..the pros and cons..
can anyone give me any info on becoming a vegetarian?
am i harming myself or am i eating healthier?
can anyone give me any info on becoming a vegetarian?
am i harming myself or am i eating healthier?
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vegetarians can still eat junk food, and convenience foods and stuff that is bad for them...be careful about eating too much starch and sugars...and cheese.
truly though your reasoning behind changing your diet matters more than what people on a message board can tell you about eating properly.
eat veggies, and fruit, limit empty foods and drink plenty of water...that seems to be a good diet.
^^^^ Exactly.
But, if you want some facts and shit to quote to people, I advise investing in a (or a few) good book(s).
http://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Vegetarian-Complete-Adopting-Healthy/dp/1570670137
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con- you spend the rest of your life nibbling fuckin rabbit food while we enjoy the tasty stuff
Man,,,, I've never given someone a hard time about eating meat and I don't know many people who have, but all vegetarian threads seem to have a comment about that!
Pro: I haven't eaten meat for a long time and I feel great, have more energy, kicked cancer, and I don't have to clean beef fat off the cutting board.
Con:
-Rabbit food jokes
-Going to the restaurant and having your friends, the meat eaters mock you for not eating meat while they tell me that vegetarians have a high and mighty attitude and then they'll tell the waitress or waiter to just bring some rabbit food to me.
Some veggies DO have an attitude, but none of my friends do.
-Going to a restaurant and having the choice of a spinach salad or a portabella burger. I always ask the server to tell the chef to get creative if they're not too busy and sometimes they come up with some good stuff!
Things ARE getting better in restaurants, though.
The only thing I miss are chicken wings. I don't miss steak or beef at all.
Protein isn't a huge problem for a veggie if you eat right and it's not that hard to eat right.
There are 8 amino acids that we need out of protein. Some are available in whole grains like whole wheat, brown rice, quinona, oats, barley etc.
The other aminos that aren't available in them are available in legumes like beans, lentils, soybeans, tofu, nuts etc, so if you have some grains and nuts/ beans/ split peas etc, then you should be fine.
The worldwide meal of rice and beans is a complete protein and there's probably a good reason!
In India, rice and lentil and nuts.
Toasted flax seed, ground up in a coffee grinder for a second, has alpha-linolenic acid which is hard to find without meat, and you can put it in bread, yogurt, cereal. Tastes great.
http://www.vegsoc.org/info/protein.html
Then you need iron which is available in whole grains, spinach and,,,, well, here's a list;
http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/iron.htm
I think the only thing that's hard to get is vitamin b-12 from veggies, so you should take a supplement but other than that, a varied diet will keep you going.
I had cancer really bad around 6 years ago, and survived it, and my body seems to be a friggin experiment to all the doctors. They've studied me like I'm some sort of a science project and I have good iron, good blood, good cholesterol, so even they can't tell me that I'm not getting the right things in my diet!
Once you get used to it, I think it's easier to cook as a veggie than it is for a meatie. It's just different, but I find myself experimenting with all different types of foods.
I'm STILL working on a good vegetarian chicken wing though! I think it'll work with stuff called seitan. It's a wheat product, and I just made some myself last week. It's not that hard to make and it has a texture of chicken. I'll put up the method as soon as make a better batch. It's pretty fun to make.
So when I get that worked out, I'll invite soulsinging over for dinner and we'll pig out. THEN he'll see!
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yeah, i really have nothing against vegetarians, i just love poking fun at them. i think you've been round here long enough to remember my swooning over a vegetarian i met overseas once, hehe. they do cook some mean meals.
i just don't have the patience, discipline, or effort to stick to any sort of diet. i'm more concerned about the health effects of the tonnage of hershey's products i consume annually. once i figure that one out, ill consider thinking about my meet.
In regards to soy I've been reading a lot of bad press lately. Apparently the soy we get in North America is not ideal because it's not fermented. Fermented soy is hard to find. I've been cutting back on that and trying to be a bit more creative with beans and legumes.
At times it's challenging but I have no regrets. My skin has never been better and I feel great.
Best of luck.
One other thing... have fun at family dinners. You just may become the center of attention.
wing down a couple of snickers bars and a margarita so whadooI know?
Man, so many things have happened since we sat there in New York, Fat Black Pussycat! Stellar night. Once I get those fake chicken wings right, come on by and we'll have to catch up!
I was just thinking about that night we all got together when that dude was yelling at me across the table poking me in the chest. I forget his name but that was a real, "uhhh, nice to meet you ,too" moment!
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Basically no red meat, chicken and seafood only. That's as vegan as I can get and sustain it longterm.
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I don't really have any cons for you. You can be perfectly healthy as a vegetarian. I'm a vegan and happy with it. I guess each person has to do research and decide for themselves, but it works or me.
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I have to admit that her knowledge and perspective have begun to change my viewpoint (tho I am lightyears from giving up meat).
Maybe someday I'll stop to eat meat, but I can't imagine, how can I live without animals' aminoacids ?
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have you ever seen a healthy looking veggie? they look like death warmed over to me.
i had a stepson that had PKU. it's a disease where the liver cannot process animal protien. every nutritionalist we talked to said he has to stay completely veggie; but a veggie diet will not give him enough protien so he had to take a supplimental protien. here's a link for pku that may have some nutritional information for you. good luck with it. i know lots of people who've tried a veggie diet but couldn't stay with it because of fatigue from lack of protien.
http://www.webmd.com/search/search_results/default.aspx?query=PKU&sourceType=undefined
Martin Marchello at the Carrington Research Extension Center has found that grassfed bison have as much as four times more selenium (an essential trace mineral) than grainfed bison. Eating just three ounces of grassfed bison, for example, can give you over 100 mcg. of selenium, which is several times the daily minimum requirement.
Most of the selenium research has focused on its potential to reduce the risk of cancer, but a 1990 study found that selenium also promotes a sunnier disposition! In this study, volunteers were given either 100 micrograms of selenium or a sugar pill. Those who were given the selenium noticed an improved mood in just two weeks. Eating a small portion of grassfed bison on a daily basis should produce the same results.
Benton, D. and R. Cook (1990). "Selenium supplementation improves mood in a double-blind crossover trial." Psychopharmacology 102(4): 549-50.
Nature has given us a healthier alternative to weight control—eat meat from animals raised on fresh pasture. Meat from grassfed animals has about half the fat as meat from grainfed animals and significantly fewer calories. It also gives you a bonus supply of vitamins E, A, D, and beta-carotene.
Burton P. Koonsvitsky et al, "Olestra Affects Serum Concentrations of Alpha-Tocopherol and Carotenoids" J of Nutrition, Vol. 127 No. 8 August 1997, pp. 1636S-1645S.
The most natural and effective way to increase your intake of CLA is to eat the meat and dairy products of grassfed animals.
A. Aro et al, Kuopio University, Finland; Bougnoux, P, Lavillonniere F, Riboli E. "Inverse relation between CLA in adipose breast tissue and risk of breast cancer. A case-control study in France." Inform 10;5:S43, 1999
It all depends. i was a vegetarian for nearly thirteen years. That doesn't mean i ate well. i didn't. i ate a crapton of pasta, got fat, flirted with diabetes, started running, ate better, lost alot of weight very fast, and was pretty much forced out of vegetarianism. As someone said earlier. Be wise about it.
I don't know about the "dairy" side of that. Seems like it was thrown in there.
In fact, it seems like a concocted study altogether. Natural foods are obviously better for you. More or less of one organic source of nutrition is still wide-open in the field of this kind of study. Organic is best, grassfed (free range) is best if you're a meateater. Wild is the best red meat of all.
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Bacon and booze cause cancer? Nooooo. Seriously, I never understood why people put so much stock into these "studies" that say this causes cancer and that causes pregnancy. Every food causes cancer eventually.
I always thought that vegetarianism was a marketing ploy perpetuated by soy bean farmers (who run the world, of course). Few people know this, but organic soy is the strongest carcinogen to humans that there is. Right-wing soy farmers use images of health, virility and righteousness to promote these diets only to lure unsuspecting bleeding-heart liberals into these killer diets to reduce their quality of life and, eventually, eliminate their left-wing counterparts. Iceland is working towards eliminating its dependance on organic soy by 2015, but rest assured, Big Soy won't stand idly by while that happens. It's a scary world in which we live. Eat meat and don't let Big Soy win -- I'm going to eat the next homeless person I run into just on principle.
that was quite a night. it feels like a very long time ago. i think i remember that guy too, hehe. ah, the memories. you let me know when that recipe is ready, and ill be coming by! i'm a bit more stable now than i was then
Con - it must suck
spot on mate. many people are allergic to soy too.
i eat butter and the things you're told are bad for you; but it's not because they're bad for you; it's that you have to COMPENSATE for the bad foods you are eating. 125 years ago a slab of beef was healthy and i posted the proof earlier. now it isn't. now we have to compensate for the cholesterol in the meat by removing other sources of cholesterol.
check out eatwild.com for some great information.
i listed the source in case you want to look it up. it was 2 european studies.
range fed meat is best and gives you the nutients you can't get from veggies. on the other hand; here's what you get in commercial meats.
Rankins, D. L., Jr. "The Importance of by-Products to the U.S. Beef Industry." Vet Clin North Am Food Anim Pract 18, no. 2 (2002): 207-11, v. "The use of by-products as nutrient sources for beef cattle will continue to be driven by economics. As landfill prices continue to escalate, more by-product will become economically viable as cattle feed. These considerations will be counter-balanced by safety concerns. American consumers are becoming increasingly concerned with the production aspects of their food. The environmental concerns associated with additional landfills will have to be balanced against which by-products consumers will accept in the production of the beef that they consume. These will most assuredly heighten over the coming years."
Johnson, J. C., Jr., and W. C. McCormick. "Ensiled Diet Containing Processed Municipal Garbage and Sorghum Forage for Heifers." J Dairy Sci 58, no. 11 (1975):
thank you for sharing that. from my research; the lack of protien in the diet causes fatigue. i got a letter from a woman who claims my buffalo meat cured her diabetes. i can't prove it did but it's interesting that she no longer has signs of diabetes. it could be other changes in her diet she didn't disclose also.
i'd say go a step further and see a nutritionalist if you're going to experiment with your diet. talk to some older people and they will tell you that damage done at a young age can come back to haunt you at an older age. especially when it comes to nutrition.