What is wrong with people...

sponger

Having lived in southern california for most of my life, I can say that I have put some considerable thought into this subject.

And to this day it just astonishes me when I see that there are actually people who still think illegal immigration is a problem concerning illegal immigrants.

It's like when the obese blame McDonald's for their health problems, or when heroin addicts blame their dealer for their addiction.

Beneath all of the latent racism and overt xenophobia that fuels the animosity for our guests from the south is the simple truth that no group of people is more responsible for this dilemma than the United States and its culture of greed and materialism.

California alone would lose billions of dollars each year if it were to lose its slave class to tighter borders. The politicians know this, and that is why the topic of secure borders is just that -a topic.

In fact, the only people here who want the illegals to leave are the citizens who don't know any better -who don't know what is really going on with the economy and the powerbrokers in state government.

And blaming the mexicans is exactly what those businesses and those politicians want people to do because it only buys them more time before anything serious has to be done.

slightofjeff

sponger wrote:

Having lived in southern california for most of my life, I can say that I have put some considerable thought into this subject.

And to this day it just astonishes me when I see that there are actually people who still think illegal immigration is a problem concerning illegal immigrants.

It's like when the obese blame McDonald's for their health problems, or when heroin addicts blame their dealer for their addiction.

Beneath all of the latent racism and overt xenophobia that fuels the animosity for our guests from the south is the simple truth that no group of people is more responsible for this dilemma than the United States and its culture of greed and materialism.

California alone would lose billions of dollars each year if it were to lose its slave class to tighter borders. The politicians know this, and that is why the topic of secure borders is just that -a topic.

In fact, the only people here who want the illegals to leave are the citizens who don't know any better -who don't know what is really going on with the economy and the powerbrokers in state government.

And blaming the mexicans is exactly what those businesses and those politicians want people to do because it only buys them more time before anything serious has to be done.

So what's your solution? Let anybody cross the border unchecked, no matter who you are, what you are or what your intentions are?

I'm not concerned about the guy with a family of six who wants to come pick oranges. I'm worried about people who are up to no good. And don't tell me every illegal alien who crosses the border is coming over to pick oranges.

sponger

slightofjeff wrote:

So what's your solution? Let anybody cross the border unchecked, no matter who you are, what you are or what your intentions are?

I'm not concerned about the guy with a family of six who wants to come pick oranges. I'm worried about people who are up to no good. And don't tell me every illegal alien who crosses the border is coming over to pick oranges.

If you are concerned about the safety of the public, then the guy with the family of six should be at the top of your list. The reason being is that the guy who supports a family of six by picking oranges at rock bottom wages is raising a family in squallor, and increasing the chances of the other 4 (the wife being the last of the 5) of getting swept up by gangs, drugs, and the like.

Poverty and wage gaps are big factors in the perpetual cycle of crime that we all are eager to prevent. And they are certainly bigger threats than terrorism at this point in time.

As long as there are jobs waiting for them here, then there will always be a wave of illegal immigration at the southern border that will be unmanageable.

The solution is to cut those jobs by cracking down on businesses and holding politicians accountable for not doing just that. But, as I said earlier, there is too much money to be lost by paying illegal immigrants the wages that they should be getting paid under federal law. The luxuries that US businesses have been afforded by utilizing a slave class at its disposal will disappear.

You don't hear any complaints about the northern border. That's because canadians aren't hiding in false gas tanks so they can pick grapes in the US. The goal is to create a similar situation on the southern border so that the ratio of illegal immigrants to border patrol agents isn't a gazillion to one.

godpt3

Three from Mexico charged with passing counterfeit bills
By The News staff

Three men who allegedly entered the U.S. illegally from Mexico have been charged with passing thousands of dollars in counterfeit $100 bills, according to U.S. Attorney Eric Melgren.

Police arrested Camilo Lopez-Correl, 39, Adrien Estrada-Rosales, 23, and Johnny Varay Moreno, 22, on Jan. 11 at the Wal-Mart in Newton.

"Based on the serial numbers, it appears that the defendants passed more than $9,000 in counterfeit currency in recent weeks in California, Texas, Idaho, New Mexico and Kansas," Melgren said.

Investigators reported that store surveillance showed two of the men - Estrada-Rosales and Lopez-Correl - passing the bills in Wal-Mart on Jan. 10 and 11. Videotape showed the men leaving the store in a green Saturn with a temporary registration tag in the window.

The two men returned to Wal-Mart a third time the night of Jan. 11 and were arrested attempting to pass two more counterfeit bills.

Officers found Moreno in a hotel room at Best Western Red Coach Inn in Newton, along with alleged counterfeit government identification documents, stolen commercial checks and a typewriter in the room.

If convicted, the three face up to 20 years in federal prison and a fine of up to $250,000.

The Newton Police Department and the U.S. Secret Service investigated the case.

meme

acoustic guy wrote:

Man you are so wrong on this matter.
If I am gonna go to another country on vacation, I take a few months to try to learn their language. Its a show of respect.
These people who who are defending came to this country to live not vaca, and yet they do not feel the need to learn english? Very disrespectful.
And to think that companies just give in to the lack of respect and post things in spanish to make it easy for them?
I know many spanish people who live here. One guy is legal and he says most of the woman choose not to learn b/c they do not care to. They say they are Mexican not american. WTF? You wanna come to America to reap the benefits but do not want to be an American?
Get the hell out!

Perhaps you should stick to learning your own language, yeah?

smg9779

godpt3 wrote:

Three from Mexico charged with passing counterfeit bills
By The News staff

Three men who allegedly entered the U.S. illegally from Mexico have been charged with passing thousands of dollars in counterfeit $100 bills, according to U.S. Attorney Eric Melgren.

Police arrested Camilo Lopez-Correl, 39, Adrien Estrada-Rosales, 23, and Johnny Varay Moreno, 22, on Jan. 11 at the Wal-Mart in Newton.

"Based on the serial numbers, it appears that the defendants passed more than $9,000 in counterfeit currency in recent weeks in California, Texas, Idaho, New Mexico and Kansas," Melgren said.

Investigators reported that store surveillance showed two of the men - Estrada-Rosales and Lopez-Correl - passing the bills in Wal-Mart on Jan. 10 and 11. Videotape showed the men leaving the store in a green Saturn with a temporary registration tag in the window.

The two men returned to Wal-Mart a third time the night of Jan. 11 and were arrested attempting to pass two more counterfeit bills.

Officers found Moreno in a hotel room at Best Western Red Coach Inn in Newton, along with alleged counterfeit government identification documents, stolen commercial checks and a typewriter in the room.

If convicted, the three face up to 20 years in federal prison and a fine of up to $250,000.

The Newton Police Department and the U.S. Secret Service investigated the case.

Sorry, you are not going to change my opinion with statistics that represent about 0.000001% of those in question.

kenny olav

in_hiding79 wrote:

If it's all shit jobs then I suggest THEY stay where they're at!!

better than no job, or shittier job with less pay.

acoustic guy

meme wrote:

Perhaps you should stick to learning your own language, yeah?

What is that supposed to mean?

searchlightsoul

smg9779 wrote:

Constructing a 700 mile fence to cover over 2000 miles of border: very bad. and stupid. and expensive. Lets exam all the instances in history where a big ass wall was constructed. Can anyone think of an example where the end result was good?

This is the American pyche. Building this wall is just the physical manifestation of the nation's paranoia.

godpt3

smg9779 wrote:

Sorry, you are not going to change my opinion with statistics that represent about 0.000001% of those in question.

A couple of years ago, my car was broken into... and I'm pretty sure it was illegal immigrants looking for documents. My glove box was opened and stuff thrown about, but nothing was taken... including the CDs sitting on my passenger seat (namely a Boston 2000 boot and an original copy of Nirvana's Hormoaning :( ) The CDs were ruined by broken glass and the rain storm later that evening.

sponger

godpt3 wrote:

Three from Mexico charged with passing counterfeit bills

The biggest problem with counterfeiting is inflation. If inflation is your concern, then your people of interest should be the federal reserve board, whose cutting of interest rates led to the inflation that might eventually put the economy into a recession, if not an all-out depression. Illegal immigrants are the last of your concerns if you are really interested in the big picture.