Setting The Record Straight

prism

onelongsong wrote:

medical grade buffalo meat is used for heart patients and cancer patients. the difference is the yellow fat. when an animal is fed grain it produces white fat which is high in colesterol. if you've had a buffalo burger it was cut with beef suet. buffalo is expensive and every supplier adds beef to boost profits. buffalo producers are now feed lotting the animals to boost the weight by packing them is small corrals to limit exercise and feeding them grain for fast weight gain before market. because of this condition; the animals are being pumped full of drugs to combat disease. because buffalo meat was recently found to combat cancer; google isn't up to date but try again in a couple weeks. it'll be there. the term medicinal grade is also new because the feed lot practice is new. buffalo raised on natural pasture are lean with little fat. they don't get the diseases cattle get because they haven't been pumped full of drugs and hormones...YET.
any other questions?

no questions, although i must say: I'm so fucking happy to be a vegetarian!

onelongsong

Cosmo wrote:

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I'm not a tax guy... so, the answer is NO. I don't know how to fanagle my way around the tax laws to avoid paying taxes. I'm guessing that you didn't actually live off of... let's see... zero dollars... times nine years... carry the zero... Zero dollars for Nine years. You must have had some sort of income to buy... food and toilet paper. But, I'm guessing through some 'creative accounting', you could still get the food and toilet paper and bill it as 'Corporate expenditures'... sort of like the way that Tyco Exec bought that 20,000 dollar shower curtain... except, on a smaller scale.
Again... it is THIS statement:
"i can understand not finding someone in vast wilderness. i live in a small town in the mountians and the government has been looking for me for 9 years now. as long as i don't pay taxes they never will find me. becoming invisable is easy."
Keys:
"Government looking for me for 9 years."
"As long as I don't pay taxes, they (the Government) will never find me."
"Becoming 'Invisible' is easy."
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If this is O.J. saying this... what are you thinking? And please, don't tell me you'd get the South Dakota/Chicago multi-million dollar Buffalo Ranch corporation tax mumbo jumbo, daughter's name, smuggling ring, Bahamas, dead guy, vengeful ex-wife from that one statement. I didn't get it. All i got was hiding from the Government for some reason... and avoiding taxes to avoid being discovered and trying to become 'invisible'... like some sort of witness protection double identity thing.

are you going to tell me you didn't buy gold when the price dropped? ingots are bought after tax. saftey deposit boxes are great for storing them. think about it. what would you do if the financial structure collapsed? didn't you think of your future? i'll admitt my businesses were inherited; but you have to think of the future.

Cosmo

onelongsong wrote:

are you going to tell me you didn't buy gold when the price dropped? ingots are bought after tax. saftey deposit boxes are great for storing them. think about it. what would you do if the financial structure collapsed? didn't you think of your future? i'll admitt my businesses were inherited; but you have to think of the future.

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I guess I'd have to whore myself out.

prism

Cosmo wrote:

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I guess I'd have to whore myself out.

you can't pay the rent with quarters

onelongsong

Cosmo wrote:

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I'm not a tax guy... so, the answer is NO. I don't know how to fanagle my way around the tax laws to avoid paying taxes. I'm guessing that you didn't actually live off of... let's see... zero dollars... times nine years... carry the zero... Zero dollars for Nine years. You must have had some sort of income to buy... food and toilet paper. But, I'm guessing through some 'creative accounting', you could still get the food and toilet paper and bill it as 'Corporate expenditures'... sort of like the way that Tyco Exec bought that 20,000 dollar shower curtain... except, on a smaller scale.
Again... it is THIS statement:
"i can understand not finding someone in vast wilderness. i live in a small town in the mountians and the government has been looking for me for 9 years now. as long as i don't pay taxes they never will find me. becoming invisable is easy."
Keys:
"Government looking for me for 9 years."
"As long as I don't pay taxes, they (the Government) will never find me."
"Becoming 'Invisible' is easy."
...
If this is O.J. saying this... what are you thinking? And please, don't tell me you'd get the South Dakota/Chicago multi-million dollar Buffalo Ranch corporation tax mumbo jumbo, daughter's name, smuggling ring, Bahamas, dead guy, vengeful ex-wife from that one statement. I didn't get it. All i got was hiding from the Government for some reason... and avoiding taxes to avoid being discovered and trying to become 'invisible'... like some sort of witness protection double identity thing.

i take it you've never lived on a ranch or farm. what food do you need to buy? you're at the source. toilet paper; yes. $5.00/month?
sure; it's a wild story someone needs to write a book about; but is it any stranger than bin ladin selling weapons and attacking the US? is it stranger than watergate or the thousands being released from prison when DNA exonerates them? is it stranger than the innocent people imprisoned because someone falsely testifies against them?

onelongsong

prism wrote:

you can't pay the rent with quarters

RENT??? WHAT'S RENT? i own everything outright. paid in full.

onelongsong

prism wrote:

no questions, although i must say: I'm so fucking happy to be a vegetarian!

if i told you about the vegetable industry you'd stop eating all together.

he still stands

onelongsong wrote:

medical grade buffalo meat is used for heart patients and cancer patients. the difference is the yellow fat. when an animal is fed grain it produces white fat which is high in colesterol. if you've had a buffalo burger it was cut with beef suet. buffalo is expensive and every supplier adds beef to boost profits. buffalo producers are now feed lotting the animals to boost the weight by packing them is small corrals to limit exercise and feeding them grain for fast weight gain before market. because of this condition; the animals are being pumped full of drugs to combat disease. because buffalo meat was recently found to combat cancer; google isn't up to date but try again in a couple weeks. it'll be there. the term medicinal grade is also new because the feed lot practice is new. buffalo raised on natural pasture are lean with little fat. they don't get the diseases cattle get because they haven't been pumped full of drugs and hormones...YET.
any other questions?

WTF?

Used for heart patients and cancer patients? All that you are talking about that is cancer fighting is CLA, which is found in most meats and milk. Yes, its true that CLA is higher in grass-fed animal, but I hardly think that MILK or MEAT should be given to a cancer patient (implying that someone already has cancer) as a CURE.

And should I call the 2% milk that I drank tonight "medicinal quality?" How about the steak that I ate? Like I said before... hilarical. If anybody falls for this shit and buys buffalo meat because they think it will cure cancer... they are retarded. Drink a glass of milk, eat some vegetables, don't smoke... all are good ideas but hardly "medicinal"


note: I majored in Agriculture Science in college (yes I know that sounds glamorous) and took several Animal Science courses

prism

onelongsong wrote:

if i told you about the vegetable industry you'd stop eating all together.

well you're clearly delusional so excuse me while i go chomp on my spinach-free salad

prism

onelongsong wrote:

RENT??? WHAT'S RENT? i own everything outright. paid in full.

there's this thing called property taxes....or are you going to claim that you don't have to pay those too?

onelongsong

he still stands wrote:

WTF?

Used for heart patients and cancer patients? All that you are talking about that is cancer fighting is CLA, which is found in most meats and milk. Yes, its true that CLA is higher in grass-fed animal, but I hardly think that MILK or MEAT should be given to a cancer patient (implying that someone already has cancer) as a CURE.

And should I call the 2% milk that I drank tonight "medicinal quality?" How about the steak that I ate? Like I said before... hilarical. If anybody falls for this shit and buys buffalo meat because they think it will cure cancer... they are retarded. Drink a glass of milk, eat some vegetables, don't smoke... all are good ideas but hardly "medicinal"


note: I majored in Agriculture Science in college (yes I know that sounds glamorous) and took several Animal Science courses

you might want to check the AMJ. december 2005 issue i believe. i've got a cardiologist in MA that urges his patients to eat buffalo and will take all i can send him. you bring up a good point tho. some people don't see the medicinal quality of pot; yet several doctors prescribe it where possible and reccomend it where it cannot be prescribed. the patients do much better. ask montel williams; or listen to what rodney dangerfield said about it. when you consider that beef is packed with antibiotics because they've become immune or tollerant to them; you must also admitt that these drugs are in the meat. with your education; you should know that these drugs can no longer be stopped because the cows become sickly. i can send you pictures of open range beef and you'll never eat beef again. i make a good buck riding the open range collecting skulls and selling them. and the wild animals you'd expect to eat the carcass won't touch them. fyi: the human body cannot digest milk. it has become tollerant to it. just like olive oil. olive oil is better to cook with because it can be heated to a higher temperature thus sealing the food faster; whereas vegetable oil soaks into the food before searing is complete. colleges are great but only teach one side. college with hands on experiance gives you a better understanding.

onelongsong

prism wrote:

there's this thing called property taxes....or are you going to claim that you don't have to pay those too?

have you ever owned wilderness land? i can pay my taxes with quarters. you can verify this by checking the assessors website. northern az.

onelongsong

it's been fun but i've got to run until tomorrow. have a good night everyone.

he still stands

onelongsong wrote:

you might want to check the AMJ. december 2005 issue i believe. i've got a cardiologist in MA that urges his patients to eat buffalo and will take all i can send him. you bring up a good point tho. some people don't see the medicinal quality of pot; yet several doctors prescribe it where possible and reccomend it where it cannot be prescribed. the patients do much better. ask montel williams; or listen to what rodney dangerfield said about it. when you consider that beef is packed with antibiotics because they've become immune or tollerant to them; you must also admitt that these drugs are in the meat. with your education; you should know that these drugs can no longer be stopped because the cows become sickly. i can send you pictures of open range beef and you'll never eat beef again. i make a good buck riding the open range collecting skulls and selling them. and the wild animals you'd expect to eat the carcass won't touch them. fyi: the human body cannot digest milk. it has become tollerant to it. just like olive oil. olive oil is better to cook with because it can be heated to a higher temperature thus sealing the food faster; whereas vegetable oil soaks into the food before searing is complete. colleges are great but only teach one side. college with hands on experiance gives you a better understanding.

Wow. again.

So eating buffalo is tantamount to the effects of medicinal pot? So it reduces the symptoms of an illness just like pot? ....okay.

I never said anything about antibiotics. If you want to pursue that niche market of feeding grass and no antibiotics more power to ya... but I'll stick to my grain-fed beef that has marbling and tastes good Hormone growth promotants and antibiotics have been used for more than 40 years and scientists worldwide, most importantly the FDA, agree their use poses no risk to human health.

"The human body can't digest milk" ??? -- I drink lots of milk, but don't pee or poop milk

Yes I know that "hands on experience" is better than college experience alone. For 20 years I lived on a 2000 acre corn/soybean and livestock farm in Illinois. So I agree.

BeBe

I find this thread nothing short of intriguing! I have no clue what's going on but I really want to know more.

jlew24asu

BeBe wrote:

I find this thread nothing short of intriguing! I have no clue what's going on but I really want to know more.

it is good reading i'll give them that

PaperPlates

jlew24asu wrote:

it is good reading i'll give them that

Its like a lost chapter from Fear and Loathing In Las Vegas...................

onelongsong

he still stands wrote:

Wow. again.

So eating buffalo is tantamount to the effects of medicinal pot? So it reduces the symptoms of an illness just like pot? ....okay.

I never said anything about antibiotics. If you want to pursue that niche market of feeding grass and no antibiotics more power to ya... but I'll stick to my grain-fed beef that has marbling and tastes good Hormone growth promotants and antibiotics have been used for more than 40 years and scientists worldwide, most importantly the FDA, agree their use poses no risk to human health.

"The human body can't digest milk" ??? -- I drink lots of milk, but don't pee or poop milk

Yes I know that "hands on experience" is better than college experience alone. For 20 years I lived on a 2000 acre corn/soybean and livestock farm in Illinois. So I agree.

i don't know how you got the connection between pot and buffalo meat. the comparrison was between two different medical treatments that are not recognised because they are natural and not reproducable by chemical companies. this here is the key. who lobbies for nature? now who lobbies for the chemical companies? i can list thousands of class action lawsuits for drugs the FDA has approved yet had to remove when people were dying from them. you're right about the 40 years. now compare the health of people now compared to 50 years ago. people now are drugged to live longer; but no one in my family died before 95 yrs old except for accidents. my grandfather is almost 100 and more active than most 70 yr olds. he doesn't get sick like the people around him either. the only difference is in the food he eats. now look at all the new diseases and ailments "discovered" in the last 40 years. why don't people who eat properly get these new diseases? why do some people in third world countries live to be 100+ without all this technology and medical treatment? why don't they get modern diseases until we come in to "save" them? they don't have the resistance because why? they never had those illnesses until we got there. why do you think organic food is so much better for you? no chemicals to gather in your liver and other organs and slowly poison you.
as a kid i milked over 100 cows and i saw it myself. the meat raised for ourselves were raised completely different. what went to market were raised like everyone else did. i'm sure your personal meat is raised differently. you'll take the marbling but you'll also take the pills to lower your collesterol; eventually. one poison to counter act the other.
as long as the FDA is controlled by the chemical companies we'll never get it right.

he still stands

onelongsong wrote:

i don't know how you got the connection between pot and buffalo meat. the comparrison was between two different medical treatments that are not recognised because they are natural and not reproducable by chemical companies. this here is the key. who lobbies for nature? now who lobbies for the chemical companies? i can list thousands of class action lawsuits for drugs the FDA has approved yet had to remove when people were dying from them. you're right about the 40 years. now compare the health of people now compared to 50 years ago. people now are drugged to live longer; but no one in my family died before 95 yrs old except for accidents. my grandfather is almost 100 and more active than most 70 yr olds. he doesn't get sick like the people around him either. the only difference is in the food he eats. now look at all the new diseases and ailments "discovered" in the last 40 years. why don't people who eat properly get these new diseases? why do some people in third world countries live to be 100+ without all this technology and medical treatment? why don't they get modern diseases until we come in to "save" them? they don't have the resistance because why? they never had those illnesses until we got there. why do you think organic food is so much better for you? no chemicals to gather in your liver and other organs and slowly poison you.
as a kid i milked over 100 cows and i saw it myself. the meat raised for ourselves were raised completely different. what went to market were raised like everyone else did. i'm sure your personal meat is raised differently. you'll take the marbling but you'll also take the pills to lower your collesterol; eventually. one poison to counter act the other.
as long as the FDA is controlled by the chemical companies we'll never get it right.

You made the comparison of buffalo meat and pot... not me. And you are still calling buffalo meat a "medical treatment"... I don't, and won't, agree with this. Its just ridiculous. Its like calling carrots a medical treatment because they are good for the eyes.

All I have to say about the health of people now versus 40 years ago is this, look at the age expectancy now versus 40 years ago and compare. Yes people are fatter now but I hardly think that this is due to eating GMO and pesticide-treated crops. (reasons explained below)

And organic food is not necessarily better for you. How many people have died from E Coli in the past couple of weeks from eating GMO food? How many people have died from E Coli in the past couple of weeks from eating organic food?

And don't tell me that I have or will get high cholesterol. I'm 6' 210 with 5% body fat, bench 350 lbs and played football up until college. I eat whatever I want, but I also go to the gym 4-5 days a week. Thats the key, people need to get off their ass instead of eating a Big Mac and then watching TV or playing PlayStation for 6 hours. The other side of the equation is that people are simply eating MORE then they used to, so these are bigger problems than people eating a fatty steak. People 50 years ago ONLY ate fatty steaks and were THIN!!!

Anyways, this has been an interesting thread but I need to relieve myself from it. Arguments based upon opinion instead of fact annoy me.

onelongsong

he still stands wrote:

You made the comparison of buffalo meat and pot... not me. And you are still calling buffalo meat a "medical treatment"... I don't, and won't, agree with this. Its just ridiculous. Its like calling carrots a medical treatment because they are good for the eyes.

All I have to say about the health of people now versus 40 years ago is this, look at the age expectancy now versus 40 years ago and compare. Yes people are fatter now but I hardly think that this is due to eating GMO and pesticide-treated crops. (reasons explained below)

And organic food is not necessarily better for you. How many people have died from E Coli in the past couple of weeks from eating GMO food? How many people have died from E Coli in the past couple of weeks from eating organic food?

And don't tell me that I have or will get high cholesterol. I'm 6' 210 with 5% body fat, bench 350 lbs and played football up until college. I eat whatever I want, but I also go to the gym 4-5 days a week. Thats the key, people need to get off their ass instead of eating a Big Mac and then watching TV or playing PlayStation for 6 hours. The other side of the equation is that people are simply eating MORE then they used to, so these are bigger problems than people eating a fatty steak. People 50 years ago ONLY ate fatty steaks and were THIN!!!

Anyways, this has been an interesting thread but I need to relieve myself from it. Arguments based upon opinion instead of fact annoy me.

it was the american medical journal that stated that a compound was found in buffalo meat that actually kills cancerous cells. that is not my claim. e. coli is a sanitary issue. more people have gotten e. coli from meat and milk than any other source. i'm not sure why you think a compound proven to clog arteries will not clog yours; but more power to ya.