Vote Damien Echols For Best Political Cause

miller8966

Tarrou wrote:

Black abyss of nothing what did you just take philosphy at college. You know you are a christian

Im free to do whatever and be whatever i want........ unlike damien

jlew24asu

Tarrou wrote:

Oh wow I'll be banned. I can't imagine How much that would hurt. I don't know how you great guys even like Pearl Jam. I mean they stand for everything you hate like justice and equality. If anyone should be banned it should be you dipshits that spread all this hate around the board.

so now we have to agree with pearl jam politics to enjoy their music? you realize how stupid you are making yourself look? i doubt it

PaperPlates

jlew24asu wrote:

so now we have to agree with pearl jam politics to enjoy their music? you realize how stupid you are making yourself look? i doubt it

Guess I'd better start throwing out my catalague then. And my t-shirts. And my ticket stubs. And my tab. And my socks. :(

Tarrou

jlew24asu wrote:

so now we have to agree with pearl jam politics to enjoy their music? you realize how stupid you are making yourself look? i doubt it

calling me stupid that hurts man because I really respect your opinion. You are gonna get banned maybe I should tell the moderators you fucking baby.

jlew24asu

Tarrou wrote:

Good one smart guy.

your responses are getting better and better. l'll play along, what else you got?

Hope&Anger

jlew24asu wrote:

so now we have to agree with pearl jam politics to enjoy their music? you realize how stupid you are making yourself look? i doubt it

So you like the music . . . do you just ignore the lyrics? And everything Eddie says on stage and in interviews? Or do you get as pissed off at him as you do at the liberals on the board?

hippiemom

PaperPlates wrote:

Guess I'd better start throwing out my catalague then. And my t-shirts. And my ticket stubs. And my tab. And my socks. :(

NOT THE SOCKS!!!!!! :eek:

moeaholic

Hope&Anger wrote:

AND



Maybe you haven't paid attention to what happened in Illinois. They released 13 people over 11 years who were INNOCENT!

In the aftermath of that Illinois conducted a study of the death penalty that showed SYSTEMATIC problems in the criminal justice system. Yes, police, prosecutors, crime labs latch onto suspects very quickly and then push the evidence, ignore witnesses, hide evidence, etc. Maybe Illinois was worse than Texas or Florida or Virginia or Arkansas, but somehow I doubt it. You can read the reports about Illinois here:

http://www.idoc.state.il.us/ccp/ccp/reports/index.html

Or if you can't be bothered with all that public policy, read about Gary Gauger:

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/depts/clinic/wrongful/exonerations/IllinoisList.htm

Or read about Rolando Cruz:

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/depts/clinic/wrongful/exonerations/cruz.htm

Or pick a name at random of all these guys in Illinois who got "trials" but were later exonerated:

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/depts/clinic/wrongful/exonerations/IllinoisList.htm

And in the Echols case, they're just getting around to doing DNA testing. How long has it been and no DNA testing?

Just because they got a trial doesn't mean it was a fair trial. I have a friend who worked on a death penalty case for 15 years. After 15 years -- and the guy within a month of his execution -- the defense team found out that the prosecutors were hiding an important piece of evidence that would have convinced a jury that the guy didn't commit the crime at all. You can't have a fair trial if prosecutors are hiding evidence.

And you're right, no one would care if Eddie didn't care. But that's a shame, because we routinely put people in prison -- and even execute them -- when they didn't commit the crime they were charged with. And if we don't care about that, what the hell have we come to?

Oh, and I signed the petition.

and none of that pertains to the echols case, or the miskelley case, or the baldwin case. nobody ever said "only guilty people are found guilty". and for your information, i can't wait for this dna evidence. it'll be funny to watch how everyone dances around the fact that it does nothing to help the defenses case. "it matches because it was tampered with" will most likely be the mantra around these parts.

by the way, with your friend getting someone off because of hidden evidence....what's the evidence that was hidden in the echols, miskelley, and baldwin cases? please, enlighten me. i'm dying to know.

oh, and i also voted. i'm trying (but not able) to vote every hour, but for something else on there that has nothing to do with the wm3.

it astonishes me sometimes. a group of people in this forum obviously believe these 3 are the guilty people. we state that, and the initial response to us is "you're brainwashed, you aren't educated enough on the subject, blah blah blah." keep hurling the insults, it does nothing to convince me or anyone else with the same beliefs as me to change our minds.

jlew24asu

Hope&Anger wrote:

So you like the music . . . do you just ignore the lyrics? And everything Eddie says on stage and in interviews? Or do you get as pissed off at him as you do at the liberals on the board?

what is it with all the newbies today? I enjoy the lyics. I sing along to every song. no I dont get pissed. he is entilted to his opinion just like I am.

PaperPlates

hippiemom wrote:

NOT THE SOCKS!!!!!! :eek:

I'd give it all away, since I'm incompatible with the music, but idk if anyone would want my smelly socks. Then again...............liberal hippies might not even notice the smell!!

hippiemom

jlew24asu wrote:

what is it with all the newbies today? I enjoy the lyics. I sing along to every song. no I dont get pissed. he is entilted to his opinion just like I am.

That's a great outlook, but I still don't know how you do it. If they started writing songs extolling the virtues of the Bush administration, I'd stop listening. I'd support until my dying breath their right to say whatever they wanted to, but I wouldn't pay good money to listen to it.

miller8966

hippiemom wrote:

That's a great outlook, but I still don't know how you do it. If they started writing songs extolling the virtues of the Bush administration, I'd stop listening. I'd support until my dying breath their right to say whatever they wanted to, but I wouldn't pay good money to listen to it.

I know i would

PaperPlates

hippiemom wrote:

That's a great outlook, but I still don't know how you do it. If they started writing songs extolling the virtues of the Bush administration, I'd stop listening. I'd support until my dying breath their right to say whatever they wanted to, but I wouldn't pay good money to listen to it.

Who said we pay for it? I stopped paying for it right about the time the politics took over and knocked rock n roll and social awareness over. Here's the thing tho hippiemom.............

Stone's grooves arent political.
Mike's leads and fills aren't political.
Jeffs masterful and powerful rhythm aren't political.
Drummer number ___ 's beats arent political.
A good chunk of the lyrics arent political.
Only Ed is political.


I confess, I've gone from loving pearl jam in the 90's BECAUSE of eddie, to loving pearl jam in '00 DESPITE eddie.


Thats how I can explain it best.

jlew24asu

hippiemom wrote:

That's a great outlook, but I still don't know how you do it. If they started writing songs extolling the virtues of the Bush administration, I'd stop listening. I'd support until my dying breath their right to say whatever they wanted to, but I wouldn't pay good money to listen to it.

contrary to popular opinion, I dont really give a shit about politics. this is an open forum to say whats on your mind. so I do.

this is perl jam we are talking about. are ALL their songs about politics? eddie is very passionate about certain things. thats great. I love the music.

hippiemom, I just read the thread about you. I'm glad you are ok! you are a very strong person! rock on girl

Tarrou

Hope&Anger wrote:

So you like the music . . . do you just ignore the lyrics? And everything Eddie says on stage and in interviews? Or do you get as pissed off at him as you do at the liberals on the board?

Well said that guy is such a hypocrite. He dishes it out but starts talking about how everyone should be banned if they throw his shit in his face.

jlew24asu

PaperPlates wrote:

Who said we pay for it? I stopped paying for it right about the time the politics took over and knocked rock n roll and social awareness over. Here's the thing tho hippiemom.............

Stone's grooves arent political.
Mike's leads and fills aren't political.
Jeffs masterful and powerful rhythm aren't political.
Drummer number ___ 's beats arent political.
A good chunk of the lyrics arent political.
Only Ed is political.


I confess, I've gone from loving pearl jam in the 90's BECAUSE of eddie, to loving pearl jam in '00 DESPITE eddie.


Thats how I can explain it best.

and what he said

jlew24asu

Tarrou wrote:

Well said that guy is such a hypocrite. He dishes it out but starts talking about how everyone should be banned if they throw his shit in his face.

I dont dish out shit buddy. read my posts. there is a search feature for that. I wonder if you can figure it out.

moeaholic

hippiemom wrote:

That's a great outlook, but I still don't know how you do it. If they started writing songs extolling the virtues of the Bush administration, I'd stop listening. I'd support until my dying breath their right to say whatever they wanted to, but I wouldn't pay good money to listen to it.

yeah, but it's not like every single song they've ever written pertains to bush or republicans. i love the music, and when you've been listening to something for a good portion of your adult life it's hard to say "i'm done with these assholes because they wrote bushleaguer!" i'm adult enough to look past that and get a good groove going with other songs. it's not always about the message, sometimes it's just about the music.

i will admit since the release of binaural i've been less interested in the band, but only because i think the quality of the music has gone downhill. not a lot, but a bit. binaural (imo) is their worst release, riot act was a little better, and the self titled album is better than riot act. but none of those 3 measure up to yield.

to tell you the truth, i'm glad i'm in my mid 30's right now. if i was currently in my 20's, i'd most likely be a broke motherfucker, going to shows all the time and buying all the merchandise i can get my hands on. with age (and a wife and 2 children) comes restraint on purchases.

hippiemom

PaperPlates wrote:

Who said we pay for it? I stopped paying for it right about the time the politics took over and knocked rock n roll and social awareness over. Here's the thing tho hippiemom.............

Stone's grooves arent political.
Mike's leads and fills aren't political.
Jeffs masterful and powerful rhythm aren't political.
Drummer number ___ 's beats arent political.
A good chunk of the lyrics arent political.
Only Ed is political.


I confess, I've gone from loving pearl jam in the 90's BECAUSE of eddie, to loving pearl jam in '00 DESPITE eddie.


Thats how I can explain it best.

That makes sense to me. I know plenty of people who listen to music mostly for the music. Me, I'm a lyrics person, there's no way I could ever tune it out, so that wouldn't work for me, but I can certainly understand how it might work for someone else. I know a good chunk of the lyrics aren't political, and I think I'd be able to appreciate those songs no matter what, but I know that I wouldn't be the PJ fanatic that I am if they held views that were totally contrary to mine.

Abookamongstthemany

hippiemom wrote:

That makes sense to me. I know plenty of people who listen to music mostly for the music. Me, I'm a lyrics person, there's no way I could ever tune it out, so that wouldn't work for me, but I can certainly understand how it might work for someone else. I know a good chunk of the lyrics aren't political, and I think I'd be able to appreciate those songs no matter what, but I know that I wouldn't be the PJ fanatic that I am if they held views that were totally contrary to mine.

Same here, I'd appreciate the excellent music and deep, powerful vocals but I wouldn't breathe them like I do now.