That makes sense to me. I know plenty of people who listen to music mostly for the music. Me, I'm a lyrics person, there's no way I could ever tune it out, so that wouldn't work for me, but I can certainly understand how it might work for someone else. I know a good chunk of the lyrics aren't political, and I think I'd be able to appreciate those songs no matter what, but I know that I wouldn't be the PJ fanatic that I am if they held views that were totally contrary to mine.
I dont get how heavily the lyrics sway some people.. Songs like wws, inside job etc, I love em! they've got a great riff, great beat, and I don't "tune the lyrics out". They're just words. The only songs whose lyrics I tune out are the solo ed acoustic pieces............and I tune those out by hitting the skip button. But acoustic solo songs are boring to me.
And if you go thru their full list of songs, how many are outright "political"?? This doesn't include socially aware subject matter, but out and out political songs? Not that many. Believe it or not, us conservative nazi war-mongering facists are socially aware too. I can appreciate Evenflow and its comments on the homeless and crazy, and empathise with the inspiration. We just think differently on how to solve those problems.
Not to mention I dont believe for one second that all the band members feel just like Ed. You'd be hard pressed to find 5 people who think quite like Ed.
it astonishes me sometimes. a group of people in this forum obviously believe these 3 are the guilty people. we state that, and the initial response to us is "you're brainwashed, you aren't educated enough on the subject, blah blah blah." keep hurling the insults, it does nothing to convince me or anyone else with the same beliefs as me to change our minds.
What was insulting about my post? Is it insulting to be presented with evidence that the criminal justice system is broken and sometimes makes mistakes? If that's insulting, you need to toughen up.
Okay, there are no allegations that the prosecution hid evidence in the case of the WM3. (That was just a personal example.) But there's plenty of other stuff going on in this case that goes on in many wrongful conviction cases. Latching onto a single theory and building a case against those defendants no matter what; coerced confessions -- go look at the Gary Gauger link; a lack of physical evidence.
The people who think the WM3 are guilty seem to have a lot of trust in the criminal justice system. (Not to mention all the "I hope they burn in hell" stuff, which frankly is a little scary -- kind of crowds out rational discussion.) I spend a fair part of my day -- everyday -- reading about all the ways that the criminal justice system screws up. And we have no political will to fix it.
"Things will just get better and better even though it
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
Yeah, I'm a newbie to posting, but I've been lurking here for a really long time. In fact, it's you and your posts about politics (about which you say you don't give a shit) that inspired me to get an account.
Geez . . . .
"Things will just get better and better even though it
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
I dont get how heavily the lyrics sway some people.. Songs like wws, inside job etc, I love em! they've got a great riff, great beat, and I don't "tune the lyrics out". They're just words. The only songs whose lyrics I tune out are the solo ed acoustic pieces............and I tune those out by hitting the skip button. But acoustic solo songs are boring to me.
And if you go thru their full list of songs, how many are outright "political"?? This doesn't include socially aware subject matter, but out and out political songs? Not that many. Believe it or not, us conservative nazi war-mongering facists are socially aware too. I can appreciate Evenflow and its comments on the homeless and crazy, and empathise with the inspiration. We just think differently on how to solve those problems.
Not to mention I dont believe for one second that all the band members feel just like Ed. You'd be hard pressed to find 5 people who think quite like Ed.
I am in the midst of a life-long love affair with words. I can appreciate a beautiful piece of visual art, or a sublime piece of music, but I don't really know why ... I either like it or I don't. But words ... oh my, that's another thing entirely! That's my language. Not only do I know what I like when I hear it, but I know why. Just one or two words can bring you to your knees, if they're the exact perfect words. To me, the use of words is the ultimate art form. I know for others it's the use of musical notes or visual images, and I'm envious of people who can appreciate those the way that I appreciate language -- I know I'm missing out on a lot. For me it will always be mostly about the words ... I can't help it, I was built that way.
I know that most of their songs are not written from a leftist stance, and I'm truly happy that people from all sides can enjoy them. If PJ was a right-wing band, I think I'd still appreciate those songs, but I'm with abook on this one ... I wouldn't breathe them in the way I do now. It's hard to put my finger on it, but there's a feeling that would be lacking.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
What was insulting about my post? Is it insulting to be presented with evidence that the criminal justice system is broken and sometimes makes mistakes? If that's insulting, you need to toughen up.
Okay, there are no allegations that the prosecution hid evidence in the case of the WM3. (That was just a personal example.) But there's plenty of other stuff going on in this case that goes on in many wrongful conviction cases. Latching onto a single theory and building a case against those defendants no matter what; coerced confessions -- go look at the Gary Gauger link; a lack of physical evidence.
The people who think the WM3 are guilty seem to have a lot of trust in the criminal justice system. (Not to mention all the "I hope they burn in hell" stuff, which frankly is a little scary -- kind of crowds out rational discussion.) I spend a fair part of my day -- everyday -- reading about all the ways that the criminal justice system screws up. And we have no political will to fix it.
i'm sorry, i didn't mean you were throwing insults around. if you scroll back through this thread, i think you can figure out who i'm talking about. i don't want to single people out, that's why no single person was mentioned. i should have been a little more clear about that.
look, i understand what you're saying, but like i said before...with everything i've seen/read/heard about this case i think they're guilty. if strong evidence can be brought up saying they aren't guilty, then i was wrong and i'll willfully admit it. but until then...guilty.
and just out of curiosity, do you think that with all you see (how the judicial system screws people) maybe you're point of view could be leaning towards them being innocent because of what you encounter on a daily basis?
also, i'm not trying to change your mind here, i just feel the need to let people know that i am informed on the subject and not just blindly following what has been decided in the courts.
i really need to stop posting and get my work done.
"PC Load Letter?! What the fuck does that mean?"
~Michael Bolton
and just out of curiosity, do you think that with all you see (how the judicial system screws people) maybe you're point of view could be leaning towards them being innocent because of what you encounter on a daily basis?
You bet -- what I know about the criminal justice system makes me very, very suspicious and skeptical.
On the other hand, if the DNA comes back and says it was them, I won't be saying it was tampered with. They're going to an independent lab, and you can't tamper with DNA to point the finger at someone. But it would be pretty weird for them to seek DNA testing and attract all this attention if they knew it would show they were guilty.
"Things will just get better and better even though it
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
I voted, not because I think this is the best political cause, because as someone else said, there's still the war and several other political causes. I voted because, from what I've read, I think they didn't get a fair trial and it just seems a little shady and I think they deserve one.
Yeah, I'm a newbie to posting, but I've been lurking here for a really long time. In fact, it's you and your posts about politics (about which you say you don't give a shit) that inspired me to get an account.
Geez . . . .
you didnt annoy me, it was another newbie that got under my skin. you seem like an intelligent person. I look forward to debating with you sometime.
sorry to burst your bubble but yea, I dont really give a shit about politics. I enjoy debating my views with people. my life is too good to let politics bother me in everyday life.
glad I can be an inspiration to you. welcome aboard.
you didnt annoy me, it was another newbie that got under my skin. you seem like an intelligent person. I look forward to debating with you sometime.
sorry to burst your bubble but yea, I dont really give a shit about politics. I enjoy debating my views with people. my life is too good to let politics bother me in everyday life.
glad I can be an inspiration to you. welcome aboard.
Yeah sure you don't care about politics. That is why you sit on this board all day try and convince people how smart you are. " Inspiration", yeah for all the war mongers. You are such a stroke and deep down you know it's true.
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I dont get how heavily the lyrics sway some people.. Songs like wws, inside job etc, I love em! they've got a great riff, great beat, and I don't "tune the lyrics out". They're just words. The only songs whose lyrics I tune out are the solo ed acoustic pieces............and I tune those out by hitting the skip button. But acoustic solo songs are boring to me.
And if you go thru their full list of songs, how many are outright "political"?? This doesn't include socially aware subject matter, but out and out political songs? Not that many. Believe it or not, us conservative nazi war-mongering facists are socially aware too. I can appreciate Evenflow and its comments on the homeless and crazy, and empathise with the inspiration. We just think differently on how to solve those problems.
Not to mention I dont believe for one second that all the band members feel just like Ed. You'd be hard pressed to find 5 people who think quite like Ed.
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What was insulting about my post? Is it insulting to be presented with evidence that the criminal justice system is broken and sometimes makes mistakes? If that's insulting, you need to toughen up.
Okay, there are no allegations that the prosecution hid evidence in the case of the WM3. (That was just a personal example.) But there's plenty of other stuff going on in this case that goes on in many wrongful conviction cases. Latching onto a single theory and building a case against those defendants no matter what; coerced confessions -- go look at the Gary Gauger link; a lack of physical evidence.
The people who think the WM3 are guilty seem to have a lot of trust in the criminal justice system. (Not to mention all the "I hope they burn in hell" stuff, which frankly is a little scary -- kind of crowds out rational discussion.) I spend a fair part of my day -- everyday -- reading about all the ways that the criminal justice system screws up. And we have no political will to fix it.
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
-- EV, Live at the Showbox
So incredibly annoying.
Yeah, I'm a newbie to posting, but I've been lurking here for a really long time. In fact, it's you and your posts about politics (about which you say you don't give a shit) that inspired me to get an account.
Geez . . . .
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
-- EV, Live at the Showbox
I know that most of their songs are not written from a leftist stance, and I'm truly happy that people from all sides can enjoy them. If PJ was a right-wing band, I think I'd still appreciate those songs, but I'm with abook on this one ... I wouldn't breathe them in the way I do now. It's hard to put my finger on it, but there's a feeling that would be lacking.
i'm sorry, i didn't mean you were throwing insults around. if you scroll back through this thread, i think you can figure out who i'm talking about. i don't want to single people out, that's why no single person was mentioned. i should have been a little more clear about that.
look, i understand what you're saying, but like i said before...with everything i've seen/read/heard about this case i think they're guilty. if strong evidence can be brought up saying they aren't guilty, then i was wrong and i'll willfully admit it. but until then...guilty.
and just out of curiosity, do you think that with all you see (how the judicial system screws people) maybe you're point of view could be leaning towards them being innocent because of what you encounter on a daily basis?
also, i'm not trying to change your mind here, i just feel the need to let people know that i am informed on the subject and not just blindly following what has been decided in the courts.
i really need to stop posting and get my work done.
~Michael Bolton
You bet -- what I know about the criminal justice system makes me very, very suspicious and skeptical.
On the other hand, if the DNA comes back and says it was them, I won't be saying it was tampered with. They're going to an independent lab, and you can't tamper with DNA to point the finger at someone. But it would be pretty weird for them to seek DNA testing and attract all this attention if they knew it would show they were guilty.
doesn't feel that way right now. That's the hopeful
idea . . . Hope didn't get much applause . . .
Hope! Hope is the underdog!"
-- EV, Live at the Showbox
I can't believe this thread wasn't locked.
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you didnt annoy me, it was another newbie that got under my skin. you seem like an intelligent person. I look forward to debating with you sometime.
sorry to burst your bubble but yea, I dont really give a shit about politics. I enjoy debating my views with people. my life is too good to let politics bother me in everyday life.
glad I can be an inspiration to you. welcome aboard.
Yeah sure you don't care about politics. That is why you sit on this board all day try and convince people how smart you are. " Inspiration", yeah for all the war mongers. You are such a stroke and deep down you know it's true.
help us raise a little awareness and vote for damien..
....it doesnt matter what you think...he didnt get a fair trial...and surely everyone deserves that???
vote for damien please..
thanks x