Anyone else sick of all the bullshit...

Heineken Helen

Binaural wrote:

Bertie Ahern and Tony Blair have raped this situation for their own political ends for a long time. The fact of the matter is this: NO country has the right to rule over another, the British occupation of 'Northern Ireland' was and is illegal. I know that sounds militant but I don't care, it's the truth. Sinn Fein have supported an IRA that blew up civialians so I have no allegience to them. The DUP are a group of racist, biggoted, sectarian, homophobic leeches. The other parties are nothing but clown shoes. Seriously the whole situation is depressing.
What fucks me off the most though is the descrepancy in treatment of the paramilitaries, for years all the media attention has been devoted to a ceceasment of activity by the IRA. The have disbanded. So where are the same strength of calls for the Loyalist paramilitaries? I don't hear unionists campaigning for THAT too heavily :mad:

I agree with you completely... I'd be seriously pissed off if I was from the north watching these fucking clowns 'play' politics :rolleyes: What the fuck have they done all the time they've been in 'power'? Absolutely nothing! And you're paying for that? It's all so childish and stupid... the only ones who ever seemed to make any kinda effort at being mature were the SDLP and now look at who's on the front of all the papers taking the credit? Ian fucking PAISLEY :eek:

And even the media in the south haven't really commented in the onesidedness of the whole disarmament process. I don't agree with ANY of the IRA stuff BUT I recall there were two sides at it.

Binaural

Heineken Helen wrote:

I agree with you completely... I'd be seriously pissed off if I was from the north watching these fucking clowns 'play' politics :rolleyes: What the fuck have they done all the time they've been in 'power'? Absolutely nothing! And you're paying for that? It's all so childish and stupid... the only ones who ever seemed to make any kinda effort at being mature were the SDLP and now look at who's on the front of all the papers taking the credit? Ian fucking PAISLEY :eek:

And even the media in the south haven't really commented in the onesidedness of the whole disarmament process. I don't agree with ANY of the IRA stuff BUT I recall there were two sides at it.

Agreed, but what fucks me off about the IRA is that THEIR aims were worthwhile, they wanted independance, something that I believe in completely. I have no problems with their war against the police and armed forces, whose opression of nationalists was nothing short of disgusting, however the IRA solied this by making bars etc legitimate targets. They fucked up, and I hate that the IRA of the troubles is considered the same movement as that which fough for independance last century.
Damn, I need a smoke and a coffee :rolleyes::D

Heineken Helen

Binaural wrote:

Agreed, but what fucks me off about the IRA is that THEIR aims were worthwhile, they wanted independance, something that I believe in completely. I have no problems with their war against the police and armed forces, whose opression of nationalists was nothing short of disgusting, however the IRA solied this by making bars etc legitimate targets. They fucked up, and I hate that the IRA of the troubles is considered the same movement as that which fough for independance last century.
Damn, I need a smoke and a coffee :rolleyes::D

Well I definitely agree there was a NEED for the IRA in the 70s and probably the 80s... hmm... I just agree with everything you've said there. Do you really think they're considered the same movement though? Surely most people can differentiate, we owe a LOT to the early IRA/IRB/etc. Nobody can compare those who fought in 1916 to the useless fuckheads who did Omagh???

Also I'm not completely against the idea of punishment beatings against 'troubled youths' let's call them :rolleyes: . I fucking hate teenagers these days... and they seem to KNOW they can get away with whatever they like. Guards can't do anything, regular adults can't touch them or they'll be sued... punishment beatings, or at least the threat OF... should sort them out . Probably not a popular opinion but that's what I think anyway.

Binaural

Heineken Helen wrote:

Well I definitely agree there was a NEED for the IRA in the 70s and probably the 80s... hmm... I just agree with everything you've said there. Do you really think they're considered the same movement though? Surely most people can differentiate, we owe a LOT to the early IRA/IRB/etc. Nobody can compare those who fought in 1916 to the useless fuckheads who did Omagh???

Also I'm not completely against the idea of punishment beatings against 'troubled youths' let's call them :rolleyes: . I fucking hate teenagers these days... and they seem to KNOW they can get away with whatever they like. Guards can't do anything, regular adults can't touch them or they'll be sued... punishment beatings, or at least the threat OF... should sort them out . Probably not a popular opinion but that's what I think anyway.

I dunno, I respect what you're saying but I don't see how shooting a 17 year old through the back of BOTH kneecaps for stealing electrical equitment can be justified (true story), though I think that the joy riding and rapist individuals deserve little sympathy.
Like I said, it's depressing lol.

Heineken Helen

Binaural wrote:

I dunno, I respect what you're saying but I don't see how shooting a 17 year old through the back of BOTH kneecaps for stealing electrical equitment can be justified (true story), though I think that the joy riding and rapist individuals deserve little sympathy.
Like I said, it's depressing lol.

Well no, I don't think it should go that far... I did say 'even the threat OF'. It's just little fuckers can do and KNOW they can do whatever the fuck they want. And I'm not just talking about mischievous kids, I'm talking about the ones that you KNOW are gonna grow up to be dangerous they need sorting out early on I believe... joy riders and rapists ESPECIALLY! Mainly any who feel they have a right to hurt others, I'm not a big fan of thieves either though but I can see how one is much worse than the other

Flannel Shirt

Instead of electing an official to make decisions for us, put ROBOTS in Senate and House. Seriously.

When a vote comes up, your Senator/Rep. Robot has an 800 number you dial into, and you vote "yeah" or "neah", and they vote what their majoriy tells them. One vote per person obviously. Someone smarter than I would come up with the security to prevent hacking and double voting.

If I was a Rep/Senator, I would set up an 800 number TODAY for just such reasons. Fuck polls. Seriously, does anyone trust a poll? You are going to put stock in the results of a poll when the info comes from a group of nuts who actually took the time to answer the questions? I hang up.

"hello Mr. Flannel, I am calling with xyz poll corporation and would like to ask you about the coming elections..."..CLICK - back to watching TV

Heineken Helen

Flannel Shirt wrote:

Instead of electing an official to make decisions for us, put ROBOTS in Senate and House. Seriously.

When a vote comes up, your Senator/Rep. Robot has an 800 number you dial into, and you vote "yeah" or "neah", and they vote what their majoriy tells them. One vote per person obviously. Someone smarter than I would come up with the security to prevent hacking and double voting.

If I was a Rep/Senator, I would set up an 800 number TODAY for just such reasons. Fuck polls. Seriously, does anyone trust a poll? You are going to put stock in the results of a poll when the info comes from a group of nuts who actually took the time to answer the questions? I hang up.

"hello Mr. Flannel, I am calling with xyz poll corporation and would like to ask you about the coming elections..."..CLICK - back to watching TV

not a bad idea though... they are ELECTED by us to work on our behalf, which they're obviously incapable of so yeh, robots would do a better job

Jeanie

Heineken Helen wrote:

Oh things ARE good here, they're really good for the middle class, pretty good for the working class, EXCELLENT for the already wealthy and probably pretty crap for the poor. I know it could be a whole lot worse but I really don't understand why, in this unstable global economy of today, we make ourselves so reliant on American companies... if America pulled all their companies out of Ireland tomorrow, we'd be back to where we were in the 80s. So why, when we have all this money at our disposal right now, aren't we using it to make our country more self reliant? It makes absolutely NO sense to me. It's very hard to go into a supermarket and fill a BASKET with solely Irish goods... even Guinness and Jameson are owned by Diageo (which sounds creepily like diablo) for fuck sake. Next thing you'll have Americans able to buy shares in the Cliffs of Moher... or they probably already can.

It's like the whole Sellafield crap... every couple of years our government WILL bring the British government to some European court demanding that they shut it down. The European court will say no, our government tell us 'well we tried' and that's the end of it til people start acting up again :rolleyes: . American troops will stopover at Shannon, people will complain and they'll say 'but the American's are our friends, we must let them use our airport', but we're a fucking 'NEUTRAL' country we don't have to let them militarily do anything. Argh, I dunno... but I've just realised that I'm much more political in the morning than any other time of the day Interesting.

Oh that's the WEF and globalization at work Helen. It's part of the corporatization of the world. We own fuck all in Australia anymore either. I mean the yanks own VEGEMITE for fucks sake!! And so many overseas interests own our infrastructure too. So it's not just about losing out with manufacturing. It's happening everywhere in the world as far as I can see.
It's to make the rich richer and shake a few more of us out of the middle and working classes back down the ladder. Can't have too many of us in the middle, takes money and power away from the top. Our prime minister has been bending over for Dubblya for so long now, that even Eddie mentioned on the tour! I mean how's that? Our PM is so obviously taking it up the ass from the American president that a singer in an American rock band has noticed and comments while touring. :eek:
I can see why you are over your pollies though!! My GOD those men on the tele last night were as ugly as sin!!! :eek: I thought looking at Little Johnny was bad!!