We Didn't Steal It.

onelongsong

http://www.cnsnews.com/indepth/archive/199809/IND19980914g.html

i'm tired of hearing about how we stole land from mexico. here's the true story of what happened.

dunkman

all US soil was stolen anyway.

Pacomc79

dunkman wrote:

all US soil was stolen anyway.

all soil of all soverign nations has been taken by force.

History is simply written by the victors.

onelongsong

dunkman wrote:

all US soil was stolen anyway.

if we want to stoop to that mentality; all land everywhere was stolen from someone. EXCEPT a good portion of america. land was bought from the american indians; the french; and mexico. they received compensation. mexico is still not a developed nation. we bought thousands of acres of worthless desert. most of it is still worthless desert. but something everyone seems to forget is the people living in those states VOTED to become a part of the union. if the mexicans living in california at the time wanted to remain under a dictators rule they could have voted that way. but they didn't. instead of being mad at their ancestors who voted to become part of the union; we hear that the us stole the land. had california stayed a part of mexico it still wouldn't be developed and they'd be sneeking into the us FROM california.
if the us is so bad; why is everyone trying to get in?

dunkman

onelongsong wrote:

if the us is so bad; why is everyone trying to get in?

so they can shoot each other?

onelongsong

dunkman wrote:

so they can shoot each other?

i should have expected that kind of response.

catefrances

onelongsong wrote:

if we want to stoop to that mentality; all land everywhere was stolen from someone. EXCEPT a good portion of america. land was bought from the american indians; the french; and mexico. they received compensation. mexico is still not a developed nation. we bought thousands of acres of worthless desert. most of it is still worthless desert. but something everyone seems to forget is the people living in those states VOTED to become a part of the union. if the mexicans living in california at the time wanted to remain under a dictators rule they could have voted that way. but they didn't. instead of being mad at their ancestors who voted to become part of the union; we hear that the us stole the land. had california stayed a part of mexico it still wouldn't be developed and they'd be sneeking into the us FROM california.
if the us is so bad; why is everyone trying to get in?

blah blah blah blah

and 'everyone' is trying to get in beacuse of the fabulous marketing campaign about the united states being the land of opportunity, a big old melting pot, home of the brave and land of the free.

onelongsong

catefrances wrote:

blah blah blah blah

and 'everyone' is trying to get in beacuse of the fabulous marketing campaign about the united states being the land of opportunity, a big old melting pot, home of the brave and land of the free.

exactly. there's years of waiting to immigrate legally and over a million sneeking in each year illegally. what do we have that everyone wants?

Cosmo

catefrances wrote:

blah blah blah blah

and 'everyone' is trying to get in beacuse of the fabulous marketing campaign about the united states being the land of opportunity, a big old melting pot, home of the brave and land of the free.

...
They want to come here so they can inherit the arrogance to call the rest of the world a bunch of stupid fucking foriegners who live in crappy countries.

MLC2006

it's funny that dunkman likes to talk shit about the US when the only thing his country is known for is the invention of the man dress.

melodious

onelongsong wrote:

exactly. there's years of waiting to immigrate legally and over a million sneeking in each year illegally. what do we have that everyone wants?

according to my resources what we have is gainful employment that many americans wouldn't do..
many nationales feel that human ugliness is more prevailant south of the border..

p.s. did you ever hear of manifest destiny????

Collin

MLC2006 wrote:

it's funny that dunkman likes to talk shit about the US when the only thing his country is known for is the invention of the man dress.

Some sort of joke, funny.

onelongsong wrote:

had california stayed a part of mexico it still wouldn't be developed

You have some weird psychic powers, man.

if the us is so bad; why is everyone trying to get in?

What kind of logic is that? I think you can come up with something smarter than that.

kenny olav

onelongsong wrote:

http://www.cnsnews.com/indepth/archive/199809/IND19980914g.html

i'm tired of hearing about how we stole land from mexico. here's the true story of what happened.

Let's see if this makes sense.

"Despite the huge amount of territory involved in the treaty, only about 80,000 Mexicans lived in the whole Southwest"

Why exactly does the number of Mexicans living there matter? So when 300,000 Americans moved in for the Gold Rush of 1849 and declare California a U.S. state a year later, we can just assume the now vastly outnumbered Mexicans were cool with that?

Furthermore, the internal struggles between the indigenous peoples and the Spainards had nothing to do with the Americans.

Congressman Abraham Lincoln was a strong opponent of then President Polk for his waging of the Mexican War, but ironically, The Claremont Institute which put out this article "has great admiration for the statesmanship of America's founding fathers as well as that of Abraham Lincoln and Winston Churchill."

melodious

Kenny Olav wrote:

Let's see if this makes sense.

"Despite the huge amount of territory involved in the treaty, only about 80,000 Mexicans lived in the whole Southwest"

Why exactly does the number of Mexicans living there matter? So when 300,000 Americans moved in for the Gold Rush of 1849 and declare California a U.S. state a year later, we can just assume the now vastly outnumbered Mexicans were cool with that?

It's a horrible mess...

onelongsong

Kenny Olav wrote:

Let's see if this makes sense.

"Despite the huge amount of territory involved in the treaty, only about 80,000 Mexicans lived in the whole Southwest"

Why exactly does the number of Mexicans living there matter? So when 300,000 Americans moved in for the Gold Rush of 1849 and declare California a U.S. state a year later, we can just assume the now vastly outnumbered Mexicans were cool with that?

Furthermore, the internal struggles between the indigenous peoples and the Spainards had nothing to do with the Americans.

Congressman Abraham Lincoln was a strong opponent of then President Polk for his waging of the Mexican War, but ironically, The Claremont Institute which put out this article "has great admiration for the statesmanship of America's founding fathers as well as that of Abraham Lincoln and Winston Churchill."

have you ever seen this vast amount of territory? it's worthless. at least most of it is. worthless desert uninhabitable by humans.
but wait; let's look at all the territory england has conquered over the world. from india; to the falklands to austrailia. why don't we hear about this?
mexico is still an undeveloped country and the chances that they would have built hoover dam to bring water to some of this area are nil. the southwest would still only be area to pass through to get into the us.

Jeanie

onelongsong wrote:

......let's look at all the territory england has conquered over the world. from india; to the falklands to australia. why don't we hear about this?

Um.....England did not and will never "conquer" Australia.

onelongsong

Jeanie wrote:

Um.....England did not and will never "conquer" Australia.

the queen seems to think differently.

Jeanie

onelongsong wrote:

the queen seems to think differently.

Actually, the queen has said in recent times that she would support Australia becoming a Republic if that is what the people choose.
Unfortunately the only model that was presented to us at referendum by the current government made it impossible to vote for a Republic.

And as to us being "conquered" in the past, well the English never had to "conquer" Australia. They used Australia as yet another means to "conquer" the poor classes in their own country, not to mention as a dumping ground for all the poor sods that they were busy starving out of Ireland.

When push comes to shove Australians have stood up to the English.
I mean lets face it, they can't even field a cricket team to beat us anymore!

melodious

onelongsong wrote:

have you ever seen this vast amount of territory? it's worthless. at least most of it is. worthless desert uninhabitable by humans.
but wait; let's look at all the territory england has conquered over the world. from india; to the falklands to austrailia. why don't we hear about this?
mexico is still an undeveloped country and the chances that they would have built hoover dam to bring water to some of this area are nil. the southwest would still only be area to pass through to get into the us.

well, i think U.S. is competing up in the ranks with colonization. It's really about one rule...

and many fruits of life to be found in the desert when one considers how nature provides..have you not seen suvivor man.....:)

for instance the agave cactus, you know the one that looks like a grayblue starfish? it has numerous uses..the pulp can be consumed for water source, the prickly points can be transformed into a needle, and the fibre can be weaved into fabric...amazing!!!

be well..

chadwick

melodious wrote:

well, i think U.S. is competing up in the ranks with colonization. It's really about one rule...

and many fruits of life to be found in the desert when one considers how nature provides..have you not seen suvivor man.....:)

for instance the agave cactus, you know the one that looks like a grayblue starfish? it has numerous uses..the pulp can be consumed for water source, the prickly points can be transformed into a needle, and the fibre can be weaved into fabric...amazing!!!

be well..

Also the Agave Cactus is used in the making of Mezcal.
You know, the alcohol alot of ppl get confused with Tequilla?
The worm in Mezcal is the worm out of an Agave Cactus.
Tequilla does not have the worm in it.
I have drank many a bottle of this.
As well as eating that Agave worm.
A mighty fine cactus.

onelongsong

chadwick wrote:

Also the Agave Cactus is used in the making of Mezcal.
You know, the alcohol alot of ppl get confused with Tequilla?
The worm in Mezcal is the worm out of an Agave Cactus.
Tequilla does not have the worm in it.
I have drank many a bottle of this.
As well as eating that Agave worm.
A mighty fine cactus.

the agave is not a cactus. it is a succulent. TRUE tequilla is made by cutting the agave so it looks almost like a pinapple (removing the fiber); it is then put in a pit and roasted. when cooled it is fermented and distilled. true tequila is not bitter. tequila is made from the blue agave and bitter tequila is made from the more abundant agaves. the only distillery making true tequilla for sale is in a small town near porta vallarta mexico. the others have commercialized using ovens to bake the agave which also adds to it's bitterness.