If the NY Times were to report D-Day today:

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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    VictoryGin wrote:
    oh totally. and thank god mike isn't being like rudy who grabs onto anything, like this, to show how bad terrorism is in the world today and why we need to elect him.

    i added the full quote above :)

    Fucking Rudy. The guy had current Bush-like approval ratings on 9/10/01 and just because he holds a couple of fucking press conferences after the attack he is called a hero. What a douche bag.
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    NCfan wrote:
    Hey RainDog, I'm sorry but Drew in no way shape or form related this article to Iraq. It is solely about the leftist, liberal views of the paper and how they come across through it's reporting...

    Here's another case in point, the four guys they arrested for trying to blow up JFK airport was reported on page 34 of the the NYT this week. If that doesn't say something about the paper, I don't know what does.


    You mean planning to blow up a fuel line that wasn't likely to do any damage to the actual airport?

    And there was actually a blurb on the cover about the story on June 3rd.
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  • NCfan
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    RainDog wrote:
    Why, you're right. It is an article written in the vacuum of space centuries ago and transported here by a superior race of aliens. The only reason we're just now reading it is because it took so long to get here. Context, after all, is meaningless.

    Though I haven't read it, to me it says that the paper isn't prone to engaging in terrorist related fear mongering. The JFK airport plot was so hopelessly ridiculous that I'm surprised it made the news at all. You cannot - I repeat, cannot blow-up jet fuel in the way the plotters intended. It's as realistic as the mad dreams of a man who thinks he can soar through the clouds by taping a butterfly to his forehead.

    That's an awesome stretch there. Just reporting the news is
    "fear-mongering". The intent of these guys is what is important, not if they were professionals or not.

    Last year a guy drove an SUV through a crowded section of students at the University of North Carolina. His reasoning was that his actions were retribution for the treatment of Muslims around the world. I guess since he didn't kill or seriously hurt anybody - that isn't newsworthy either by yoru standards....
  • RainDog
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    NCfan wrote:
    That's an awesome stretch there. Just reporting the news is
    "fear-mongering". The intent of these guys is what is important, not if they were professionals or not.
    Well, they did report it, didn't they? I was being a bit hyperbolic when I said I was "surprised they reported it at all." Actually, I think page 34 is about the right spot for it.
    NCfan wrote:
    Last year a guy drove an SUV through a crowded section of students at the University of North Carolina. His reasoning was that his actions were retribution for the treatment of Muslims around the world. I guess since he didn't kill or seriously hurt anybody - that isn't newsworthy either by yoru standards....
    No, it's news. What it isn't is an excuse for politicians to get on soap-boxes screaming about how unsafe we are - and all the "necessary" steps we'll need to take in order to "protect" us plebeians from them swarthy hordes. If a man has to constantly remind me how much I need him, then chances are I don't.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,887
    blackredyellow wrote:
    You mean planning to blow up a fuel line that wasn't likely to do any damage to the actual airport?

    And there was actually a blurb on the cover about the story on June 3rd.

    So planning to blow something up and trying to are really all that different? Only difference is a matter of time. I'm glad you aren't in charge we'd procrastinate ourselves right into the grave.
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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    cincybearcat wrote:
    So planning to blow something up and trying to are really all that different? Only difference is a matter of time. I'm glad you aren't in charge we'd procrastinate ourselves right into the grave.
    I think the point is, they could have tried all they wanted. Nothing would have blown up. The difference wasn't time - it was feasibility.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    cincybearcat wrote:
    So planning to blow something up and trying to are really all that different? Only difference is a matter of time. I'm glad you aren't in charge we'd procrastinate ourselves right into the grave.

    Not really but when the media headlines read that a terrorist attacks that could have killed thousands was thwarted when in fact the attack would have failed because of the fail safe measures in place. That is just the media sensationalizing the situation to sell papers. So the NY Times was right by paying little attention to this story.

    They did the same with the Ft. Dix story as well. I have been to Ft. Dix and you can't just drive in to the place. My ex brother-in-law did his reserve duty there and since 9/11 no one is allowed on base.
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  • NCfan
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    mammasan wrote:
    Not really but when the media headlines read that a terrorist attacks that could have killed thousands was thwarted when in fact the attack would have failed because of the fail safe measures in place. That is just the media sensationalizing the situation to sell papers. So the NY Times was right by paying little attention to this story.

    They did the same with the Ft. Dix story as well. I have been to Ft. Dix and you can't just drive in to the place. My ex brother-in-law did his reserve duty there and since 9/11 no one is allowed on base.

    The news item is that 4 men were caught tyring to attempt mass murder through a terrorist stike against the US. That is front page news anyday of the week! That is all that matters. It is a mute point if it was the fucking three stooges that were plotting this attack, okay - the news is that 4 human beings were trying to kill thousands of other human beings becuase of religous-motivated hatred.

    What if these guys had figured out their plan was faulty and instead tried for an easier target? What if they decided, fuck this gas shit... let's just go pull a London subway attack????

    The POINT is that these are murderous-planning bastards and they were caught. That is big-time news, okay? I'm not sure how you can disagree with that....

    Let's say your kids went to a school were a few of their classmates were caught trying to pull a Columbine or something... only their plan wouldn't have worked for some reason or another... Wouldn't you say that is some HUGE news that these kids were caught before they attempted anything??? Think about that, especially if they were your children's classmates.
  • NCfan
    NCfan Posts: 945
    RainDog wrote:
    Well, they did report it, didn't they? I was being a bit hyperbolic when I said I was "surprised they reported it at all." Actually, I think page 34 is about the right spot for it.


    No, it's news. What it isn't is an excuse for politicians to get on soap-boxes screaming about how unsafe we are - and all the "necessary" steps we'll need to take in order to "protect" us plebeians from them swarthy hordes. If a man has to constantly remind me how much I need him, then chances are I don't.

    You are confusing your issues, or at least you are trying to bring too many things into the equation. Dude, I'm not talking about the issue of politicians who use fear-mongering as a tactic. I know and AGREE with you about that.

    In this case, I'm talking about journalism and the poor taste that was shown by the NYT. That's all.
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    NCfan wrote:
    The news item is that 4 men were caught tyring to attempt mass murder through a terrorist stike against the US. That is front page news anyday of the week! That is all that matters. It is a mute point if it was the fucking three stooges that were plotting this attack, okay - the news is that 4 human beings were trying to kill thousands of other human beings becuase of religous-motivated hatred.

    What if these guys had figured out their plan was faulty and instead tried for an easier target? What if they decided, fuck this gas shit... let's just go pull a London subway attack????

    The POINT is that these are murderous-planning bastards and they were caught. That is big-time news, okay? I'm not sure how you can disagree with that....


    if, if and more ifs...

    If three idiots down my block get pictures of a federal building from google earth and try to raise money to buy explosives to bomb it, yes it's a story, but not front-page, interrupt our scheduled programming news.

    Now if their house is raided and they have blocks of C4 and blueprints, then that's another story, but if you make a big deal about every nutjob who wants to blow up something, their will be no more ink left to print. Same with Fort Dix - their plan was to disguise themselves as pizza deliverymen and start shooting a bunch of trained soldiers. Somehow this is now a plan for a terrorist attack instead of just a group of nutjobs with too much time on their hands who have seen too many B movies.
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  • RainDog
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    NCfan wrote:
    You are confusing your issues, or at least you are trying to bring too many things into the equation. Dude, I'm not talking about the issue of politicians who use fear-mongering as a tactic. I know and AGREE with you about that.

    In this case, I'm talking about journalism and the poor taste that was shown by the NYT. That's all.
    I addressed that too when I said that, in my opinion, page 34 was about the right place for it. Poor journalism is plastering every half-baked whack-jobs plans all over the front page everytime someone says "boo." Hell, there aren't enough front pages in the country to handle all that noise.
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    cincybearcat wrote:
    So planning to blow something up and trying to are really all that different? Only difference is a matter of time. I'm glad you aren't in charge we'd procrastinate ourselves right into the grave.

    i didn't say that it wasn't a good thing that they were caught or that the plan was broken up... I am happy that the were arrested. However, it's not the huge "unthinkable" news that US attorney's and justice dept said...

    "...the attack the boasted would be so devastating to the airport that 'even the Twin Towers can't touch it.' Like the Fort Dix case several weeks ago, this plot highlights the evolving nature of the terrorist threat we face, and our investigation into both plots highlights how our agents and prosecutors are refining their capability to detect and pre-empt such plots before they advance to a dangerous stage."

    "The defendants are charged with conspiring to bomb one of the busiest airports in the United States, located in one of the most densely populated areas in the northeast – had the plot been carried out, it could have resulted in unfathomable damage, deaths, and destruction," stated U.S. Attorney Mauskopf.

    If that isn't fear-mongering I don't know what is. All of the news media that ran with it should be ashamed.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    NCfan wrote:
    The news item is that 4 men were caught tyring to attempt mass murder through a terrorist stike against the US. That is front page news anyday of the week! That is all that matters. It is a mute point if it was the fucking three stooges that were plotting this attack, okay - the news is that 4 human beings were trying to kill thousands of other human beings becuase of religous-motivated hatred.

    What if these guys had figured out their plan was faulty and instead tried for an easier target? What if they decided, fuck this gas shit... let's just go pull a London subway attack????

    The POINT is that these are murderous-planning bastards and they were caught. That is big-time news, okay? I'm not sure how you can disagree with that....

    Let's say your kids went to a school were a few of their classmates were caught trying to pull a Columbine or something... only their plan wouldn't have worked for some reason or another... Wouldn't you say that is some HUGE news that these kids were caught before they attempted anything??? Think about that, especially if they were your children's classmates.

    I'm not debating the fact that it was news. I am simply stating that the media over sensationalizes everything. The new here in NYC stated that the attack could have killed thousands of people when in reality that is a lie. There was no potential for that attack to even work never mind kill thousands of people. Another instance is about a year ago there where terrorists planning to blow up the Holland Tunnel. the media stated that if they had succeeded thousands would have died and lower Manhattan would have been flooded. Yet again the experts come on a state that that there would have been casualties but not thousands of them and lower Manhattan was in no danger of flooding had the attack been successful.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,887
    blackredyellow wrote:
    i didn't say that it wasn't a good thing that they were caught or that the plan was broken up... I am happy that the were arrested. However, it's not the huge "unthinkable" news that US attorney's and justice dept said...

    "...the attack the boasted would be so devastating to the airport that 'even the Twin Towers can't touch it.' Like the Fort Dix case several weeks ago, this plot highlights the evolving nature of the terrorist threat we face, and our investigation into both plots highlights how our agents and prosecutors are refining their capability to detect and pre-empt such plots before they advance to a dangerous stage."

    "The defendants are charged with conspiring to bomb one of the busiest airports in the United States, located in one of the most densely populated areas in the northeast – had the plot been carried out, it could have resulted in unfathomable damage, deaths, and destruction," stated U.S. Attorney Mauskopf.

    If that isn't fear-mongering I don't know what is. All of the news media that ran with it should be ashamed.

    Obviously, the news should be truthful...but it is important to share these stories because they do happen and it is only fair to report on the successes as well as the failures. You need the total package.

    When you are verbally attacked you tend to emphasis your good points...no?
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  • VictoryGin
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    NCfan wrote:
    The news item is that 4 men were caught tyring to attempt mass murder through a terrorist stike against the US. That is front page news anyday of the week! That is all that matters. It is a mute point if it was the fucking three stooges that were plotting this attack, okay - the news is that 4 human beings were trying to kill thousands of other human beings becuase of religous-motivated hatred.

    What if these guys had figured out their plan was faulty and instead tried for an easier target? What if they decided, fuck this gas shit... let's just go pull a London subway attack????

    The POINT is that these are murderous-planning bastards and they were caught. That is big-time news, okay? I'm not sure how you can disagree with that....

    Let's say your kids went to a school were a few of their classmates were caught trying to pull a Columbine or something... only their plan wouldn't have worked for some reason or another... Wouldn't you say that is some HUGE news that these kids were caught before they attempted anything??? Think about that, especially if they were your children's classmates.

    i think you would appreciate the new york post, the arbiter of journalistic integrity.
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  • Cosmo
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    Drew263 wrote:
    June 6, 1944. -NORMANDY- Three hundred French civilians were killed and thousands more wounded today in the first hours of America's invasion of continental Europe. Casualties were heaviest among women and children.

    Most of the French casualties were the result of artillery fire from American ships attempting to knock out German fortifications prior to the landing of hundreds of thousands of U.S. troops. Reports from a makeshift hospital in the French town of St. Mere Eglise said the carnage was far worse than the French had anticipated and reaction against the American invasion was running high. "We are dying for no reason," said a Frenchman speaking on condition of anonymity. "Americans can't even shoot straight. I never thought I'd say this, but life was better under Adolph Hitler."

    The invasion also caused severe environmental damage. American troops, tanks, trucks and machinery destroyed miles of pristine shoreline and thousands of acres of ecologically sensitive wetlands. It was believed that the habitat of the spineless French crab was completely wiped out, threatening the species with extinction. A representative of Greenpeace said his organization, which had tried to stall the invasion for over a year, was appalled at the destruction, but not surprised. "This is just another example of how the military destroys the environment without a second thought, " said Christine Moanmore. "And it's all about corporate greed." Contacted at his Manhattan condo, a member of the French government-in-exile who abandoned Paris when Hitler invaded said the invasion was based solely on American financial interests. "Everyone knows the President Roosevelt has ties to big beer," said Pierre LeWimp.

    "Once the German beer industry is conquered, Roosevelt's beer cronies will control the world market and make a fortune."

    Administration supporters said America's aggressive actions were based in part on the assertions of controversial scientist Albert Einstein, who sent a letter to Roosevelt speculating that the Germans were developing a secret weapon, a so-called "atomic bomb." Such a weapon could produce casualties on a scale never seen before and cause environmental damage that could last for thousands of years. Hitler has denied having such a weapon and international inspectors were unable to locate such weapons even after spending two long weekends in Germany.

    Shortly after the invasion began reports surfaced that German prisoners had been abused by Americans. Mistreatment of Jews by Germans at so-called "concentration camps" has been rumored but so far, remains unproven.

    Several thousand Americans died during the first hours of the invasion and French officials are concerned that uncollected corpses pose a public health risk. "The Americans should have planned for this in advance," they said. "It's their mess and we don't intend to clean it up."
    ...
    Sorry... but, there is one glaring fact that is missing from this whole thing... D-Day occurred in 1944... today, it's 2007. Things have changed.
    I know it's meant to be a joke... but, it is basically propaganda to enforce the fear of the Liberal Jew (Oy Vey!!!) bias in the media that the militia types are always warning us against.
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  • Vedderlution_Baby
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    cincybearcat wrote:
    So planning to blow something up and trying to are really all that different? Only difference is a matter of time. I'm glad you aren't in charge we'd procrastinate ourselves right into the grave.



    where the hell have you been? We got a deaf, blind, dumb, procrastinating motherfucker in office, which is why we happen to be in this mess. The Arizona FBI memo explains that well enough.
  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    Drew263 wrote:
    Contacted at his Manhattan condo, a member of the French government-in-exile who abandoned Paris when Hitler invaded said the invasion was based solely on American financial interests. "Everyone knows the President Roosevelt has ties to big beer," said Pierre LeWimp."

    Did someone say beer?

    :)
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,887
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    where the hell have you been? We got a deaf, blind, dumb, procrastinating motherfucker in office, which is why we happen to be in this mess. The Arizona FBI memo explains that well enough.


    What is your point exactly?
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  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    cincybearcat wrote:
    What is your point exactly?


    That this whole thing could've been prevented but a procrastinator (i use that term loosely. Mentally retarded would probably suit him better) decided to go on vacation decided to leave it for another day.

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