What have we NOT seen or heard in regards to 9/11

hailhailkc

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plinn

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/040406mainsuspect.htm


Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect
Official version of events a conspiracy theory, says drills were cover for attacks

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | April 4 2006

The former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under Presidents Ford and Carter has gone public to say that the official version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory and his main suspect for the architect of the attack is Vice President Dick Cheney.

Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President’s Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers Gold Medal (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors. His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country’s foremost experts on National Security.

Bowman worked secretly for the US government on the Star Wars project and was the first to coin the very term in a 1977 secret memo. After Bowman realized that the program was only ever intended to be used as an aggressive and not defensive tool, as part of a plan to initiate a nuclear war with the Soviets, he left the program and campaigned against it.

In an interview with The Alex Jones Show aired nationally on the GCN Radio Network, Bowman (pictured below) stated that at the bare minimum if Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda were involved in 9/11 then the government stood down and allowed the attacks to happen. He said it is plausible that the entire chain of military command were unaware of what was taking place and were used as tools by the people pulling the strings behind the attack.

Bowman outlined how the drills on the morning of 9/11 that simulated planes crashing into buildings on the east coast were used as a cover to dupe unwitting air defense personnel into not responding quickly enough to stop the attack.

"The exercises that went on that morning simulating the exact kind of thing that was happening so confused the people in the FAA and NORAD....that they didn't they didn't know what was real and what was part of the exercise," said Bowman

"I think the people who planned and carried out those exercises, they're the ones that should be the object of investigation."

Asked if he could name a prime suspect who was the likely architect behind the attacks, Bowman stated, "If I had to narrow it down to one person....I think my prime suspect would be Dick Cheney."

Bowman said that privately his military fighter pilot peers and colleagues did not disagree with his sentiments about the real story behind 9/11.

Bowman agreed that the US was in danger of slipping into a dictatorship and stated, "I think there's been nothing closer to fascism than what we've seen lately from this government."

Bowman slammed the Patriot Act as having, "Done more to destroy the rights of Americans than all of our enemies combined."

Bowman trashed the 9/11 Commission as a politically motivated cover-up with abounding conflicts of interest, charging, "The 9/11 Commission omitted anything that might be the least bit suspicious or embarrassing or in any way detract from the official conspiracy so it was a total whitewash."

"There needs to be a true investigation, not the kind of sham investigations we have had with the 9/11 omission and all the rest of that junk," said Bowman.

Asked if the perpetrators of 9/11 were preparing to stage another false-flag attack to reinvigorate their agenda Bowman agreed that, "I can see that and I hope they can't pull it off, I hope they are prevented from pulling it off but I know darn good and well they'd like to have another one."

A mainstay of the attack pieces against Charlie Sheen have been that he is not credible enough to speak on the topic of 9/11. These charges are ridiculed by the fact that Sheen is an expert on 9/11 who spends hours a day meticulously researching the topic, something that the attack dogs have failed to do, aiming their comments solely at Sheen's personal life and ignoring his invitation to challenge him on the facts.

In addition, from the very start we have put forth eminently credible individuals only for them to be ignored by the establishment media. Physics Professors, former White House advisors and CIA analysts, the father of Reaganomics, German Defense Ministers and Bush's former Secretary of the Treasury, have all gone public on 9/11 but have been uniformly ignored by the majority of the establishment press.

Will Robert Bowman also be blackballed as the mainstream continue to misrepresent the 9/11 truth movement as an occupation of the fringe minority?

Bowman is currently running for Congress in Florida's 15th District.

Vedderlution_Baby

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Larry Zisstans

q:What have we NOT seen or heard in regards to 9/11

a:the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

peace
lz

eden

hailhailkc wrote:

We talk a lot about what we HAVE seen from video, pics and documentation etc. about 9/11. But what about the things we have NOT seen, heard or been exposed to in relation to that day? For instance...

Things that make you go hmmmmmmm...feel free to add to my list...there are so many.

1. Where are the pics of the bodies / body parts AFTER they hit the ground from jumping out of the twin towers. You know someone took pics of that. I don't delight in seeing them, but nothing has ever been released.
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Ive wondered about this as well. Ive heard fireman say that the bodies in the Towers were virtually cremated in the collapse, but the bodies from the jumpers I just assumed that the Government didnt want those released to the delight of the people responsible, also there probably just wasnt a big market of publications that would have even shown those pics, the subject matter is just too disturbing and they knew they would get hell for publishing such gratuitous pics.

Dirtie_Frank

Pictures of the bodies that jumped are probably not available for a few reasons:

1. There were no media that close to the WTC when they jumped all of those cameras were probably a good distance if not on another building on a helicopter.

2. When the towers collapsed that pile of concrete and steel was so hot and continued to burn I suspect that the bodies then were probablyburned to ash.

WHy does there have to be a conspiracy. Bin Laden attacked the USS Cole about 1.5 years before that. I forgot the guys name but they tried to take out the WTC in 92 I think is the year. It was a big target against us. If the government did shoot down the plane in PA it was probably for a reason. Not saying it was a good one and not an easy one either.

No matter what it was a tradgedy on the warm septmeber day. I wish it never happened but for a few months this country was closer than it ever was. We all need to come together and start living freely together. Bush probably did not make the correct decisions following this event, but can you say that you would have done better. There were people callig for heads and he did what he thought was right. I do not support the President of the United States policies but I will support the men and women of this country who fought and gave thier lives. I believe we all should and let's not let them die in vain either.

Former US soldier and Veteran of OIF2

bootlegger10

eden wrote:

Ive wondered about this as well. Ive heard fireman say that the bodies in the Towers were virtually cremated in the collapse, but the bodies from the jumpers I just assumed that the Government didnt want those released to the delight of the people responsible, also there probably just wasnt a big market of publications that would have even shown those pics, the subject matter is just too disturbing and they knew they would get hell for publishing such gratuitous pics.

We saw people fall from the towers. Why do we need to see pictures of them? What does this have to do with anything?

eden

bootlegger10 wrote:

We saw people fall from the towers. Why do we need to see pictures of them? What does this have to do with anything?

Dont yell at me. I agree that they shouldnt be published, Ive just wondered why some idiot out there hasnt tried to profit from them is all.

El_Kabong

jlew24asu wrote:

again, how is this a crediable source. wtc7.net is made by a guy name jim hoffman. (according to the site)

who is jim hoffman? i have no idea. all of a sudden cuz jim hoffman says its true, it is?

sorry i need more then that to believe the government had part of 9/11, in any way at all

if you would bother to look closer at the site you would see there are sources listed at the bottom of each page, at least one of the sources for the page you are refering to ended in house.gov...is that good enough for you?

jlew24asu wrote:

and rinf.com? never heard of it sorry. I like to get my information from the 9/11 commission report. IMO, some very smart honest people worked on it.

you mean these ppl? ha!

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060313/asp/nation/story_5962372.asp

The Pakistan foreign office had paid tens of thousands of dollars to lobbyists in the US to get anti-Pakistan references dropped from the 9/11 inquiry commission report, The Friday Times has claimed.....

It claimed that some of the commission members were also bribed to prevent them from including damaging information about Pakistan.

Larry Zisstans

icarus wrote:

i'm perfectly willing to accept that the government or figures in the government were behind 9/11 or at least participated in or allowed what happened on 9/11. however i've seen little to no concrete evidence supporting these conspiracy theories.

so you are willing, to accept, that a government, was involved in, the biggest distraction of the last few years, without seeing little/any evidence?

damn.

i mean, i agree with you, but the evidence is Everywhere.

peace
lz

rebornFixer

hailhailkc wrote:

Please feel free to start and participate in other threads if this one puts you to sleep.

You are one of the people on here I respect most, hailhail ... But I will admit that this kind of topic is very hard for me to discuss without some sort of negative remark ... I don't know ... I have trouble putting any stock in 9-11 conpiracies right now, given the absense of decent evidence. Until decent evidence emerges, the whole enterprise just strikes me as ... I don't know ... offensive and odd. I know that's not your intent with this thread ... Just saying that I can see where the negative reactions come from.

rebornFixer

Larry Zisstans wrote:

i mean, i agree with you, but the evidence is Everywhere.

peace
lz

Depends on your definition of evidence, I suppose. I don't consider circumstantial evidence and speculation to be enough to draw a definitive conclusion.

Drowned Out

hailhailkc wrote:

4. Other video footage from various sources surrounding the Pentagon. I've heard, and I assume, that there must have been other cameras pointed towards the Pentagon. One can only hope! Heh!! It is the Pentagon after all...

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http://www.infowars.net/articles/may2006/170506Pentagon_videos.htm

This article says there are 85 confiscated tapes of the Pentagon attack (lawsuits are underway to have them released).
The FBI says that only 13 of them actually show the buildings, 12 of which show the building only after impact. They say the only video showing the impact is the one they released (was it three frames?) The most secure building in the world, and only one camera pointed at it? And why not release the other tapes if they don't even show the building?

There were several traffic cameras pointed at the Pentagon that day, but none of them had film in them.

The article also mentions the “straw man” that this could be providing to discredit the 9/11 truth movement…..if people focus too much on this and make it one of the main reasons for not believing the official story, then the tapes are released clearly showing a plane, it could discredit the whole movement in the eyes of the average citizen. Like the article says, there are unanswered questions about the Pentagon that need to be investigated, but we should be focusing more on things like WTC7.

ledvedderman

jlew24asu wrote:

again, how is this a crediable source. wtc7.net is made by a guy name jim hoffman. (according to the site)

who is jim hoffman? i have no idea. all of a sudden cuz jim hoffman says its true, it is?

sorry i need more then that to believe the government had part of 9/11, in any way at all

and rinf.com? never heard of it sorry. I like to get my information from the 9/11 commission report. IMO, some very smart honest people worked on it.

Some very smart people also worked on the Warren Commission after the assassination of President Kennedy, and there are holes all over that report too.

There are too many holes in the official story to ignore. It's like they are asking to us to believe a bullet made 7 seperate wounds in 2 individuals and fell out on a stretcher in perfect shape.

ryan198

reborncareerist wrote:

Depends on your definition of evidence, I suppose. I don't consider circumstantial evidence and speculation to be enough to draw a definitive conclusion.

What do you need for good evidence? The new recipient of 7 billion dollars to say "yep we did it"? I have a feeling that even then many Americans would have a hard time changing their minds that there was an Attack on US citizens by its government. As I've mentioned before most modern societies have had governments commit terrible attrocities on their own people what would make our government and the people in power in this country behave any differently?

With the combination of circumstantial evidence, evidence provided by physics professors (what makes it so hard to believe a prof. who spends her/his life on studying just this sort of stuff?), post 9/11 governmental actions, harms to our freedom, etc. that would never have flown prior to this it makes too much sense that those who have the power and received more power, freedom, and money to have committed this act rather than 19 men trained by the CIA.

Curious

hailhailkc wrote:

Things that make you go hmmmmmmm...feel free to add to my list...there are so many.

1. Where are the pics of the bodies / body parts AFTER they hit the ground from jumping out of the twin towers. You know someone took pics of that. I don't delight in seeing them, but nothing has ever been released.

Do you mean videos like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8Y3r36PZBk

CAUTION: Pretty graphic stuff

There you go, bodies, body parts, people hitting the ground.

I don't quite understand how not having seen this would make a person go 'hmmmm'.

rebornFixer

ryan198 wrote:

What do you need for good evidence? The new recipient of 7 billion dollars to say "yep we did it"? I have a feeling that even then many Americans would have a hard time changing their minds that there was an Attack on US citizens by its government. As I've mentioned before most modern societies have had governments commit terrible attrocities on their own people what would make our government and the people in power in this country behave any differently?

With the combination of circumstantial evidence, evidence provided by physics professors (what makes it so hard to believe a prof. who spends her/his life on studying just this sort of stuff?), post 9/11 governmental actions, harms to our freedom, etc. that would never have flown prior to this it makes too much sense that those who have the power and received more power, freedom, and money to have committed this act rather than 19 men trained by the CIA.

This evidence from physics professors has been de-bunked, repeatedly ... Yet people ignore the counterarguments and continue to cite this so-called evidence. And nor are post 9-11 actions on the part of the U.S. government good evidence, and I think you know better than that. Taking advantage of terrorism and behind behind it are two different things.
And no, any presumably guilty party here is unlikely to confess, although surely these people left some kind of trail. It shouldn't be too unreasonable to wait for such evidence to surface BEFORE drawing such firm conclusions. People are letting mistrust of Bush (a mistrust that is often justifiable, IMHO) cloud their judgment here.

sonicreducer

reborncareerist,...

watch the video 'abook' posted at about 49 min 50 seconds. if that isn't proof of explosives, then what is it?

ryan198

I just don't get how a building could freefall like that?!?! If it was slamming down pancake style wouldn't it take a moment to thud knock down the next level etc. etc. it moved as if there was NO resistance, when clearly any theory which 'debunks' the implosion theory necessarily means that there had to be some resistance, hence longer falling time. But, again, some people will refuse to believe that our government would do it, in the face of all evidence. BTW, besides popular mechanics, how/where else was this debunked?

rebornFixer

sonicreducer wrote:

reborncareerist,...

watch the video 'abook' posted at about 49 min 50 seconds. if that isn't proof of explosives, then what is it?

What proof? I have seen the video, and not only is their no actual proof, the claims made have been refuted by people on this board in earlier posts.