yes, go outside and assist a fellow man that is sifting through the alleys. give him money, give him food, ask him or her how you can help. as for the "representatives" that is why we vote and hold them accountable.
it is amusing how many people walked by the one man holding out a cup for change so they could protest one nation.
"people who care".....right.
you tell her! It never ceases to amaze me the shortsightedness of fanatics who jump on every band wagon that comes along....so long as it makes them look like cool intellectuals. Helping the needy right down the street isn't glorious enough. Then again I would venture to say that "some" discussing this as being such a positive protest are blowing hot air when they claim to have participated. But we wont mention any names.
I have to disagree with those who think China doesn't care...How can they not care...? The Olympics were supposed to be a "coming out party" for China...
They hoped and still hope show off for the world...right now they're not looking so good...
and they probably never will no matter what they do. The point is, the violence and oppression against Tibetan Monks has been going on since the 1950's. It is not a new issue. It's great that some group has managed to finally get it mainstreamed but to make it the main focus point of the Olympic games is irresponsible at best. It is creating too much controversy to actually do any good. The powers that be will not want to get involved because it won't look good. Remember, politics is all about impressing the other guy.
Protest fine but don't disrupt a non-entity involved in the issue.
and they probably never will no matter what they do. The point is, the violence and oppression against Tibetan Monks has been going on since the 1950's. It is not a new issue. It's great that some group has managed to finally get it mainstreamed but to make it the main focus point of the Olympic games is irresponsible at best. It is creating too much controversy to actually do any good. The powers that be will not want to get involved because it won't look good. Remember, politics is all about impressing the other guy.
Protest fine but don't disrupt a non-entity involved in the issue.
How is it irresponsible? Your claims are bordering the ridiculous at this point. The protests have created just enough controversy to be noticed and addressed by the main players in this.
It's nice that you're totally oblivious to the fact that the protests have stepped up pressure on western governments to at the least boycott the opening ceremonies. The Chinese regime may not care itself about the protests, but they will care if the western governments take a harder line towards them. The German and French premiers have already pledged to boycott the opening ceremonies and the pressure is on Bush to do likewise. This is important because it's (at least) a symbolic gesture against the Chinese government which the west has been hesitant to make. It has to start somewhere and this at least feels like a beginning.
How is it irresponsible? Your claims are bordering the ridiculous at this point. The protests have created just enough controversy to be noticed and addressed by the main players in this.
It's nice that you're totally oblivious to the fact that the protests have stepped up pressure on western governments to at the least boycott the opening ceremonies. The Chinese regime may not care itself about the protests, but they will care if the western governments take a harder line towards them. The German and French premiers have already pledged to boycott the opening ceremonies and the pressure is on Bush to do likewise. This is important because it's (at least) a symbolic gesture against the Chinese government which the west has been hesitant to make. It has to start somewhere and this at least feels like a beginning.
they also cared when Spielberg pulled out of directing the opening ceremonies due to China's support of genocide...again....screw the torch relay....it was a Nazi propaganda ploy invented by Hitler.
The German and French premiers have already pledged to boycott the opening ceremonies and the pressure is on Bush to do likewise.
Hmmm, yet you can be oblivious to the fact that the Dali Lama himself said that he was planning on attending the "opening day festivities". He also spoke out against the boycott saying he supported the olympics and asks for calm PEACEFUL demonstrations.
Hmmm, yet you can be oblivious to the fact that the Dali Lama himself said that he was planning on attending the "opening day festivities". He also spoke out against the boycott saying he supported the olympics and asks for calm PEACEFUL demonstrations.
He's entitled to his opinion and is playing politics as well. That doesn't change anything. And for the record, the overwhelming majority of the protests have been peaceful. Police response has been less so from what I've seen and experienced.
I bet French and German premiers don't really give a fuck about Tibet and its people. Same goes for other politicians around the world. This all mess is more anti-China than pro- Tibet.
I bet French and German premiers don't really give a fuck about Tibet and its people. Same goes for other politicians around the world. This all mess is more anti-China than pro- Tibet.
And it's totally unfair to take a stand against an oppressive regime... right?
And it's totally unfair to take a stand against an oppressive regime... right?
It's unfair to say you're fighting for the good of some people, for example, people of Tibet, while all you really want is to screw up somebody else (for example, China).
I'm not talking about "regular" people here, I just don't like politicians. They don't give a fuck about Tibet.
He's entitled to his opinion and is playing politics as well. That doesn't change anything. And for the record, the overwhelming majority of the protests have been peaceful. Police response has been less so from what I've seen and experienced.
last time I checked, physical attacks on an innocent torch carrier were not classified as peaceful.
That's right...fight the man. Authority figures suck. (shakes fist in the air)
It's unfair to say you're fighting for the good of some people, for example, people of Tibet, while all you really want is to screw up somebody else (for example, China).
I'm not talking about "regular" people here, I just don't like politicians. They don't give a fuck about Tibet.
exactly. Any powers that be who do end up boycotting or supporting "Tibet" are only do so to get at the Chinese government. It is a tool for their real agendas.
...I do support Tibet fighting for their real freedom...
"...I'll swallow poison, until I grow immune...
I will scream my lungs out till it fills this room...
How much difference, How much difference does it make..."
That's indifference of those who can really help kill me...
...Tibet is free, not a part of Chinese Chiefs...
"Everything depends on the Sunset." - A.Maximillian
I bet French and German premiers don't really give a fuck about Tibet and its people. Same goes for other politicians around the world. This all mess is more anti-China than pro- Tibet.
you know what i think this is the most true statement yet.....
surely you understand why san francisco was picked to be the entry point for the torch into the US.
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The torch was never meant to run around the country. San Francisco was the only city U.S. to have a torch run.
Maybe they picked S.F. because of their world famous Chinatown.
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Hail, Hail!!!
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The torch was never meant to run around the country. San Francisco was the only city U.S. to have a torch run.
Maybe they picked S.F. because of their world famous Chinatown.
well my thinking was san fran was chosen because of its history of chinese immigration through the city re: the gold rush, the railways et al. and the contribution made by the chinese in these ventures.
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Protest fine but don't disrupt a non-entity involved in the issue.
How is it irresponsible? Your claims are bordering the ridiculous at this point. The protests have created just enough controversy to be noticed and addressed by the main players in this.
It's nice that you're totally oblivious to the fact that the protests have stepped up pressure on western governments to at the least boycott the opening ceremonies. The Chinese regime may not care itself about the protests, but they will care if the western governments take a harder line towards them. The German and French premiers have already pledged to boycott the opening ceremonies and the pressure is on Bush to do likewise. This is important because it's (at least) a symbolic gesture against the Chinese government which the west has been hesitant to make. It has to start somewhere and this at least feels like a beginning.
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they also cared when Spielberg pulled out of directing the opening ceremonies due to China's support of genocide...again....screw the torch relay....it was a Nazi propaganda ploy invented by Hitler.
He's entitled to his opinion and is playing politics as well. That doesn't change anything. And for the record, the overwhelming majority of the protests have been peaceful. Police response has been less so from what I've seen and experienced.
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And it's totally unfair to take a stand against an oppressive regime... right?
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It's unfair to say you're fighting for the good of some people, for example, people of Tibet, while all you really want is to screw up somebody else (for example, China).
I'm not talking about "regular" people here, I just don't like politicians. They don't give a fuck about Tibet.
That's right...fight the man. Authority figures suck. (shakes fist in the air)
"...I'll swallow poison, until I grow immune...
I will scream my lungs out till it fills this room...
How much difference, How much difference does it make..."
That's indifference of those who can really help kill me...
...Tibet is free, not a part of Chinese Chiefs...
you know what i think this is the most true statement yet.....
The torch was never meant to run around the country. San Francisco was the only city U.S. to have a torch run.
Maybe they picked S.F. because of their world famous Chinatown.
Hail, Hail!!!
well my thinking was san fran was chosen because of its history of chinese immigration through the city re: the gold rush, the railways et al. and the contribution made by the chinese in these ventures.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say