On your death bed...

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  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    saveuplife wrote:
    You just want to argue. I'll get a grip when you get a job.


    You're completely out of your fucking mind.

    Now you assume that you know what I do for a living or whether or not I'm employed? hahahahahaha!!!!

    Why do I suspect you were hoping to direct this thread into the realm of " God ....Jesus......Christianity ":rolleyes:

    Obviously no one else's response is correct, unless they speculate that they will be thinking of exactly the same things as you. Yeah, you're a fucking genius.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,882
    dunkman wrote:
    yes there is. i could get to 16 years of age. never work ever in a job, ever. then at age 45 i have to go to hospital for a blood transfusion... completely free. I wont have to pay a single penny. me personally i mean... i know others will have.

    I know what you mean though... its how its described here in the UK... the NHS is free.


    Free to the receipiant....not free. Someone's paying for your use of the health care system.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    I don't know, it depends on a lot of things I guess. The politics of the moment, my state, whether I have a family or not...




    know1 wrote:
    But....everyone's going to die. Why not try to deal with that reality in advance?

    Death is free. We're talking about medical bills, which means were talking about medical problems.

    Can you afford a cancer treatment right now, without help from your health insurance?

    You can get sick, pay all your medical bills and be perfectly responsible, but you can get critically ill again the next year. You can't give a certain amount needed to pay for medical bills because the costs can range between five dollars and ... basically any amount.

    How can you call people irresponsible if they can't pay their medical bills. Who knows what they paid for before they were on their death bed.
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  • Gonzo1977
    Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    So the best thing an individual can do for their family is to live debt free, buy life insurance and don't spend the last 3 weeks of thier life in a hospital.


    Hey it's a great thought in principle. In a perfect world right?

    But the truth is...sometimes people don't have control over this stuff.

    Debt isn't entirely the product of irresponabilty. It can also be the product of circumstance. Sometimes circumstances change. I've seen it happen. People with great jobs, great homes, great salary, security...Lose it all...Get sick...and die in debt.

    It happens more than you may realize.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    I don't think that you are understanding that the health insurance industry is a product of the Health Care System in this country.

    I don't think that you realize that the health insurance industry would not be able to operate the way they do if the health care system was reformed and prevented this blatant profit making off of sick people in desperate need of health care.

    And as another poster commented, look at what has happend to our 401K's over the last month in a half. What happens when being responsible just isn't enough? That is becoming a dangerous reality.

    The health insurance industry makes a profit ON TOP of the profit made by the healthcare industry. Furthermore, it keeps prices inflated due to no competition and also because high prices help guarantee its survival.

    Not sure why more people don't see that.
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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Free to the recipient

    thank you. thats all i need to hear. :)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,882
    dunkman wrote:
    thank you. thats all i need to hear. :)


    Until they get a job and start paying for other people....;)
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  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    It's not always about healthcare either.

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    He was a wise man by foreshadowing to us from his deathbed how to prepare for less government assistance. His words were practically prophetic for all he had warned us of came to truth. Almost all our friends from those days have had to sell or leave their farms to the rich.
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  • Gonzo1977
    Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    know1 wrote:
    The health insurance industry makes a profit ON TOP of the profit made by the healthcare industry. Furthermore, it keeps prices inflated due to no competition and also because high prices help guarantee its survival.Not sure why more people don't see that.


    So you agree with this?
    Someone getting very rich off of your Cancer?
    You don't find something inherently wrong with that?
    You think this is the only way to do things?

    Your probably going to say..."Well that's how it is" "Deal with it" "It's never going to change".

    But why not change it? It's broken and we all know it.

    Do you mean to tell me we're not smart enough to come up with something that works?
  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    Hey it's a great thought in principle. In a perfect world right?

    But the truth is...sometimes people don't have control over this stuff.

    Debt isn't entirely the product of irresponabilty. It can also be the product of circumstance. Sometimes circumstances change. I've seen it happen. People with great jobs, great homes, great salary, security...Lose it all...Get sick...and die in debt.

    It happens more than you may realize.

    and who is going to protect us from that... the government?

    The same people that screwed up the stock markets... also work for and or on the government.

    Changing the owners, dosen't change human nature.

    Health care costs are freaking ridiculous. A huge part of that is the insurance industry, but you're always going to have more options in a private system and generally more accessability across social/economic lines in a public system. Still dosen't change finite resources.

    All good countries have some semblance of both.
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    So you agree with this?
    Someone getting very rich off of your Cancer?
    You don't find something inherently wrong with that?
    You think this is the only way to do things?

    Your probably going to say..."Well that's how it is" "Deal with it" "It's never going to change".

    But why not change it? It's broken and we all know it.

    Do you mean to tell me we're not smart enough to come up with something that works?

    Did I say I agree with it? NO. I'm saying it's a big problem.

    What I've said over and over is that the health insurance industry is the cause of most of our healthcare cost issues and that I firmly believe government supplied (ha!) healthcare would even worse.

    What I believe would be best is for people to only care catastrophic health insurance plans and to basically pay for everything else out of pocket.

    I am OK with people making money to provide healthcare in general. I just think the bureaucracy in place now and lack of price competition are the biggest problems we face.
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    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • Gonzo1977
    Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    and who is going to protect us from that... the government?The same people that screwed up the stock markets

    Yeah Government. That's a start.
    They can certainly help to impose some REGULATION on the Health Insurance Industry...Same as they should have imposed REGULATION on Wall Street.
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    Health care costs are freaking ridiculous.A huge part of that is the insurance industry, but you're always going to have more options in a private system and generally more accessability across social/economic lines in a public system.Still dosen't change finite resources.

    Hey Man. I'm not claiming that Universal Health Care isn't flawed.But that's not to say it isn't a good idea or that it couldn't possibly work. It just needs to be refined and better thought out. To say that we can't improve it or never make it work is unacceptable.

    It's the same thing as saying we can never create an automobile that doesn't require Gasoline.

    If we just give up and accept this bullshit system; one that we all admitt is bullshit than were just a bunch of chumps. Since when did we give up on something because it was hard?

    Universal Healthcare is something to work towards just like the enviroment, just like removing our dependence on oil.
    It's a hard transition...but it's possible.
  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    Yeah Government. That's a start.
    They can certainly help to impose some REGULATION on the Health Insurance Industry...Same as they should have imposed REGULATION on Wall Street.



    Hey Man. I'm not claiming that Universal Health Care isn't flawed.But that's not to say it isn't a good idea or that it couldn't possibly work. It just needs to be refined and better thought out. To say that we can't improve it or never make it work is unacceptable.

    It's the same thing as saying we can never create an automobile that doesn't require Gasoline.

    If we just give up and accept this bullshit system; one that we all admitt is bullshit than were just a bunch of chumps. Since when did we give up on something because it was hard?

    Universal Healthcare is something to work towards just like the enviroment, just like removing our dependence on oil.
    It's a hard transition...but it's possible.

    I totally agree, but we are out of control.

    Look at the large campaign donors;the people holding the money can get elected whomever they want, then they write the tax code, they write the health code...It doesn't change if you socialize it, just like the stock market.

    Hell Paulson worked for Goldman Sachs right? Think he got his job at the treasury because he's in it to serve the people?

    I'm not sure if there is anything more confusing for no reason than health care, law, and finance in this country. Consequently, those are the 3 areas where the average person is the most screwed on a routine basis.

    It should and could be made a hell of a lot easier to understand and accessable, but that would diminish the power and wealth of those in charge.

    I totally think it can be improved, I just don't think the powers that be will allow it. Just like Exxon buying up patents and GM crushing the EV1.
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  • Gonzo1977
    Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    know1 wrote:
    What I believe would be best is for people to only care catastrophic health insurance plans and to basically pay for everything else out of pocket.

    Fair enough.

    But I believe that you're basing this on an assumption that all people have to do is simply BUY into this program or make sure they SAVE in case of catastrophic illness.

    The problem is the words BUY and SAVE. Again....Perfect world....Perfect scenario; one that unfortunately isn't a reality for too many Americans.
  • Gonzo1977
    Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    I totally agree, but we are out of control.

    Look at the large campaign donors though man, the people holding the money, can get elected whomever they want, then they write the tax code, they write the health code...It doesn't change if you socialize it, just like the stock market.

    Hell Paulson worked for Goldman Sachs right? Think he got his job at the treasury because he's in it to serve the people?

    I'm not sure if there is anything more confusing than health care, law, and finance in this country. Consequently, those are the 3 areas where the average person is the most screwed on a routine basis.

    It should and could be made a hell of a lot easier to understand and accessable, but that would diminish the power and wealth of those in charge.

    I totally think it can be improved, I just don't think the powers that be will allow it. Just like Exxon buying up patents and GM crushing the EV1.


    No doubt there. Greed is being placed above progress. And that's never a good thing; especially when it comes to peoples health.
  • saveuplife
    saveuplife Posts: 1,173
    NMyTree wrote:

    who the fuck are you ?
    NMyTree wrote:
    Have you lost you fucking mind?

    NMyTree wrote:
    You're completely out of your fucking mind..
    NMyTree wrote:
    Yeah, you're a fucking genius.

    Your eloquence is simply breathtaking.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Until they get a job and start paying for other people....;)

    or maybe just paying back what they got? ;)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • gabers
    gabers Posts: 2,787
    OffHeGoes29 wrote:
    Yeah, it is the problem. Why is it so hard?

    It's not hard if it's a few grand. Plenty of people have had hundreds of thousands in medical bills, should we all save that much up? Seems easy enough.
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    saveuplife wrote:
    Your eloquence is simply breathtaking.


    Oh okay. I'll be thinking exactly the same thing on my deathbed, as you'll be thinking, on your deathbed. Just tell me what to think.

    And I'm sure everyone in this thread, no, everyone on the planet, will be thinking exactly the same thing on their deathbed; as what you will be thinking on your deathbed. Just tell us all what we should be thinking.....on our deathbed.

    Okay? Feel better, now? You got exactly what you wanted.


    What a douche.
  • saveuplife
    saveuplife Posts: 1,173
    NMyTree wrote:
    Oh okay. I'll be thinking exactly the same thing on my deathbed, as you'll be thinking, on your deathbed. Just tell me what to think.

    And I'm sure everyone in this thread, no, everyone on the planet, will be thinking exactly the same thing on their deathbed; as what you will be thinking on your deathbed. Just tell us all what we should be thinking.....on our deathbed.

    Okay? Feel better, now? You got exactly what you wanted.


    What a douche.

    You should be banned.

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