If 9/11 was an inside job, why hasn't Al Qaeda come forward?

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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I don't know. I doubt the muslim extremists surrounding Bin Laden make it a priority to challenge their leader's piety.

    i would disagree...if you are round religious fundamentals they usually like their leaders to follow suit, too

    farfromglorified wrote:
    That's precisely why. Not because they're "questionable" -- those videos have been independently verified -- but rather because they demonstrate the guilt of Al Qaeda as opposed to the guilt of Bin Laden.

    have they?? what about the audio tapes?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2526309.stm
    Bin Laden tape 'not genuine'

    Researchers in Switzerland have questioned the authenticity of the recent audio recording attributed to Osama Bin Laden.

    A team from the Lausanne-based Dalle Molle Institute for Perceptual Artificial Intelligence, Idiap, said it was 95% certain the tape does not feature the voice of the al-Qaeda leader.

    wow, if only a 5% chance is all it takes for you to buy into it, i have some oceanfront property in Boise...


    farfromglorified wrote:
    So in other words you want to see more cases like WM3? I don't really know how to address that.

    can you make it thru 1 day w/o assuming things? no, i don't think that
    farfromglorified wrote:
    See my first comment. And read this:

    http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NCSTAR1-5ExecutiveSummary.pdf

    i have read it...it's filled w/ things like:

    'This document reports the likely nature...'

    'it was estimated...'

    'The presence of high volatility materials, such as jet fuel, were instrumental during the initiation phase, but mostly burned away rapidly and (except for a few flare-ups observed in WTC 2) played little or no role later.'

    even go to the final report and search for 'estimate' you will find a bunch of phrases like 'it was estimated...'
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    El_Kabong wrote:
    i would disagree...if you are round religious fundamentals they usually like their leaders to follow suit, too

    You mean like David Koresh or Jim Jones? Yes, very pious people.
    have they?? are you sure about that?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2526309.stm
    Bin Laden tape 'not genuine'

    Researchers in Switzerland have questioned the authenticity of the recent audio recording attributed to Osama Bin Laden.

    A team from the Lausanne-based Dalle Molle Institute for Perceptual Artificial Intelligence, Idiap, said it was 95% certain the tape does not feature the voice of the al-Qaeda leader.

    wow, if only a 5% chance is all it takes for you to buy into it, i have some oceanfront property in Boise...

    Why are you linking to a story about an audiotape we're not even discussing?
    can you make it thru 1 day w/o assuming things? no, i don't think that

    Then why are you telling me that the government should use WM3 as a standard procedure? Why are you saying that if it's good enough in the WM3 case, it should be good enough here?
    i have read it...it's filled w/ things like:

    'This document reports the likely nature...'

    'it was estimated...'

    'The presence of high volatility materials, such as jet fuel, were instrumental during the initiation phase, but mostly burned away rapidly and (except for a few flare-ups observed in WTC 2) played little or no role later.'

    even go to the final report and search for 'estimate' you will find a bunch of phrases like 'it was estimated...'

    Let me get this straight....you'd rather these people use language like "without a doubt", "unquestionable", or "conclusively proven"?
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    farfromglorified wrote:
    This is the largest event in US history in our lifetime. Of course I watched it. I read the transcript. I read the competing transcripts.

    Occam's Razor would say that a man "writing with the wrong hand" isn't writing, isn't able to use his other hand, is ambidextrous or that your ideas of his handedness are wrong, to start.

    do transcripts say 'writes note w/ right hand'?? no. why does the fbi's profile state: "He is left-handed"???

    furthermore, at around 9:37 on the verison released by the pentagon you clearly see 'bin laden' writing something down using his right hand while holding the paper/notebook in his left hand...maybe you just weren't paying attention when you watched it before? he also eats and drinks using his right hand throughout, but your claim that he does not write in this video is false

    farfromglorified wrote:
    Why are you linking to a story about an audiotape we're not even discussing?

    we did discuss the audio tape, you even brought up an article about a letter

    farfromglorified wrote:
    Then why are you telling me that the government should use WM3 as a standard procedure? Why are you saying that if it's good enough in the WM3 case, it should be good enough here?

    it would be enough to get the ball rolling.
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Let me get this straight....you'd rather these people use language like "without a doubt", "unquestionable", or "conclusively proven"?

    no, just pointing out they are nothing more than guesses and hypotheticals
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    El_Kabong wrote:
    do transcripts say 'writes note w/ right hand'?? no.

    No. Why do you ask?
    why does the fbi's profile state: "He is left-handed"???

    I'd assume because the FBI believes Osama Bin Laden is left handed.
    furthermore, at around 9:37 on the verison released by the pentagon you clearly see 'bin laden' writing something down using his right hand while holding the paper/notebook in his left hand...maybe you just weren't paying attention when you watched it before?

    I didn't "clearly see that".
    he also eats and drinks using his right hadn througout, but yoru claim that he does not write in this video is false

    Yes, he does drink with his right hand throughout. Shocking, huh? Although considering the table is on his right, it makes some sense.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    farfromglorified wrote:
    No. Why do you ask?



    I'd assume because the FBI believes Osama Bin Laden is left handed.



    I didn't "clearly see that".



    Yes, he does drink with his right hand throughout. Shocking, huh? Although considering the table is on his right, it makes some sense.


    would you like the link then? you can see him writing from 9:37-roughly 10min mark...it zooms in and out but there are some shots zoomed out where you can, yes, clearly see him write something down.

    her ya go
    http://www.npr.org/news/specials/response/investigation/011213.binladen.tape.html

    i used the 2nd video, the one that says:

    'Watch the Osama bin Laden tape, in the original sequence first released by the Pentagon.'
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    El_Kabong wrote:
    we did discuss the audio tape, you even brought up an article about a letter

    No, we're discussing the authenticity of two videos. We have not discussed any audio tapes.

    The "article about a letter" simply describes how Masood was killed and provides very good reason why Osama Bin Laden would not be overly thrilled about conducting interviews, an earlier topic.
    it would be enough to get the ball rolling.

    The "ball rolling"??? On what?
    no, just pointing out they are nothing more than guesses and hypotheticals

    *sigh*

    They are hypotheticals based on scientific observations and intense study.

    To say "aliens knocked down the towers" is nothing more than a guess and a hypothetical.
  • Scratchin a Letter
    Scratchin a Letter Posts: 2,303
    not sure who wrote it, but i read something about a year or so ago that suggested Osama Binladen was killed in the late 80's (ever wondered why all the videofootage is so grainy?!) and al qaeda disbanded soon after. The basis of the article claimed that al qaeda didn't even exist and all the stuff that news networks show were all just actors in a studio.

    Pretty much all aspects of the attacks were linked vaguely to the Bush administration and the CIA. Very far fetched, but it makes you wonder. I try and find it then repost it on here.
  • stupidcorporatewhore
    stupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    farfromglorified wrote:
    It's called the Alchemists Razor.....the most desired explanation is the correct one.

    the correct spelling, pronunciation and definition of this is:

    Achems Razor: It states that: All things being equal, the most simple explanation is probably the correct one.

    I think the US had involvement in 9/11 even if it was as simple as letting it happen.

    the reason why so many people are "grasping at straws" is because our government has been one of secrets and dishonesty.

    Everything does not add up. And this whole "if you question us, you are not a good American" thing does not help.

    Even if they didn't have anything to do with 9/11, what they have done since has been despicable.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    El_Kabong wrote:
    would you like the link then? you can see him writing from 9:37-roughly 10min mark...it zooms in and out but there are some shots zoomed out where you can, yes, clearly see him write something down.

    her ya go
    http://www.npr.org/news/specials/response/investigation/011213.binladen.tape.html

    i used the 2nd video, the one that says:

    'Watch the Osama bin Laden tape, in the original sequence first released by the Pentagon.'

    Holy shit! I can see him writing! And it says:

    "Help...the CIA is paying me non-union wages"

    You might want to try your own link there. He's not writing in that video. If he is, he's writing with a tampon.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    stupidcorporatewhore wrote:
    the correct spelling, pronunciation and definition of this is:

    Achems Razor: It states that: All things being equal, the most simple explanation is probably the correct one.

    I think the US had involvement in 9/11 even if it was as simple as letting it happen.

    the reason why so many people are "grasping at straws" is because our government has been one of secrets and dishonesty.

    Everything does not add up. And this whole "if you question us, you are not a good American" thing does not help.

    Even if they didn't have anything to do with 9/11, what they have done since has been despicable.

    Hehe...it was a joke. The correct spelling of "Achems Razor" is "Occam's Razor", BTW.

    "Alchemist's Razor" is a converse I coined. It means that the most desired explanation becomes the correct one.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Holy shit! I can see him writing! And it says:

    "Help...the CIA is paying me non-union wages"

    You might want to try your own link there. He's not writing in that video. If he is, he's writing with a tampon.


    he's rubbing a tampon on his lap......riiiiiiiiiiiight :rolleyes:
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • stupidcorporatewhore
    stupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Hehe...it was a joke. The correct spelling of "Achems Razor" is "Occam's Razor", BTW.

    "Alchemist's Razor" is a converse I coined. It means that the most desired explanation becomes the correct one.

    Hmm that's weird, I got my spelling from google

    so congrats.

    Bush is still a shitty president.

    I know I spelled that right.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    El_Kabong wrote:
    he's rubbing a tampon on his lap......riiiiiiiiiiiight :rolleyes:

    No more than he's writing with one.

    Wait...maybe it's one of these:

    http://p.office1000.com/mrp/MMXC13UBIC.jpg

    I loved those things when I was 10....
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    stupidcorporatewhore wrote:
    Hmm that's weird, I got my spelling from google

    Perhaps "Achem" is an alternate spelling I've never seen. I've always seen "Occam" as in:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor
    Bush is still a shitty president.

    Yes he is, regardless of how it's spelled.

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