Graphics on cigarette packs?

Heineken Helen

failedpersephone wrote:

many things should be adult decisions - we know the problems with smoking, drinking etc., and if we choose to continue, then let us do it in peace.

Oooohh... nail... on... head

Heineken Helen

failedpersephone wrote:

oh, one other sort of related thing...with smoking there is the added bonus of second hand issues...but even that - it seems as if there shouldn't be anyone left that thinks the smoke you exhale wont waft over to the crib...

I genuinely don't know anyone who would smoke in a house or car with kids! I've seen it done... but generally not by sensical people!

Kel Varnsen

Austicman wrote:

I don't know about America but in Australia the taxes collected from smoking triple the annual health bill. Thats the whole countries bill, smokers and non-smokers. Then you want them to pay for medical treatment as well. Alot people seem to forget how much smokers pay in taxes. Maybe you should find out how much of those taxes are spent on health and see how much is wasted on crap.

Plus if you are a smoker you are much more likely to die before you reach retirement age (or if you do you won't live for as long), and thus won't be collecting any government pension benefits. I am not a fan of smoking, but I think trying to say that it is a cost to society really doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Kel Varnsen

failedpersephone wrote:

Smokers will not be deterred by a picture of black lungs or other such nonsense. many things should be adult decisions -

The problem is a large portion of smokers start before they are actually adults, so how can you make an adult decision when you are 14?

failedpersephone wrote:

it's like the whole "hot coffee" warning. ugh. what next? telling me I shouldn't shove my heated curling iron up my snatch???? "Oh wow, didn't think it would burn!!" GRRR!

It always bugs me when people bring up the hot coffee case and the related warnings. I learned about that case in a law course I took and there is actually way more to it then people realize. First off McDonalds was heating the water way hotter than it needed to be to brew coffee, which McDonald's knew and they new it had caused serious injuries in the past (they were basically ignoring the data and selling something they knew could hurt people). Plus when the woman tried to bring this problem to McDonald's attention and get some help with her medical bills, they basically told her to get lost or talk to thier lawyers. So she got a lawyer, seems pretty straight forward to me.

harmless_little_f***

dunkman wrote:

cant win... "ohhh lets legalise cannabis and regulate it"... "lets make smoking illegal so they dont have to stick bad pictures of men with no throats on the packet"... make up your minds.

Did I say I was for legalising cannabis? I'm not... no use tarring all so-called liberal people with the same brush.

dunkman wrote:

if you all know smoking harms your insides then dont come crying to me when you get ill from it... i know eating 40 cream cakes a day will fucking kill me... so i dont do it...

Well done you

dunkman wrote:

and the whole smoking is an addiction thing is fucking pointless so dont go there... if you're all so smart and dont need the pictures then you wont need to be told it was addictive either... you all knew it was addictive... so when you get ill... whats your fucking paltry excuse then? ohhhh the government never told me i'd get ill.

I don't think anyone is going to blame the government for not warning them... I think everyone here is saying the opposite. Stop patronising us as if we don't already know the dangers.

dunkman wrote:

i've lost 3 of my 4 grandparents to smoking... my papa is the only one alive... hmmmmm he never smoked once.... weird?!?!

So have I... well, smoking, madness/suicide, other types of cancer... people die and it sucks. I don't think it's fair to use 'My granddad died because of what you're doing' as a weapon to judge others. It seems a bit smug. Just as many people's family members die from alcohol problems but by the sound of the Pit, none of us are bothered by the occasional, dangerous binge drink.

failedpersephone

Kel Varnsen wrote:

The problem is a large portion of smokers start before they are actually adults, so how can you make an adult decision when you are 14?

I started when I was 12. my father smoked, as did older siblings...I knew it was bad for me. i knew the damage that I could be doing to my body.

I made many "adult" decisions at an early age. I don't think I am unique in this - as a matter of fact, I think society leads younger people into making decisions at an earlier and earlier age...regardless, however the main issue is still one of knowledge. I was given many tools to make sound healthy decisions. Being told that your lungs will be compromised in addition to a myriad of other issues related to smoking is necessary for children because it's possible that they are NOT aware of the dangers (tho it seemed like a no-brainer to me) in addition, it isn't like a 14 year old can walk into a liquor store and get a pack...(I stole mine) at 14 you have no money (parents control the purse strings) and no ability at autonomy.

anti-smoking stuff in school, and the like works for the most part. I think it is stupid to put stuff ON the pack...that is intended to deter SMOKERS not curious children.

Don't even get me STARTED on the whole "what about the children" bend that society is taking...something is bad for KIDS and we ALL suffer with a PG existence.

btw, I quit smoking when I was 19 - but that was because I didn't like being a slave to a craving...any craving. it made me feel demeaned. haha.

Kel Varnsen wrote:

It always bugs me when people bring up the hot coffee case and the related warnings. I learned about that case in a law course I took and there is actually way more to it then people realize. First off McDonalds was heating the water way hotter than it needed to be to brew coffee. Plus when the woman tried to bring this problem to McDonald's attention and get some help with her medical bills, they basically told her to get lost or talk to thier lawyers. So she got a lawyer, seems pretty straight forward to me.

the result of a warning on something that is already called "HOT" coffee is still, rather stupid. scalding yourself with hot coffee and being surprised because it's hot is a little stupid.

Heineken Helen

failedpersephone wrote:

Don't even get me STARTED on the whole "what about the children" bend that society is taking...something is bad for KIDS and we ALL suffer with a PG existence.

it's illegal for kids anyway... so those stupid little fuckers shouldn't even be NEAR the packs... it's not my fault parents can't keep track of their little bastards

Kel Varnsen

failedpersephone wrote:

I Don't even get me STARTED on the whole "what about the children" bend that society is taking...something is bad for KIDS and we ALL suffer with a PG existence.

Normally I hate think of the children laws, but in this case who is suffering because there are warning on packs of smokes?

failedpersephone wrote:

the result of a warning on something that is already called "HOT" coffee is still, rather stupid. scalding yourself with hot coffee and being surprised because it's hot is a little stupid.

What is the difference between something that is "Hot" and something that is dangerously scalding to the point where it will cause 3rd degree burns? Because a jury decided that McDonald's knew their coffee was more than just "hot" and did nothing about it. You can read about it here.

http://lawandhelp.com/q298-2.htm

Heineken Helen

Kel Varnsen wrote:

Normally I hate think of the children laws, but in this case who is suffering because there are warning on packs of smokes?

you think I should have to look at a picture of a dead person cos I choose to indulge in a LEGAL activity???????

BullSHIT... with a capital F

failedpersephone

What about lambskin condoms? they have been proven to not be very protective against STD's...just pregnancy...so, should there be pictures of genital warts and running sores on the pack?

seriously...warning a smoker of their impending death by smoking is just stupid. YEAH...they GET it...it's not like they cough up half their lung and wonder what that was all about!

SMOKING increases your RISK of many foul health problems...a picture of Deads McGee isn't going to change people's minds.

"hmmn, let me light up...and..what's this? a...a...dead person! dead...from...smoking???! why...i never knew"

yeah. very unlikely.



on a personal note, I would actually "collect the series" of pictures...they seem like something to put in a stamp book. :rolleyes:

Heineken Helen

failedpersephone wrote:

What about lambskin condoms? they have been proven to not be very protective against STD's...just pregnancy...so, should there be pictures of genital warts and running sores on the pack?

seriously...warning a smoker of their impending death by smoking is just stupid. YEAH...they GET it...it's not like they cough up half their lung and wonder what that was all about!

SMOKING increases your RISK of many foul health problems...a picture of Deads McGee isn't going to change people's minds.

"hmmn, let me light up...and..what's this? a...a...dead person! dead...from...smoking???! why...i never knew"

yeah. very unlikely.



on a personal note, I would actually "collect the series" of pictures...they seem like something to put in a stamp book. :rolleyes:

want me to send some empty packs to ya?

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

with the taxes on cigarettes (at home possibly 6euro a pack) I've MORE than paid for my hospital bed... in fact I'm probably funding your kids going to school by now but you won't hear me complaining about that

you've lived in this country approx 16 minutes. you've paid for fuck all towards my kids, just as you've paid fuck all for the NHS bed you will hopefully not need.

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

you're what? 40????

How long did you think your grandparents would live???????????? whether they smoke or not??????

i'm 34. i thought my grandparents might make their 70's. only 1 has.

1 died of cancer aged 66
1 died of asthma, emphysema, lung complications aged 68
and my papa died at age 63 from a heart attack

thanks for the appropriate smileys though.

dunkman

harmless_little_f*** wrote:

Did I say I was for legalising cannabis? I'm not... no use tarring all so-called liberal people with the same brush.



Well done you



I don't think anyone is going to blame the government for not warning them... I think everyone here is saying the opposite. Stop patronising us as if we don't already know the dangers.



So have I... well, smoking, madness/suicide, other types of cancer... people die and it sucks. I don't think it's fair to use 'My granddad died because of what you're doing' as a weapon to judge others. It seems a bit smug. Just as many people's family members die from alcohol problems but by the sound of the Pit, none of us are bothered by the occasional, dangerous binge drink.

i didnt say my grandad died because of what you're doing.

i also didnt tar 'you' with the same brush... i tarred idiots. i.e. smokers.. you have to be stupid to smoke... its in the bible somewhere... near the back.

Thoughts_Arrive

They should put these types of graphic photos on Nickleback, Coldplay, Bon Jovi albums.

South of Seattle

I Love seeing a black lung on a pack of Parliaments when I'm in Canada. Maybe that's why the cost like $10 a pack up there.

Heineken Helen

dunkman wrote:

you've lived in this country approx 16 minutes. you've paid for fuck all towards my kids, just as you've paid fuck all for the NHS bed you will hopefully not need.

I lived here for a year in 2000.... and I paid plenty of taxes and bought plenty of cigarettes then... I'm still buying plenty of cigarettes now. I'm guessing it's about £3 on a pack... so £3 a day over the past ten years is £10,950 and I've smoked longer than 10 years... hardly 'fuck all' as you say. How much have YOU paid towards the hospital bed you will hopefully not need? And that's only taxes I've paid on cigarettes!

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

I lived here for a year in 2000.... and I paid plenty of taxes and bought plenty of cigarettes then... I'm still buying plenty of cigarettes now. I'm guessing it's about £3 on a pack... so £3 a day over the past ten years is £10,950 and I've smoked longer than 10 years... hardly 'fuck all' as you say. How much have YOU paid towards the hospital bed you will hopefully not need? And that's only taxes I've paid on cigarettes!

those 10 years are for Ireland's tax money... not for our country, of which you've lived here 1 year and maybe some months? so a £1000? That'll get you approx 1 hour on a bed with perhaps 18 minutes use of a nebulizer then.

I've paid a shitload more than you... i've worked here for at least 15 years and your paltry £3 per day on cigs (assuming you are yet to be gainfully employed) is nowhere near the £18 tax i pay per day. Perhaps you could reclaim your Irish taxes back? or at least transfer them into the UK system?

catefrances

Heineken Helen wrote:

you think I should have to look at a picture of a dead person cos I choose to indulge in a LEGAL activity???????

BullSHIT... with a capital F

well thank jesus/allah/buddha that im not in charge helen cause i would make smoking illegal. that would be my duty of care as a benevolent dictator.

MrBrian

Heineken Helen wrote:

or do they fear it would stop people from spending? Whereas they can do whatever the fuck they want with smokers... fuckheads!

I fear this is some kinda violation... I don't wanna look at healthy organs on anything... never mind ones that AREN'T healthy.

What if they showed pictures of your own organs? I bet you would stop smoking then....Not that your organs are bad and I hope you are in goooood health, but i'm just saying.

If we could see our lungs and whatever everytime we smoked, we probably would not smoke as much.