What have we NOT seen or heard in regards to 9/11
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We talk a lot about what we HAVE seen from video, pics and documentation etc. about 9/11. But what about the things we have NOT seen, heard or been exposed to in relation to that day? For instance...
Things that make you go hmmmmmmm...feel free to add to my list...there are so many.
1. Where are the pics of the bodies / body parts AFTER they hit the ground from jumping out of the twin towers. You know someone took pics of that. I don't delight in seeing them, but nothing has ever been released.
2. Black box recordings from the plane that hit the Pentagon.
3. Other pictures of the lawn of the Pentagon. Surely someone else took other pics showing more of the grounds. We seem to only see the same pics over and over.
4. Other video footage from various sources surrounding the Pentagon. I've heard, and I assume, that there must have been other cameras pointed towards the Pentagon. One can only hope! Heh!! It is the Pentagon after all...
So many others...
Things that make you go hmmmmmmm...feel free to add to my list...there are so many.
1. Where are the pics of the bodies / body parts AFTER they hit the ground from jumping out of the twin towers. You know someone took pics of that. I don't delight in seeing them, but nothing has ever been released.
2. Black box recordings from the plane that hit the Pentagon.
3. Other pictures of the lawn of the Pentagon. Surely someone else took other pics showing more of the grounds. We seem to only see the same pics over and over.
4. Other video footage from various sources surrounding the Pentagon. I've heard, and I assume, that there must have been other cameras pointed towards the Pentagon. One can only hope! Heh!! It is the Pentagon after all...
So many others...
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1. I think that whoever does have them, if at all, they have chosen not to make them public. If I was there, and i was not, I would have chosen not to photgragh the bodies.
2. I'm not sure about this.
3. its entirely possible that is the only footage available. im sure if you search the net hard enough you will find things that cnn and fox news dont show.
4. so you would like to see footage from security cameras or personal cameras? I dont think its required to show the public. but i admit, i dont know the law. maybe the freedom of information act?
http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/planes-of-911-exceeded-their-software-limits
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
people are allowed to type whatever they want. its not a creditable source IMO.
what would be?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
again, how is this a crediable source. wtc7.net is made by a guy name jim hoffman. (according to the site)
who is jim hoffman? i have no idea. all of a sudden cuz jim hoffman says its true, it is?
sorry i need more then that to believe the government had part of 9/11, in any way at all
and rinf.com? never heard of it sorry. I like to get my information from the 9/11 commission report. IMO, some very smart honest people worked on it.
Who is Jim Hoffman???? Who is JIM HOFFMAN? He's a software engineer, which apparently makes him a leading expert on Building 7 because he can "think outside the box". :rolleyes:
Just something that's out there so I thought I'd post it. I never said anything about it being all the proof one needs. I can tell you won't read it with an open mind seeing as how yours is already made no matter what.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
It simply makes him a human with an opinion.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
But unfortunately Jim Hoffman's opinion doesn't flow along with what the shepherd wants the sheep to believe so therefore it is not credible.
sorry it takes more then someone with a website to make me believe my government had part in 9/11 or covered up something about flight 93.
The way the believers of the official story seem to feel the need to smear and attack the conspiracy believers is a huge turn off and makes me wonder why they spend so much time getting so worked up over people who they supposedly see as nuts, anyway. It makes me think they do give them credit, though not outloud, and will stop at nothing to make them think twice about presenting their opinion.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
~Ron Burgundy
so you're happy with just one source...the 9/11 commission? everything else isn't worth your time?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Anyway, the pieces that were recovered from te September 11, 2001 attacks were and are not in the possession of Boeing. The Air Force has the remains... as well and a few high level Boeing officials, I'm sure. But, I know... it's not someplace where just anyone can examine the wreckage. Why? Probably because this was not a typical air disaster... we don't have to analyze the flight data recorder to see if there were systems failures. We pretty much know how they crashed.
And from what I have heard... the black boxes have been recovered from Shanksville, PA. and the Pentagon... I don't know about the World Trade Centers.
Hail, Hail!!!
hundreds of sources were used to produce that report. not one person. i took the time to read both of your sources mentioned and i didnt find then credible. if you want to continue to post links of random links feel free. i will be happy to read it.
the commission report was fucked with enough to lose SOME credibility. they deleted like what, 28 pages was it?
not saying conspiracy sites are credible, though, they COULD be.
~Ron Burgundy
you really love that jim hoffman. this is from the site....
Who We Are
9-11 Research is a research consortium consisting of just a few individuals volunteering their time and resources to the effort. The principal contributors to the site are:
Jim Hoffman, Webmaster and Senior Editor
Gregg Roberts, Associate Editor
Victoria Ashley, Research Consultant
Jan Hoyer, Media Coordinator
Jim Hoffman created the website and wrote the vast majority of its original content. Hoffman is a research scientist and software engineer. His scientific visualizations have been widely published in journals including Science News, Scientific American, Science Digest, and Nature; and he co-authored papers in Science and Macromolecules. Hoffman also created the Web publishing system used to maintain the 9-11 Research website. That Hoffman has been targeted by a campaign of harassment and defamation is evidence of the importance of his work.
Gregg Roberts has been investigating the September 11 attack since December 2003 and has provided extensive editorial assistance to 911Research. He is currently working with Hoffman to produce a book based on the site. Roberts is a technical writer and business analyst with a bachelor's degree in psychology, master's-level study in social work, and earlier education in the "hard" sciences.
Victoria Ashley has provided insights into the modes and methods of misinformation used to marginalize the 9/11 Truth Movement. Ashley is a researcher with degrees in architecture and physiological psychology.
Jan Hoyer is a former board member and graphic designer of truthemergency.us, 911Truth.org and 911Visibility.org. Hoyer has a degree in graphic design and experience in online multimedia.
sure they have a nice resume and im sure they are really smart people. but you cant convince me with a handful of people coming up with some theories and posting it on the net.
Esther's here and she's sick?
hi Esther, now we are all going to be sick, thanks
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Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect
Official version of events a conspiracy theory, says drills were cover for attacks
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | April 4 2006
The former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under Presidents Ford and Carter has gone public to say that the official version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory and his main suspect for the architect of the attack is Vice President Dick Cheney.
Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President’s Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers Gold Medal (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors. His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country’s foremost experts on National Security.
Bowman worked secretly for the US government on the Star Wars project and was the first to coin the very term in a 1977 secret memo. After Bowman realized that the program was only ever intended to be used as an aggressive and not defensive tool, as part of a plan to initiate a nuclear war with the Soviets, he left the program and campaigned against it.
In an interview with The Alex Jones Show aired nationally on the GCN Radio Network, Bowman (pictured below) stated that at the bare minimum if Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda were involved in 9/11 then the government stood down and allowed the attacks to happen. He said it is plausible that the entire chain of military command were unaware of what was taking place and were used as tools by the people pulling the strings behind the attack.
Bowman outlined how the drills on the morning of 9/11 that simulated planes crashing into buildings on the east coast were used as a cover to dupe unwitting air defense personnel into not responding quickly enough to stop the attack.
"The exercises that went on that morning simulating the exact kind of thing that was happening so confused the people in the FAA and NORAD....that they didn't they didn't know what was real and what was part of the exercise," said Bowman
"I think the people who planned and carried out those exercises, they're the ones that should be the object of investigation."
Asked if he could name a prime suspect who was the likely architect behind the attacks, Bowman stated, "If I had to narrow it down to one person....I think my prime suspect would be Dick Cheney."
Bowman said that privately his military fighter pilot peers and colleagues did not disagree with his sentiments about the real story behind 9/11.
Bowman agreed that the US was in danger of slipping into a dictatorship and stated, "I think there's been nothing closer to fascism than what we've seen lately from this government."
Bowman slammed the Patriot Act as having, "Done more to destroy the rights of Americans than all of our enemies combined."
Bowman trashed the 9/11 Commission as a politically motivated cover-up with abounding conflicts of interest, charging, "The 9/11 Commission omitted anything that might be the least bit suspicious or embarrassing or in any way detract from the official conspiracy so it was a total whitewash."
"There needs to be a true investigation, not the kind of sham investigations we have had with the 9/11 omission and all the rest of that junk," said Bowman.
Asked if the perpetrators of 9/11 were preparing to stage another false-flag attack to reinvigorate their agenda Bowman agreed that, "I can see that and I hope they can't pull it off, I hope they are prevented from pulling it off but I know darn good and well they'd like to have another one."
A mainstay of the attack pieces against Charlie Sheen have been that he is not credible enough to speak on the topic of 9/11. These charges are ridiculed by the fact that Sheen is an expert on 9/11 who spends hours a day meticulously researching the topic, something that the attack dogs have failed to do, aiming their comments solely at Sheen's personal life and ignoring his invitation to challenge him on the facts.
In addition, from the very start we have put forth eminently credible individuals only for them to be ignored by the establishment media. Physics Professors, former White House advisors and CIA analysts, the father of Reaganomics, German Defense Ministers and Bush's former Secretary of the Treasury, have all gone public on 9/11 but have been uniformly ignored by the majority of the establishment press.
Will Robert Bowman also be blackballed as the mainstream continue to misrepresent the 9/11 truth movement as an occupation of the fringe minority?
Bowman is currently running for Congress in Florida's 15th District.
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Ive wondered about this as well. Ive heard fireman say that the bodies in the Towers were virtually cremated in the collapse, but the bodies from the jumpers I just assumed that the Government didnt want those released to the delight of the people responsible, also there probably just wasnt a big market of publications that would have even shown those pics, the subject matter is just too disturbing and they knew they would get hell for publishing such gratuitous pics.
1. There were no media that close to the WTC when they jumped all of those cameras were probably a good distance if not on another building on a helicopter.
2. When the towers collapsed that pile of concrete and steel was so hot and continued to burn I suspect that the bodies then were probablyburned to ash.
WHy does there have to be a conspiracy. Bin Laden attacked the USS Cole about 1.5 years before that. I forgot the guys name but they tried to take out the WTC in 92 I think is the year. It was a big target against us. If the government did shoot down the plane in PA it was probably for a reason. Not saying it was a good one and not an easy one either.
No matter what it was a tradgedy on the warm septmeber day. I wish it never happened but for a few months this country was closer than it ever was. We all need to come together and start living freely together. Bush probably did not make the correct decisions following this event, but can you say that you would have done better. There were people callig for heads and he did what he thought was right. I do not support the President of the United States policies but I will support the men and women of this country who fought and gave thier lives. I believe we all should and let's not let them die in vain either.
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We saw people fall from the towers. Why do we need to see pictures of them? What does this have to do with anything?
Dont yell at me. I agree that they shouldnt be published, Ive just wondered why some idiot out there hasnt tried to profit from them is all.
if you would bother to look closer at the site you would see there are sources listed at the bottom of each page, at least one of the sources for the page you are refering to ended in house.gov...is that good enough for you?
you mean these ppl? ha!
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060313/asp/nation/story_5962372.asp
The Pakistan foreign office had paid tens of thousands of dollars to lobbyists in the US to get anti-Pakistan references dropped from the 9/11 inquiry commission report, The Friday Times has claimed.....
It claimed that some of the commission members were also bribed to prevent them from including damaging information about Pakistan.
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
so you are willing, to accept, that a government, was involved in, the biggest distraction of the last few years, without seeing little/any evidence?
damn.
i mean, i agree with you, but the evidence is Everywhere.
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--Bill Hicks