So you would eliminate the whole idea of work visas and only give jobs to citizens? Just off the top of my head that would mean no more guest researchers at US universities and no more non-US actors working in Hollywood.
So you would eliminate the whole idea of work visas and only give jobs to citizens? Just off the top of my head that would mean no more guest researchers at US universities and no more non-US actors working in Hollywood.
No work visas.....no work.
"I don't believe in PJ fans but I believe there is something, not too sure what." - Thoughts_Arrive
Trust me dude, packing plant wages aren't shitty. $15 per hour isn't unusual. All I can say is I just wish the bastards would learn english. I can't even say hi to my neighbor because he doesn't understand "hello."
I had an interesting experience renewing my drivers license recently. The guy in front of me didn't speak english. He had his wife with him, translating. I didn't hear the conversation, but eventually they walked away without a license.
And it makes me sick watching someone at the grocery store who, again, doesn't speak a drop of english, and watching them and their half dozen screaming rugrats go through their food stamps.
Expecting someone to learn english upon arrival is SO chauvinistic. Think about it this way: if you immigrated to another country and could function perfectly well without having to learn the new language, would it be high on your priority list? Probably not. Yes, it would be nice if they learned english but its not really fair to not like them for failing to learn the language.
I'm gonna take a guess and say all the people you are describing are of hispanic descent. However, you failed to mention their legal status. There are PLENTY of legal residents from all over the globe that do not speak a lick of english or have many screaming "rugrats" at the grocery counter. Sorry man, but it sounds like you are doing some MAJOR racial profiling. You do not know anything about these people, their situation or background. There is a certain image in your head that you have pegged as "not worthy." These kind of ideas are dangerous. Please stop, that kind of thinking is not getting this country anywhere.
Steve
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So you would eliminate the whole idea of work visas and only give jobs to citizens? Just off the top of my head that would mean no more guest researchers at US universities and no more non-US actors working in Hollywood.
I think you are missing the point.
Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
I'm gonna take a guess and say all the people you are describing are of hispanic descent. However, you failed to mention their legal status. There are PLENTY of legal residents from all over the globe that do not speak a lick of english or have many screaming "rugrats" at the grocery counter. Sorry man, but it sounds like you are doing some MAJOR racial profiling. You do not know anything about these people, their situation or background. There is a certain image in your head that you have pegged as "not worthy." These kind of ideas are dangerous. Please stop, that kind of thinking is not getting this country anywhere.
Sorry. I'm only commenting on what I see on a daily basis. The county I live in is about 49% hispanic. We've got several large livestock operations and meat packing plants and are pretty much a hot zone for ICE activity.
"If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
—Dorothy Parker
Please explain why. The person I was responding to said that only citizens should be allowed to work, which caused me to point out that a lot of non-citizens are doing very important work in the US. After that he changed is statement to the more reasonable-only people with work visas should be allowed to work.
I am curious, would you have any problem making it easier for people to immigrate Legally. From my understanding as someone living outside of the US it is very difficult for people who want to come to the US to do it legally. So if someone wants to work why not let them in legally, then it is much easier to collect their taxes and it is much easier to keep tabs on them if they start doing stuff that is illegal.
I've got no problem with that, so long as everything is documented and there are some safeguards in place to make sure we're not letting in terrorists or thugs or convicted felons.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Having lived in southern california for most of my life, I can say that I have put some considerable thought into this subject.
And to this day it just astonishes me when I see that there are actually people who still think illegal immigration is a problem concerning illegal immigrants.
It's like when the obese blame McDonald's for their health problems, or when heroin addicts blame their dealer for their addiction.
Beneath all of the latent racism and overt xenophobia that fuels the animosity for our guests from the south is the simple truth that no group of people is more responsible for this dilemma than the United States and its culture of greed and materialism.
California alone would lose billions of dollars each year if it were to lose its slave class to tighter borders. The politicians know this, and that is why the topic of secure borders is just that -a topic.
In fact, the only people here who want the illegals to leave are the citizens who don't know any better -who don't know what is really going on with the economy and the powerbrokers in state government.
And blaming the mexicans is exactly what those businesses and those politicians want people to do because it only buys them more time before anything serious has to be done.
Having lived in southern california for most of my life, I can say that I have put some considerable thought into this subject.
And to this day it just astonishes me when I see that there are actually people who still think illegal immigration is a problem concerning illegal immigrants.
It's like when the obese blame McDonald's for their health problems, or when heroin addicts blame their dealer for their addiction.
Beneath all of the latent racism and overt xenophobia that fuels the animosity for our guests from the south is the simple truth that no group of people is more responsible for this dilemma than the United States and its culture of greed and materialism.
California alone would lose billions of dollars each year if it were to lose its slave class to tighter borders. The politicians know this, and that is why the topic of secure borders is just that -a topic.
In fact, the only people here who want the illegals to leave are the citizens who don't know any better -who don't know what is really going on with the economy and the powerbrokers in state government.
And blaming the mexicans is exactly what those businesses and those politicians want people to do because it only buys them more time before anything serious has to be done.
So what's your solution? Let anybody cross the border unchecked, no matter who you are, what you are or what your intentions are?
I'm not concerned about the guy with a family of six who wants to come pick oranges. I'm worried about people who are up to no good. And don't tell me every illegal alien who crosses the border is coming over to pick oranges.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
So what's your solution? Let anybody cross the border unchecked, no matter who you are, what you are or what your intentions are?
I'm not concerned about the guy with a family of six who wants to come pick oranges. I'm worried about people who are up to no good. And don't tell me every illegal alien who crosses the border is coming over to pick oranges.
If you are concerned about the safety of the public, then the guy with the family of six should be at the top of your list. The reason being is that the guy who supports a family of six by picking oranges at rock bottom wages is raising a family in squallor, and increasing the chances of the other 4 (the wife being the last of the 5) of getting swept up by gangs, drugs, and the like.
Poverty and wage gaps are big factors in the perpetual cycle of crime that we all are eager to prevent. And they are certainly bigger threats than terrorism at this point in time.
As long as there are jobs waiting for them here, then there will always be a wave of illegal immigration at the southern border that will be unmanageable.
The solution is to cut those jobs by cracking down on businesses and holding politicians accountable for not doing just that. But, as I said earlier, there is too much money to be lost by paying illegal immigrants the wages that they should be getting paid under federal law. The luxuries that US businesses have been afforded by utilizing a slave class at its disposal will disappear.
You don't hear any complaints about the northern border. That's because canadians aren't hiding in false gas tanks so they can pick grapes in the US. The goal is to create a similar situation on the southern border so that the ratio of illegal immigrants to border patrol agents isn't a gazillion to one.
Three from Mexico charged with passing counterfeit bills
By The News staff
Three men who allegedly entered the U.S. illegally from Mexico have been charged with passing thousands of dollars in counterfeit $100 bills, according to U.S. Attorney Eric Melgren.
Police arrested Camilo Lopez-Correl, 39, Adrien Estrada-Rosales, 23, and Johnny Varay Moreno, 22, on Jan. 11 at the Wal-Mart in Newton.
"Based on the serial numbers, it appears that the defendants passed more than $9,000 in counterfeit currency in recent weeks in California, Texas, Idaho, New Mexico and Kansas," Melgren said.
Investigators reported that store surveillance showed two of the men - Estrada-Rosales and Lopez-Correl - passing the bills in Wal-Mart on Jan. 10 and 11. Videotape showed the men leaving the store in a green Saturn with a temporary registration tag in the window.
The two men returned to Wal-Mart a third time the night of Jan. 11 and were arrested attempting to pass two more counterfeit bills.
Officers found Moreno in a hotel room at Best Western Red Coach Inn in Newton, along with alleged counterfeit government identification documents, stolen commercial checks and a typewriter in the room.
If convicted, the three face up to 20 years in federal prison and a fine of up to $250,000.
The Newton Police Department and the U.S. Secret Service investigated the case.
"If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
—Dorothy Parker
Man you are so wrong on this matter.
If I am gonna go to another country on vacation, I take a few months to try to learn their language. Its a show of respect.
These people who who are defending came to this country to live not vaca, and yet they do not feel the need to learn english? Very disrespectful.
And to think that companies just give in to the lack of respect and post things in spanish to make it easy for them?
I know many spanish people who live here. One guy is legal and he says most of the woman choose not to learn b/c they do not care to. They say they are Mexican not american. WTF? You wanna come to America to reap the benefits but do not want to be an American?
Get the hell out!
Perhaps you should stick to learning your own language, yeah?
... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
Three from Mexico charged with passing counterfeit bills
By The News staff
Three men who allegedly entered the U.S. illegally from Mexico have been charged with passing thousands of dollars in counterfeit $100 bills, according to U.S. Attorney Eric Melgren.
Police arrested Camilo Lopez-Correl, 39, Adrien Estrada-Rosales, 23, and Johnny Varay Moreno, 22, on Jan. 11 at the Wal-Mart in Newton.
"Based on the serial numbers, it appears that the defendants passed more than $9,000 in counterfeit currency in recent weeks in California, Texas, Idaho, New Mexico and Kansas," Melgren said.
Investigators reported that store surveillance showed two of the men - Estrada-Rosales and Lopez-Correl - passing the bills in Wal-Mart on Jan. 10 and 11. Videotape showed the men leaving the store in a green Saturn with a temporary registration tag in the window.
The two men returned to Wal-Mart a third time the night of Jan. 11 and were arrested attempting to pass two more counterfeit bills.
Officers found Moreno in a hotel room at Best Western Red Coach Inn in Newton, along with alleged counterfeit government identification documents, stolen commercial checks and a typewriter in the room.
If convicted, the three face up to 20 years in federal prison and a fine of up to $250,000.
The Newton Police Department and the U.S. Secret Service investigated the case.
Sorry, you are not going to change my opinion with statistics that represent about 0.000001% of those in question.
Steve
11/18/97 Oakland
07/13/98 Los Angeles
07/14/98 Los Angeles
10/31/99 Bridge School
10/28/00 San Bernardino
10/31/00 Mountain View
10/21/01 Bridge School
06/01/03 Mountain View
07/15/06 SF I
07/16/06 SF II
07/18/06 SF III
10/21/06 Bridge School
04/07/08 Berkeley
04/08/08 Berkeley
Constructing a 700 mile fence to cover over 2000 miles of border: very bad. and stupid. and expensive. Lets exam all the instances in history where a big ass wall was constructed. Can anyone think of an example where the end result was good?
This is the American pyche. Building this wall is just the physical manifestation of the nation's paranoia.
Sorry, you are not going to change my opinion with statistics that represent about 0.000001% of those in question.
A couple of years ago, my car was broken into... and I'm pretty sure it was illegal immigrants looking for documents. My glove box was opened and stuff thrown about, but nothing was taken... including the CDs sitting on my passenger seat (namely a Boston 2000 boot and an original copy of Nirvana's Hormoaning :( ) The CDs were ruined by broken glass and the rain storm later that evening.
"If all those sweet, young things were laid end to end, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised."
—Dorothy Parker
Three from Mexico charged with passing counterfeit bills
The biggest problem with counterfeiting is inflation. If inflation is your concern, then your people of interest should be the federal reserve board, whose cutting of interest rates led to the inflation that might eventually put the economy into a recession, if not an all-out depression. Illegal immigrants are the last of your concerns if you are really interested in the big picture.
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So you would eliminate the whole idea of work visas and only give jobs to citizens? Just off the top of my head that would mean no more guest researchers at US universities and no more non-US actors working in Hollywood.
No work visas.....no work.
When someone like Oasis tours the U.S., I'm pretty sure they have to apply for work visas before entering the country.
—Dorothy Parker
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Oasis shouldn't be allowed in this country. Their music sucks.
so true....good point!!
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
Expecting someone to learn english upon arrival is SO chauvinistic. Think about it this way: if you immigrated to another country and could function perfectly well without having to learn the new language, would it be high on your priority list? Probably not. Yes, it would be nice if they learned english but its not really fair to not like them for failing to learn the language.
I'm gonna take a guess and say all the people you are describing are of hispanic descent. However, you failed to mention their legal status. There are PLENTY of legal residents from all over the globe that do not speak a lick of english or have many screaming "rugrats" at the grocery counter. Sorry man, but it sounds like you are doing some MAJOR racial profiling. You do not know anything about these people, their situation or background. There is a certain image in your head that you have pegged as "not worthy." These kind of ideas are dangerous. Please stop, that kind of thinking is not getting this country anywhere.
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07/13/98 Los Angeles
07/14/98 Los Angeles
10/31/99 Bridge School
10/28/00 San Bernardino
10/31/00 Mountain View
10/21/01 Bridge School
06/01/03 Mountain View
07/15/06 SF I
07/16/06 SF II
07/18/06 SF III
10/21/06 Bridge School
04/07/08 Berkeley
04/08/08 Berkeley
I think you are missing the point.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
Sorry. I'm only commenting on what I see on a daily basis. The county I live in is about 49% hispanic. We've got several large livestock operations and meat packing plants and are pretty much a hot zone for ICE activity.
—Dorothy Parker
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6902/conspiracytheoriesxt6qt8.jpg
Please explain why. The person I was responding to said that only citizens should be allowed to work, which caused me to point out that a lot of non-citizens are doing very important work in the US. After that he changed is statement to the more reasonable-only people with work visas should be allowed to work.
I've got no problem with that, so long as everything is documented and there are some safeguards in place to make sure we're not letting in terrorists or thugs or convicted felons.
for the least they could possibly do
And to this day it just astonishes me when I see that there are actually people who still think illegal immigration is a problem concerning illegal immigrants.
It's like when the obese blame McDonald's for their health problems, or when heroin addicts blame their dealer for their addiction.
Beneath all of the latent racism and overt xenophobia that fuels the animosity for our guests from the south is the simple truth that no group of people is more responsible for this dilemma than the United States and its culture of greed and materialism.
California alone would lose billions of dollars each year if it were to lose its slave class to tighter borders. The politicians know this, and that is why the topic of secure borders is just that -a topic.
In fact, the only people here who want the illegals to leave are the citizens who don't know any better -who don't know what is really going on with the economy and the powerbrokers in state government.
And blaming the mexicans is exactly what those businesses and those politicians want people to do because it only buys them more time before anything serious has to be done.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
So what's your solution? Let anybody cross the border unchecked, no matter who you are, what you are or what your intentions are?
I'm not concerned about the guy with a family of six who wants to come pick oranges. I'm worried about people who are up to no good. And don't tell me every illegal alien who crosses the border is coming over to pick oranges.
for the least they could possibly do
If you are concerned about the safety of the public, then the guy with the family of six should be at the top of your list. The reason being is that the guy who supports a family of six by picking oranges at rock bottom wages is raising a family in squallor, and increasing the chances of the other 4 (the wife being the last of the 5) of getting swept up by gangs, drugs, and the like.
Poverty and wage gaps are big factors in the perpetual cycle of crime that we all are eager to prevent. And they are certainly bigger threats than terrorism at this point in time.
As long as there are jobs waiting for them here, then there will always be a wave of illegal immigration at the southern border that will be unmanageable.
The solution is to cut those jobs by cracking down on businesses and holding politicians accountable for not doing just that. But, as I said earlier, there is too much money to be lost by paying illegal immigrants the wages that they should be getting paid under federal law. The luxuries that US businesses have been afforded by utilizing a slave class at its disposal will disappear.
You don't hear any complaints about the northern border. That's because canadians aren't hiding in false gas tanks so they can pick grapes in the US. The goal is to create a similar situation on the southern border so that the ratio of illegal immigrants to border patrol agents isn't a gazillion to one.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
By The News staff
Three men who allegedly entered the U.S. illegally from Mexico have been charged with passing thousands of dollars in counterfeit $100 bills, according to U.S. Attorney Eric Melgren.
Police arrested Camilo Lopez-Correl, 39, Adrien Estrada-Rosales, 23, and Johnny Varay Moreno, 22, on Jan. 11 at the Wal-Mart in Newton.
"Based on the serial numbers, it appears that the defendants passed more than $9,000 in counterfeit currency in recent weeks in California, Texas, Idaho, New Mexico and Kansas," Melgren said.
Investigators reported that store surveillance showed two of the men - Estrada-Rosales and Lopez-Correl - passing the bills in Wal-Mart on Jan. 10 and 11. Videotape showed the men leaving the store in a green Saturn with a temporary registration tag in the window.
The two men returned to Wal-Mart a third time the night of Jan. 11 and were arrested attempting to pass two more counterfeit bills.
Officers found Moreno in a hotel room at Best Western Red Coach Inn in Newton, along with alleged counterfeit government identification documents, stolen commercial checks and a typewriter in the room.
If convicted, the three face up to 20 years in federal prison and a fine of up to $250,000.
The Newton Police Department and the U.S. Secret Service investigated the case.
—Dorothy Parker
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6902/conspiracytheoriesxt6qt8.jpg
Perhaps you should stick to learning your own language, yeah?
Sorry, you are not going to change my opinion with statistics that represent about 0.000001% of those in question.
11/18/97 Oakland
07/13/98 Los Angeles
07/14/98 Los Angeles
10/31/99 Bridge School
10/28/00 San Bernardino
10/31/00 Mountain View
10/21/01 Bridge School
06/01/03 Mountain View
07/15/06 SF I
07/16/06 SF II
07/18/06 SF III
10/21/06 Bridge School
04/07/08 Berkeley
04/08/08 Berkeley
better than no job, or shittier job with less pay.
What is that supposed to mean?
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
This is the American pyche. Building this wall is just the physical manifestation of the nation's paranoia.
A couple of years ago, my car was broken into... and I'm pretty sure it was illegal immigrants looking for documents. My glove box was opened and stuff thrown about, but nothing was taken... including the CDs sitting on my passenger seat (namely a Boston 2000 boot and an original copy of Nirvana's Hormoaning :( ) The CDs were ruined by broken glass and the rain storm later that evening.
—Dorothy Parker
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6902/conspiracytheoriesxt6qt8.jpg
The biggest problem with counterfeiting is inflation. If inflation is your concern, then your people of interest should be the federal reserve board, whose cutting of interest rates led to the inflation that might eventually put the economy into a recession, if not an all-out depression. Illegal immigrants are the last of your concerns if you are really interested in the big picture.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825