Here are some pictures I found of actual black eyes. I gotta say hers don't really look like these. If you notice they all have a purple like color to them, and they all have a similar shape unlike the alleged victim's.
I thought well maybe hers looks different because it was taken right after it happened, and the others may have been taken days later, but I would think the last guy's was taken right after too since he has blood on his face still.
And then hers which doesn't look like the others in shape or color
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That said I pass by VP Dick Cheney's house everyday on my way to work...
Are there vampires, goblins, and other evil scary figures on and outside his house?
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Are there vampires, goblins, and other evil scary figures on and outside his house?
Hell no, no decorations in sight maybe closer up near the house itself but nowhere near the Mass Ave. I haven't run into his 21 vehicle motorcade which holds up traffic to no end, I think he takes the helicopter in now.
Too many of us have been giving him the finger this year.
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Hell no, no decorations in sight maybe closer up near the house itself
No I didn't mean Halloween decorations, I meant because he comes across as so evil I picture him living at a house like the Adams' Family house or something. Or the Munsters.
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if i was her? in my very best heath ledger 'joker' voice....
i want my phone call......
ahh damnit I wish I got your reference. I actually didn't see the last Batman movie I need to watch it. Funny story, when I went to Chicago to see PJ play the Vic, I was riding through downtown and they were actually about to start filming a scene for the movie. You could see the "Gotham City" police cars and other props. It was pretty cool.
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No I didn't mean Halloween decorations, I meant because he comes across as so evil I picture him living at a house like the Adams' Family house or something. Or the Munsters.
Yea that's pretty creepy looking. Is that his house?
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Police planned to administer a polygraph test to Ashley Todd, 20, because her statements about the attack conflict with evidence from the Citizens Bank ATM where she claims the incident occurred, police said.
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Police planned to administer a polygraph test to Ashley Todd, 20, because her statements about the attack conflict with evidence from the Citizens Bank ATM where she claims the incident occurred, police said.
Thanks for that update. Something tells me she's either gonna a) refuse the polygraph or b) fail it miserably
I could be wrong we shall see.
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Thanks for that update. Something tells me she's either gonna a) refuse the polygraph or b) fail it miserably
I could be wrong we shall see.
I gather law enforcement is scratching their heads over this case too?
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i like how her hair is messed up for effect as if the attack just happened, yet there seems to be no swelling on her face at all except from the swelling that comes from eating too much BK.
If it was so soon after the attack, her eye would be swollen mostly, if not totally shut.
That B looks very suspicious too. How does someone carefully carve a B like that, without breaking skin too badly with a frantic victim? It looks like someone did it to themselves in a mirror
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LOL jesus christ...this board is freakin' whacked. Pages and pages of posts about THIS????
I wonder what you may think of ALL this if this story turns out to be a hoax? Well according to Fox News she has been administered a polygraph test so we'll hear something soon. However, her story keeps changing though.
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
i like how her hair is messed up for effect as if the attack just happened, yet there seems to be no swelling on her face at all except from the swelling that comes from eating too much BK.
If it was so soon after the attack, her eye would be swollen mostly, if not totally shut.
That B looks very suspicious too. How does someone carefully carve a B like that, without breaking skin too badly with a frantic victim? It looks like someone did it to themselves in a mirror
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I'm listening to Pittsburgh news-talk radio station KDKA on the Internet right now. Nobody is buying the story of "Miss B". She's going to regret doing this. The hoax will follow her around for the rest of her life. And if she didn't get mugged by a black guy? Man, nice move with the race-baiting. Good luck getting a job outside of the right-wing wacko circuit.
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I'm listening to Pittsburgh news-talk radio station KDKA on the Internet right now. Nobody is buying the story of "Miss B". She's going to regret doing this. The hoax will follow her around for the rest of her life. And if she didn't get mugged by a black guy? Man, nice move with the race-baiting. Good luck getting a job outside of the right-wing wacko circuit.
If it is a hoax, I would like to think she would be ostracised, but more likely, we will forget about this by the time her 15 minutes are up.
If she really got attacked, I of course feel bad for her. But if she used that to make up a story for the benefit of her candidate, that is pretty sleazy. Dumb too.
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Sure, but would it be so perfectly legible? Would it be such a shallow wound? Would a person who was just cut by an attacker's knife refuse medical treatment?
Yeah, a backwards "B" (something you'd get by looking into a mirror and carving) in combination with refusal of medical treatment, in addition to now stating she was also sexually assaulted as well...hm. Conveniently, the alleged assault also occurred outside the view of security cameras. Someone else carving such a mark into you from behind would be doing an incredibly sloppy job of it unless they had a lot of practice at it. I would have my doubts that Jack the Ripper could do such a nice, shallow job in a rage.
Her story is very fishy, although it could still turn out to be true. Yet, the sniff test on this says to me...mental issues. If I had to lay down money on this, I'd lay it down on self-mutilation for attention/misguided political purposes.
I'd also like to state that lie detector tests are worthless. Someone I knew took several of them over the course of their career and decided to do a little experiment on one. He deliberately lied on some of the questions. None of the questions he lied on showed up as lies, but oddly a couple of the questions on which he told the truth came up as borderline. He figured these were might have been the after effects of the lies. Also, if a person believes what they are saying, not any of what they say will be flagged as lies. If you honestly believe Bigfoot had his way with you against your will, no lie detector test will ever "catch" you. There's nothing to catch, blood pressure-wise. It's all "true." At least it is to you. It's up to someone else to catch something the lie detector can't...that you're not mentally sound.
So, anyway. I don't want to outright say that what the woman is saying can't be true, but there's a lot pointing to the probable fact that she's probably not entirely well.
i like how her hair is messed up for effect as if the attack just happened, yet there seems to be no swelling on her face at all except from the swelling that comes from eating too much BK.
If it was so soon after the attack, her eye would be swollen mostly, if not totally shut.
That B looks very suspicious too. How does someone carefully carve a B like that, without breaking skin too badly with a frantic victim? It looks like someone did it to themselves in a mirror
Too much BK?? that was cold....lol
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Her believeability would be higher if this was an "O" instead of an "B" hard to tell updiside down. I hope she's telling the truth but it's not looking so good right now.
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as for why we're fascinated by this story, it's because this is either true and if used as ammunition, could swing Pennsylvania and the election ... and if false, is yet another faux race crime claim, which to me, is so very sad.
That said ... news ...
the victim is now changing her story ....
she is saying ...
- The attacker fondled her as well ... groped her, making it a sexual assult as well.
- She now claims she was unconscious during part of the attack
- she now claims she didn't GIVE the guy $60, he must have taken it
Sounds like she may have changed the location ... motive is still her bumper sticker, or perhaps her John McCain button
polygraph was taken, but results not yet released, oh, they questioned her for 5 hours and are bringing her back (doesn't sound like the treatment of a victim, does it?) ... rest of the update here.
Sorry mistake if this is a hoax Mccain has already called her personally. We Shall see.
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Sorry mistake if this is a hoax Mccain has already called her personally. We Shall see.
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Where did you see that McCain called her personally? He keeps making the same types of mistakes. First Palin, then Joe the non-plumber, and now this. Dude needs to wait for the facts before jumping around and injecting himself into a potential hoax.
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...Now police say that evidence from the ATM that she reportedly visited did not match her account. And it turns out she has changed her story, admitting that her assailant did not see a McCain bumper sticker and adding to the account a sexual assault and losing consciousness...
"Police say bank surveillance footage doesn't show her at an ATM where she says she was attacked. Todd, who is white, now says she was knocked unconscious and doesn't remember being cut. She now says she only discovered the wound later."...
"If the incident turns out to be a hoax, Senator McCain's quest for the presidency is over, forever linked to race-baiting."
Which it would be...white woman sexually attacked by black man. Oldest racist trick in the book.
I'm listening to Pittsburgh news-talk radio station KDKA on the Internet right now. Nobody is buying the story of "Miss B". She's going to regret doing this. The hoax will follow her around for the rest of her life. And if she didn't get mugged by a black guy? Man, nice move with the race-baiting. Good luck getting a job outside of the right-wing wacko circuit.
Eh, Al Sharpton is still around decades after the Tawana Brawley hoax, so there is precident for Miss B to make it big on the race baiting circuit.
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If this is a hoax, it really saddens me that people would do that type of things.
If it's not a hoax, I feel for the victim.
Either way, this is a sad story.
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I thought well maybe hers looks different because it was taken right after it happened, and the others may have been taken days later, but I would think the last guy's was taken right after too since he has blood on his face still.
And then hers which doesn't look like the others in shape or color
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What do you think?
Are there vampires, goblins, and other evil scary figures on and outside his house?
Hell no, no decorations in sight maybe closer up near the house itself but nowhere near the Mass Ave. I haven't run into his 21 vehicle motorcade which holds up traffic to no end, I think he takes the helicopter in now.
Too many of us have been giving him the finger this year.
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i want my phone call......
No I didn't mean Halloween decorations, I meant because he comes across as so evil I picture him living at a house like the Adams' Family house or something. Or the Munsters.
ahh damnit I wish I got your reference. I actually didn't see the last Batman movie I need to watch it. Funny story, when I went to Chicago to see PJ play the Vic, I was riding through downtown and they were actually about to start filming a scene for the movie. You could see the "Gotham City" police cars and other props. It was pretty cool.
Yea that's pretty creepy looking. Is that his house?
It's from the movie "Psycho"
Yea that's what I picture Cheney's house looks like. Here's a good one, a little over the top but I could see him living there:
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http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/election/s_594939.html
2nd paragraph ...
Police planned to administer a polygraph test to Ashley Todd, 20, because her statements about the attack conflict with evidence from the Citizens Bank ATM where she claims the incident occurred, police said.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Thanks for that update. Something tells me she's either gonna a) refuse the polygraph or b) fail it miserably
I could be wrong we shall see.
I gather law enforcement is scratching their heads over this case too?
Peace
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
If it was so soon after the attack, her eye would be swollen mostly, if not totally shut.
That B looks very suspicious too. How does someone carefully carve a B like that, without breaking skin too badly with a frantic victim? It looks like someone did it to themselves in a mirror
I wonder what you may think of ALL this if this story turns out to be a hoax? Well according to Fox News she has been administered a polygraph test so we'll hear something soon. However, her story keeps changing though.
Peace
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.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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If it is a hoax, I would like to think she would be ostracised, but more likely, we will forget about this by the time her 15 minutes are up.
If she really got attacked, I of course feel bad for her. But if she used that to make up a story for the benefit of her candidate, that is pretty sleazy. Dumb too.
Yeah, a backwards "B" (something you'd get by looking into a mirror and carving) in combination with refusal of medical treatment, in addition to now stating she was also sexually assaulted as well...hm. Conveniently, the alleged assault also occurred outside the view of security cameras. Someone else carving such a mark into you from behind would be doing an incredibly sloppy job of it unless they had a lot of practice at it. I would have my doubts that Jack the Ripper could do such a nice, shallow job in a rage.
Her story is very fishy, although it could still turn out to be true. Yet, the sniff test on this says to me...mental issues. If I had to lay down money on this, I'd lay it down on self-mutilation for attention/misguided political purposes.
I'd also like to state that lie detector tests are worthless. Someone I knew took several of them over the course of their career and decided to do a little experiment on one. He deliberately lied on some of the questions. None of the questions he lied on showed up as lies, but oddly a couple of the questions on which he told the truth came up as borderline. He figured these were might have been the after effects of the lies. Also, if a person believes what they are saying, not any of what they say will be flagged as lies. If you honestly believe Bigfoot had his way with you against your will, no lie detector test will ever "catch" you. There's nothing to catch, blood pressure-wise. It's all "true." At least it is to you. It's up to someone else to catch something the lie detector can't...that you're not mentally sound.
So, anyway. I don't want to outright say that what the woman is saying can't be true, but there's a lot pointing to the probable fact that she's probably not entirely well.
Too much BK?? that was cold....lol
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
That said ... news ...
the victim is now changing her story ....
she is saying ...
- The attacker fondled her as well ... groped her, making it a sexual assult as well.
- She now claims she was unconscious during part of the attack
- she now claims she didn't GIVE the guy $60, he must have taken it
Sounds like she may have changed the location ... motive is still her bumper sticker, or perhaps her John McCain button
polygraph was taken, but results not yet released, oh, they questioned her for 5 hours and are bringing her back (doesn't sound like the treatment of a victim, does it?) ... rest of the update here.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/cityregion/s_595049.html
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Sorry mistake if this is a hoax Mccain has already called her personally. We Shall see.
Peace
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.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Where did you see that McCain called her personally? He keeps making the same types of mistakes. First Palin, then Joe the non-plumber, and now this. Dude needs to wait for the facts before jumping around and injecting himself into a potential hoax.
"Police say bank surveillance footage doesn't show her at an ATM where she says she was attacked. Todd, who is white, now says she was knocked unconscious and doesn't remember being cut. She now says she only discovered the wound later."...
"If the incident turns out to be a hoax, Senator McCain's quest for the presidency is over, forever linked to race-baiting."
Which it would be...white woman sexually attacked by black man. Oldest racist trick in the book.
The salient points, I believe, from Huffington.
Eh, Al Sharpton is still around decades after the Tawana Brawley hoax, so there is precident for Miss B to make it big on the race baiting circuit.
If it's not a hoax, I feel for the victim.
Either way, this is a sad story.