Setting The Record Straight

he still stands

one more thing... was this all a joke? I kinda feel silly right now because after going back through the thread I realized it is quite ridiculous... and I'm starting to think that I might be a victim of a practical joke.

onelongsong

he still stands wrote:

. People 50 years ago ONLY ate fatty steaks and were THIN!!!

50 years ago before all the drugs and chemicals people could eat fatty steaks and stay thin because the beef was grass fed and the fat was yellow fat which reduces bad colesterol. why do you think you can't eat fatty steaks now without putting on lots of weight? you've proven my point in one sentence.

hsewif

has anyone ever eaten a buffalo burger or cow meat that hasn't been fed/injected with anything unnatural?

I made tacos the other night with all-natural ground beef and I couldn't believe the difference in texture...and buffalo burgers are really tasty. Also-all that pink juice in your hamburger package? It's dye. You might as well suck on a marker, it's the same thing!

OneLSong makes an interesting point about wild animals not really bothering cows. In Northern Wisconsin, you rarely read about livestock being killed by coyotes or Timberwolves...it's the wild deer they're after. That doesn't make sense. Wouldn't it be easier to chase and kill a fat cow in a fenced-in field than a very fast deer in the wild?

A quick google search led me to an article about Montana cattle...2.2% of the state-wide population was killed by coyotes in 1995, MORE were killed by bad weather. Sheep on the other hand (grass fed animals) are prime targets.

I don't know anything about the medicinal properties of buffalo meat but I know for a fact that the Specialty Game market (buffalo, osterich, Emu, etc) is very, very big. Multi-million $ big.

edit-and I wouldn't talk too much about any legal issues in this forum. I forget the background story but I absolutely remember someone saying that they posted something here and the FBI knocked on their door the next day. (hopefully someone can back me up on this as I don't think I imagined it. )

AngelofIndifference

I agree that medicinal buffalo meat is a ridiculous concept.

Even if a medical journal says certain fats and chemicals found in certain foods are highly correlated with killing cancer cells a correlation does not prove buffalo meat is the answer...it doesn't prove anything...it's simply reporting a correlation in a controlled experiment. I am sure those professionals who study the affects of eating red meat on your colon would tell you not to eat buffalo according to their experimental findings. How ironic if everyone goes out any gorges on this miracle medicinal buffalo meat and end ups with a brick in their ass.

My point is correlation does not equal proof and with every professional's opinion you read telling you to do one thing there is going to be another tells you to do the opposite. Take studies for what they are...a work in progress.

There are always problems when those draw quick conclusions from data especially when it comes to medicine.

For example:
Merck use to create MDMA methylenedioxymethamphetamine or Ecstasy for the military control wound bleeding. Then they figured out it made them feel great. Then they realized it also tore holes in the brain and caused addiction. Or how about Vioxx...many studies showed it helps relieve arthritis and then over time we realized Vioxx makes people drop dead.

I'm not saying buffalo meat will tear holes in your brain or make you drop dead but since you are treating it as a medicine…you can't take data as fact and run with it...although businesses often do, so I can see if your money is in buffalo (which by the way tastes like ass) why you would support these findings in favor of your business.

he still stands

hsewif wrote:

A quick google search led me to an article about Montana cattle...2.2% of the state-wide population was killed by coyotes in 1995, MORE were killed by bad weather. Sheep on the other hand (grass fed animals) are prime targets.

Full grown cows weight 2000-2500 lbs. and if you have ever tried getting close to one of their calves you know that they can get mean. Sheep weigh a couple hundred pounds (about 15-20% of a cow). So I think this might have something to do with sheep being targeted by coyotes instead of cows.

And I promised not to participate in this forum any longer, but since my family's livelihood largely depends on the price of beef, I feel it is my duty to do so. I'm not going to let an "Oprah-type", misled statement continue. So here is my final statement:

For meat to be approved as safe, a drug must be metabolized in the animal's body and broken down or excreted, within a certain time. Cattle producers, feedlot operators and veterinarians continually receive updated information to ensure that proper withdrawal times are followed when antibiotics are administered. Organs, such as the kidney and liver, remove residual drugs and greatly reduce the content present in the meat. These organs are the tissues tested for residues, but the content in red meat is less by many many times. Those who are concerned about meat residues may want to factor in dilution. Consumers don't eat the whole cow at once, and most people would seldom get more than one or two servings from the same animal. A reducing effect occurs on many drugs, from the processing of the product, (this includes washing, freezing and cooking). These combined factors result in a risk that is infinitesimally small for any problems of human ill health because of drug residues.

Finally, livestock producers know that their future depends on a safe and healthy product. These producers' food source, in almost every occurence, comes from their own herd. Why would they destroy their business, livelihood, and poison their family by knowingly using a substance in meat that "even coyotes won't eat?"

So my point: if you don't want to eat regular beef or buffalo or whatever, fine. Open-range beef is BETTER for you IF you are eating beef more than 5 or 6 times a week. But don't stop eating these meats because you are scared that they have unprocessed drugs in them that are unhealthy. It is simply untrue. And more importantly, don't tell others this myth without informing yourself of the facts.

Cosmo

Wow... this thing is still out there?
...
I see it went from setting the record straight to a discussion of beef.
The way I see it... the only thing we really know about life is that we know we are all going to die and that we don't know what happens when we die. I only get one shot at this life... and I happen to like a nice steak and carne asada tacos and hamburgers. So, I will eat them, knowing that they aren't really the best things to eat.
And think about it... the latter part of life kinda sucks. You lose shit that I'm sure that you truely miss... like memories and erections and the ability to pull up your own pants. We'll get all decrepid and liver spotted and forget who are kids are and that Pearl Jam concert in San Francisco. I don't want that shit.
If having Prime Rib and a cigarette and a glass of scotch afterwards shaves of a few days of my life... I think it's a fair exchange. It's the old, decreipd days I'm losing... not the enjoying a nice steak dinner today, days.

he still stands

Cosmo wrote:

Wow... this thing is still out there?
...
I see it went from setting the record straight to a discussion of beef.
The way I see it... the only thing we really know about life is that we know we are all going to die and that we don't know what happens when we die. I only get one shot at this life... and I happen to like a nice steak and carne asada tacos and hamburgers. So, I will eat them, knowing that they aren't really the best things to eat.
And think about it... the latter part of life kinda sucks. You lose shit that I'm sure that you truely miss... like memories and erections and the ability to pull up your own pants. We'll get all decrepid and liver spotted and forget who are kids are and that Pearl Jam concert in San Francisco. I don't want that shit.
If having Prime Rib and a cigarette and a glass of scotch afterwards shaves of a few days of my life... I think it's a fair exchange. It's the old, decreipd days I'm losing... not the enjoying a nice steak dinner today, days.

Holy shit a sane person!!! I thought I was losing my mind over the last couple days in this thread.

hsewif

he still stands wrote:

Holy shit a sane person!!! I thought I was losing my mind over the last couple days in this thread.

I thought you weren't coming back?

I'm sane too, and actually craving filet mignon and a bottle of cabernet.

Thanks for taking the time to type out what you did...and it does make sense...but I'll still buy the natural meats when I can. (and not tell my husband that it's 5.99 a pound). If only for this reason:

sure, the amounts present are minimal. BUT...even you admit that a person shouldn't eat it 7 nights a week. That's what worries me. I can avoid the beef but aren't the same types of chemicals put in other foods? really...

Beef one night, chicken the next, throw in some pork chops...maybe breakfast (eggs) for dinner one night....I don't like to think about what's in a hot dog...lunchmeats...people easily consume too much chemically altered food. The saying 'everything in moderation' should apply here, too.

also-my pediatrician told me about a theory...young girls today are menstruating at younger ages because of the hormones in our food. Yikes.

he still stands

hsewif wrote:

I thought you weren't coming back?
sure, the amounts present are minimal. BUT...even you admit that a person shouldn't eat it 7 nights a week. That's what worries me. I can avoid the beef but aren't the same types of chemicals put in other foods? really...

I said that because beef is fatty (thats why it tastes so darn good) not because I think it has chemicals in it. Just like eggs or potatoes, they are perfectly healthy to eat as long as you don't eat a ton of them every day.

And yes I did say I was going to stay away. But this board is my f'ing addiction for some reason!!!

Jeanwah

I didn't read all the posts here (the topic obviously got derailed there for a point anyway), but I remember you OneLongSong, with your tidbits of information about yourself that was, Oh so unclear, in other threads. My question is this...Why bother trying to come clean and start a thread w/ more jargon about your "supposed" life, anyway? Is your conscience bothering you? Do you really feel the need for people to believe that you're not a criminal?

I see many holes in all of your "stories", and I tried to understand you but you clearly haven't been telling the straight truth, because it all doesn't make sense. This latest story that you stated at the beginning of this thread doesn't match to what you said prior to, as Cosmo pointed out. If you are REALLY innocent in all this, there would be no reason to run and hide and assume a false identity, or rather, "no identity" as you put it (which is clue #1 that you're not so innocent).

Anyway, what I really want to say is...Whatever! Don't feel the need to prove yourself, you've said too much already. Good luck.