What is wrong with people...

acoustic guy

sponger wrote:

I generally agree with your views, but that statement right there is a stretch. You really expect me to believe that immigrants who refuse to learn english are just trying to avoid bringing attention to themselves? You've got to be kidding.





So, illegal immigrants are going to make this country into 7 consecutive days that start with Monday and end with Sunday?

Ha...........................ha
Weak. Thanks teach.

godpt3

LongRd. wrote:

These people are working in slaughter houses and plant farms, making shitty wages.

Trust me dude, packing plant wages aren't shitty. $15 per hour isn't unusual. All I can say is I just wish the bastards would learn english. I can't even say hi to my neighbor because he doesn't understand "hello."

I had an interesting experience renewing my drivers license recently. The guy in front of me didn't speak english. He had his wife with him, translating. I didn't hear the conversation, but eventually they walked away without a license.

And it makes me sick watching someone at the grocery store who, again, doesn't speak a drop of english, and watching them and their half dozen screaming rugrats go through their food stamps.

godpt3

smg9779 wrote:

Immigrants coming here illegally to work: not nearly as bad as people think. yes it would be very nice if they were documented.

Yeah, but they're also contributing to ID fraud in a huge way. That's how they're able to get jobs in the first place.

Kel Varnsen

godpt3 wrote:

All I can say is I just wish the bastards would learn english. I can't even say hi to my neighbor because he doesn't understand "hello."

Is it really that hard to say Hola, Bonjour, Guten Tag or what ever other language your neighboor speaks? Maybe if you made some effort he would too.

acoustic guy

Kel Varnsen wrote:

Is it really that hard to say Hola, Bonjour, Guten Tag or what ever other language your neighboor speaks? Maybe if you made some effort he would too.

Man you are so wrong on this matter.
If I am gonna go to another country on vacation, I take a few months to try to learn their language. Its a show of respect.
These people who who are defending came to this country to live not vaca, and yet they do not feel the need to learn english? Very disrespectful.
And to think that companies just give in to the lack of respect and post things in spanish to make it easy for them?
I know many spanish people who live here. One guy is legal and he says most of the woman choose not to learn b/c they do not care to. They say they are Mexican not american. WTF? You wanna come to America to reap the benefits but do not want to be an American?
Get the hell out!

Kel Varnsen

acoustic guy wrote:

Man you are so wrong on this matter.
If I am gonna go to another country on vacation, I take a few months to try to learn their language. Its a show of respect.
These people who who are defending came to this country to live not vaca, and yet they do not feel the need to learn english? Very disrespectful.
And to think that companies just give in to the lack of respect and post things in spanish to make it easy for them?
I know many spanish people who live here. One guy is legal and he says most of the woman choose not to learn b/c they do not care to. They say they are Mexican not american. WTF? You wanna come to America to reap the benefits but do not want to be an American?
Get the hell out!

Maybe, with respect to the guy who can't say hello to his neighbor, maybe his neighbor knows english, but is also smart enough to know that the guy thinks he is a bastard so he would rather not talk to him. If my neighbor thought I was a bastard, I probably would avoid talking to him no matter what language I spoke.

And anyway why is it wrong to try and help someone out? I mean if you throw a hola to this guy maybe he will be more inclined to try and practice his english with you, and get better act. If people act all divisive, it doesn't really help anyone.

Danimal

Kick em the fuck out!

Wanna stay here? Do it legally. LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DID back in the day. I have NO PROBLEM with people coming to this country. I actually love it! That's why this country is so great!

No citizenship? Kick em the fuck out.

acoustic guy

Danimal wrote:

Kick em the fuck out!

Wanna stay here? Do it legally. LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DID back in the day. I have NO PROBLEM with people coming to this country. I actually love it! That's why this country is so great!

No citizenship? Kick em the fuck out.

ouch! But its true.
All i ask is to do it legally and to learn the language.

Kel Varnsen

Danimal wrote:

Kick em the fuck out!

Wanna stay here? Do it legally. LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DID back in the day. I have NO PROBLEM with people coming to this country. I actually love it! That's why this country is so great!

No citizenship? Kick em the fuck out.

Are people from Mexico even allowed to enter the US legally for work? I mean I doubt it is like that part in Godfather 2 where Don Corleone just showed up at Ellis Island as a kid and they let him in.

Danimal

Kel Varnsen wrote:

Are people from Mexico even allowed to enter the US legally for work? I mean I doubt it is like that part in Godfather 2 where Don Corleone just showed up at Ellis Island as a kid and they let him in.

No citizenship....no work.

Kel Varnsen

Danimal wrote:

No citizenship....no work.

So you would eliminate the whole idea of work visas and only give jobs to citizens? Just off the top of my head that would mean no more guest researchers at US universities and no more non-US actors working in Hollywood.

Danimal

Kel Varnsen wrote:

So you would eliminate the whole idea of work visas and only give jobs to citizens? Just off the top of my head that would mean no more guest researchers at US universities and no more non-US actors working in Hollywood.

No work visas.....no work.

godpt3

Danimal wrote:

No work visas.....no work.

When someone like Oasis tours the U.S., I'm pretty sure they have to apply for work visas before entering the country.

Danimal

godpt3 wrote:

When someone like Oasis tours the U.S., I'm pretty sure they have to apply for work visas before entering the country.

Oasis shouldn't be allowed in this country. Their music sucks.

in_hiding79

Danimal wrote:

Oasis shouldn't be allowed in this country. Their music sucks.

so true....good point!!

smg9779

godpt3 wrote:

Trust me dude, packing plant wages aren't shitty. $15 per hour isn't unusual. All I can say is I just wish the bastards would learn english. I can't even say hi to my neighbor because he doesn't understand "hello."

I had an interesting experience renewing my drivers license recently. The guy in front of me didn't speak english. He had his wife with him, translating. I didn't hear the conversation, but eventually they walked away without a license.

And it makes me sick watching someone at the grocery store who, again, doesn't speak a drop of english, and watching them and their half dozen screaming rugrats go through their food stamps.

Expecting someone to learn english upon arrival is SO chauvinistic. Think about it this way: if you immigrated to another country and could function perfectly well without having to learn the new language, would it be high on your priority list? Probably not. Yes, it would be nice if they learned english but its not really fair to not like them for failing to learn the language.

I'm gonna take a guess and say all the people you are describing are of hispanic descent. However, you failed to mention their legal status. There are PLENTY of legal residents from all over the globe that do not speak a lick of english or have many screaming "rugrats" at the grocery counter. Sorry man, but it sounds like you are doing some MAJOR racial profiling. You do not know anything about these people, their situation or background. There is a certain image in your head that you have pegged as "not worthy." These kind of ideas are dangerous. Please stop, that kind of thinking is not getting this country anywhere.

acoustic guy

Kel Varnsen wrote:

So you would eliminate the whole idea of work visas and only give jobs to citizens? Just off the top of my head that would mean no more guest researchers at US universities and no more non-US actors working in Hollywood.

I think you are missing the point.

godpt3

smg9779 wrote:

I'm gonna take a guess and say all the people you are describing are of hispanic descent. However, you failed to mention their legal status. There are PLENTY of legal residents from all over the globe that do not speak a lick of english or have many screaming "rugrats" at the grocery counter. Sorry man, but it sounds like you are doing some MAJOR racial profiling. You do not know anything about these people, their situation or background. There is a certain image in your head that you have pegged as "not worthy." These kind of ideas are dangerous. Please stop, that kind of thinking is not getting this country anywhere.

Sorry. I'm only commenting on what I see on a daily basis. The county I live in is about 49% hispanic. We've got several large livestock operations and meat packing plants and are pretty much a hot zone for ICE activity.

Kel Varnsen

acoustic guy wrote:

I think you are missing the point.

Please explain why. The person I was responding to said that only citizens should be allowed to work, which caused me to point out that a lot of non-citizens are doing very important work in the US. After that he changed is statement to the more reasonable-only people with work visas should be allowed to work.

slightofjeff

Kel Varnsen wrote:

I am curious, would you have any problem making it easier for people to immigrate Legally. From my understanding as someone living outside of the US it is very difficult for people who want to come to the US to do it legally. So if someone wants to work why not let them in legally, then it is much easier to collect their taxes and it is much easier to keep tabs on them if they start doing stuff that is illegal.

I've got no problem with that, so long as everything is documented and there are some safeguards in place to make sure we're not letting in terrorists or thugs or convicted felons.