Hillary throwing dirt at Obama already

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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    cornnifer wrote:
    In that case, Collin, people on this board "can" be really fuckin stupid. If you don't believe me ...

    Not very hard to believe that:D
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  • miller8966 wrote:
    The Clinton Smear Machine is already hard at work! After the Clinton Mafia is done with this guy, he'll be lucky if he doesn't end up in a cell in Gitmo:

    Hillary's team has questions about Obama's Muslim background



    I find this particularly disgusting.....

    And to top it off, the black 'leaders' seem to be a bit jealous of all the attention Obama is getting cause he didn't come up through the ranks. I like Obama even more for because of this.

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  • KatKat Posts: 4,893
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    So this is the current state of american politics, so much worry about who started this latest news about Obama. The fact that this is even an issue is quite sad.

    It's not like he was a drug addict/killer or raped a girl, the worry is where he spent some time, "a muslim country!" his names sounds kinda like osama? his middle name is what?

    American politics, gotta make you laugh.
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  • gue_barium wrote:
    Most people here on AMT want some palpable change for the better. Obama is centrist at best. He is more of the same. I get the feeling that there's a large population out there, dimmed in the brain by the glare of years-on media and cultural manipulation that see Obama as a shake-up to the system because he is black, and, to me, that seems like a failure of our system in general.


    I understand this. My point was...don't dismiss someone just because they are of a party you don't normally support is all. Whether its Obama, Hilary, or whomever succeeds Bush...if YOU (mean that in a general sense, not you personally) think a certain candidate is the best for the job, then vote for him/her...don't let their party force you to vote for a lesser candidate.
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  • I understand this. My point was...don't dismiss someone just because they are of a party you don't normally support is all. Whether its Obama, Hilary, or whomever succeeds Bush...if YOU (mean that in a general sense, not you personally) think a certain candidate is the best for the job, then vote for him/her...don't let their party force you to vote for a lesser candidate.

    that is exactly how i feel...

    i cannot stand moronic people that say things like, "i will vote for whoever the democratic party runs over any republican that runs no matter what."

    yes, there are people that say that...seemingly intelligent people...
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  • but most of you Americans are too stupid to see though it. (yes there are some of who who are smart enough, but not enough of u), plus the south has a lot of electoral votes and are known to be more on the racist side. (again not all of you...but enough to swing the vote).

    spot on analysis here
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  • gue_barium wrote:
    Obama is centrist at best. He is more of the same.

    It would be virtually impossible for an extremist on either side to have much of an impact on this election. I guess common sense and being realistic leads to the centrist label in this case.
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  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    I just think it's great that he used to do cocaine and is now honest about it. I think people still have a tendency to look down upon recovering addicts. He's saying look just because I used to put shit up my nose doesn't mean I'm some kind of career criminal.
  • JAKARTA, Indonesia (CNN) -- Allegations that Sen. Barack Obama was educated in a radical Muslim school known as a "madrassa" are not accurate, according to CNN reporting.

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/index.html
  • miller8966 wrote:
    The Clinton Smear Machine is already hard at work! After the Clinton Mafia is done with this guy, he'll be lucky if he doesn't end up in a cell in Gitmo:

    Hillary's team has questions about Obama's Muslim background


    Are the American people ready for an elected president who was educated in a Madrassa as a young boy and has not been forthcoming about his Muslim heritage?

    This is the question Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s camp is asking about Sen. Barack Obama.

    An investigation of Mr. Obama by political opponents within the Democratic Party has discovered that Mr. Obama was raised as a Muslim by his stepfather in Indonesia. Sources close to the background check, which has not yet been released, said Mr. Obama, 45, spent at least four years in a so-called Madrassa, or Muslim seminary, in Indonesia.

    "He was a Muslim, but he concealed it," the source said. "His opponents within the Democrats hope this will become a major issue in the campaign."

    When contacted by Insight, Mr. Obama’s press secretary said he would consult with “his boss” and call back. He did not.

    Sources said the background check, conducted by researchers connected to Senator Clinton, disclosed details of Mr. Obama's Muslim past. The sources said the Clinton camp concluded the Illinois Democrat concealed his prior Muslim faith and education.

    "The background investigation will provide major ammunition to his opponents," the source said. "The idea is to show Obama as deceptive."

    In two best-selling autobiographies—"The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream" and "Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance"—Mr. Obama, born in Honolulu where his parents met, mentions but does not expand on his Muslim background, alluding only to his attendance at a "predominantly Muslim school."

    The sources said the young Obama was given the name Hussein by his Muslim father, which the Illinois Democrat rarely uses in public.

    The sources said the background check concerned Mr. Obama's years in Jakarta. In Indonesia, the young Obama was enrolled in a Madrassa and was raised and educated as a Muslim. Although Indonesia is regarded as a moderate Muslim state, the U.S. intelligence community has determined that today most of these schools are financed by the Saudi Arabian government and they teach a Wahhabi doctrine that denies the rights of non-Muslims.

    Although the background check has not confirmed that the specific Madrassa Mr. Obama attended was espousing Wahhabism, the sources said his Democratic opponents believe this to be the case—and are seeking to prove it. The sources said the opponents are searching for evidence that Mr. Obama is still a Muslim or has ties to Islam.

    Mr. Obama attends services at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago’s South Side. However, he is not known to be a regular parishioner.

    "Obama's education began a life-long relationship with Islam as a faith and Muslims as a community," the source said. "This has been a relationship that contains numerous question marks."

    The sources said Mr. Obama spent at least four years in a Muslim school in Indonesia. They said when Mr. Obama was 10, his mother and her second husband separated. She and her son returned to Hawaii.

    "Then the official biography begins," the source said. "Obama never returned to Kenya to see relatives or family until it became politically expedient."

    In both of his autobiographies, Mr. Obama characterizes himself as a Christian—although he describes his upbringing as mostly secular.

    In “The Audacity of Hope,” Mr. Obama says, "I was not raised in a religious household." He describes his mother as secular, but says she had copies of the Bible, the Koran and the Bhagavad Gita in their home.

    Mr. Obama says his father was "raised a Muslim, but by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist...." Mr. Obama also describes his father as largely absent from his life. He says his Indonesian stepfather was "skeptical" about religion and "saw religion as not particularly useful in the practical business of making one's way in the world ...."

    In the book, Mr. Obama briefly addresses his education in Indonesia. "During the five years that we would live with my stepfather in Indonesia, I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school and then to a predominantly Muslim school; in both cases, my mother was less concerned with me learning the catechism or puzzling out the meaning of the muezzin's call to evening prayer than she was with whether I was properly learning my multiplication tables."

    The sources said Ms. Clinton regards Mr. Obama as her most formidable opponent and the biggest obstacle to the Democratic Party’s 2008 presidential nomination. They said Ms. Clinton has been angered by Mr. Obama's efforts to tap her supporters for donations.

    In late 2006, when the Illinois senator demonstrated his intention to run for president, the Clinton campaign ordered a background check on Mr. Obama, the sources said. Earlier this week, Mr. Obama established an exploratory committee, the first step toward a formal race.


    EVEN OBAMA SAID THIS WAS A RIGHT WING SMEAR. FURTHER, IF YOU THINK THE RED STATES ARE GOING TO ELECT A GUY NAMED HUSSEIN OBAMA YOU ARE ON CRACK. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. DIDN'T WE JUST KILL A GUY NAMED HUSSESIN AND ALLEGEDLY TRYING TO FIND A GUY NAMED OSAMA TO KILL HIM.
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    EVEN OBAMA SAID THIS WAS A RIGHT WING SMEAR. FURTHER, IF YOU THINK THE RED STATES ARE GOING TO ELECT A GUY NAMED HUSSEIN OBAMA YOU ARE ON CRACK. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. DIDN'T WE JUST KILL A GUY NAMED HUSSESIN AND ALLEGEDLY TRYING TO FIND A GUY NAMED OSAMA TO KILL HIM.

    There's a George in prison for murder, there's a child molester in prison with the middle name Walker and there's a drug dealer in prison named Bush.
    Makes you wonder who anyone could vote for Bush right? There must be an aweful lot of bad Kerrys somewhere or people must know a lot of assholes called John.
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  • VictoryGinVictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    January 29, 2007
    Feeding Frenzy for a Big Story, Even if It’s False
    By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
    WASHINGTON, Jan. 28 — Jeffrey T. Kuhner, whose Web site published the first anonymous smear of the 2008 presidential race, is hardly the only editor who will not reveal his reporters’ sources. What sets him apart is that he will not even disclose the names of his reporters.

    But their anonymity has not stopped them from making an impact. In the last two weeks, Mr. Kuhner’s Web site, Insight, the last remnant of a defunct conservative print magazine owned by the Unification Church led by the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, was able to set off a wave of television commentary, talk-radio chatter, official denials, investigations by journalists around the globe and news media self-analysis that has lasted 11 days and counting.

    The controversy started with a quickly discredited Jan. 17 article on the Insight Web site asserting that the presidential campaign of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton was preparing an accusation that her rival, Senator Barack Obama, had covered up a brief period he had spent in an Islamic religious school in Indonesia when he was 6.

    (Other news organizations have confirmed Mr. Obama’s descriptions of the school as a secular public school. Both senators have denounced the report, and there is no evidence that Mrs. Clinton’s campaign planned to spread those accusations.)

    In an interview Sunday, Mr. Kuhner, 37, said he still considered the article, which he said was meant to focus on the thinking of the Clinton campaign, to be “solid as solid can be.” But he declined to say whether he had learned the identity of his reporter’s sources, and so perhaps only that reporter knows the origin of the article’s anonymous quotes and assertions. Its assertions about Mr. Obama resemble rumors passed on without evidence in e-mail messages that have been widely circulated over the last several weeks.

    The Clinton-Obama article followed a series of inaccurate or hard-to-verify articles on Insight and its predecessor magazine about politics, the Iraq war or the Bush administration, including a widely discussed report on the Insight Web site that President Bush’s relationship with his father was so strained that they were no longer speaking to each other about politics.

    The Washington Times, which is also owned by the Unification Church, but operates separately from the Web site, quickly disavowed the article. Its national editor sent an e-mail message to staff members under the heading “Insight Strikes Again” telling them to “make sure that no mention of any Insight story” appeared in the paper, and another e-mail message to its Congressional correspondent instructing him to clarify to Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama that The Washington Times had nothing to do with the article on the Web site.

    “Some of the editors here get annoyed when Insight is identified as a publication of The Washington Times,” said Wesley Pruden, editor in chief of The Washington Times.

    And in an interview, John Moody, a senior vice president at Fox News, said its commentators had erred by citing the Clinton-Obama report. “The hosts violated one of our general rules, which is know what you are talking about,” Mr. Moody said. “They reported information from a publication whose accuracy we didn’t know.”

    Mr. Kuhner’s ability to ignite a news media brush fire nonetheless illustrates how easily dubious and politically charged information can spread through the constant chatter of cable news commentary, talk radio programs and political Web sites. And at the start of a campaign with perhaps a dozen candidates hiring “research directors” to examine one another, the Insight episode may be a sign of what is to come.

    To most journalists, the notion of anonymous reporters relying on anonymous sources is a red flag. “If you want to talk about a business model that is designed to manufacture mischief in large volume, that would be it,” said Ralph Whitehead Jr., a professor of journalism at the University of Massachusetts.

    With so much anonymity, “How do we know that Insight magazine actually exists?” Professor Whitehead added. “It could be performance art.”

    But hosts of morning television programs and an evening commentator on the Fox News Network nevertheless devoted extensive discussion to Insight’s Clinton-Obama article, as did Rush Limbaugh and other conservative talk radio hosts.

    And the Fox News rival MSNBC has picked up several of Insight’s other recent anonymous “scoops.” Among them: that Mr. Bush was afraid to fire his adviser Karl Rove because “he knows too much”; that there is a rift between President Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice over the president’s support for Israel; and that Mr. Bush spent the months before the midterm elections in a bunker-mentality focused on the Iraq war and the elections to the exclusion of all else. Mr. Kuhner has appeared as a guest on both networks.

    A spokesman for MSNBC declined to comment. Representatives of News World Communications, the arm of the Unification Church that owns Insight, could not be reached for comment on Sunday night.

    Mr. Kuhner said, “Our report on this opposition research activity is completely accurate,” and he argued that all major news organizations relied on anonymous sources. Mr. Kuhner, in an editor’s note on Insight, said the Web site could not afford to “send correspondents to places like Jakarta to check out every fact in a story.” The Web site pays up to $800 for an article.

    Mr. Kuhner said he was not yet convinced by reports from officials of the elementary school that Mr. Obama attended in Indonesia about its secular history. “To simply take the word of a deputy headmaster about what was the religious curriculum of a school 35 years ago does not satisfy our standards for aggressive investigative reporting,” he wrote.

    Insight was founded two decades ago as a conservative print magazine called Insight on the News. It started the career of the journalist David Brock, who became famous for writing sensational magazine articles and books about Anita Hill and later Mrs. Clinton. Mr. Brock later recanted much of what he had written, and now runs a liberal media group dedicated to countering what it considers be conservative bias in the news media.

    Insight had thousands of subscribers, but its reputation was checkered by its false reports, which included an assertion that President Bill Clinton was selling plots at Arlington National Cemetery to Democratic campaign donors, and, during the Bush administration, that Saddam Hussein’s purported weapons of mass destruction might have been found.

    Officials of the Unification Church closed the print magazine about a year and a half ago, and tapped Mr. Kuhner to run it as a stand-alone Web site. He worked for three years, from 2000 through 2003, as an assistant national editor at The Washington Times. Before that, he was a history professor, but did not finish his dissertation. After leaving The Washington Times, he worked for a Republican policy group.

    Mr. Kuhner said he insisted on editorial independence, reporting only to the board of New World Communications. Under his tenure, Insight’s Web site has claimed a series of anonymous scoops, many centered on the White House. In addition to the article about Mr. Bush’s feud with his father, there was also a January 2006 report that the United States was preparing for a covert attack on Iran and a February 2006 report that Vice President Dick Cheney would step down after the midterm elections.

    Mr. Kuhner said Insight stopped using bylines to encourage contributions from reporters for major news organizations. He said such contributors could not write what they knew under their own names for their main employers, either for fear of alienating powerful sources or because of editors’ biases.

    “Reporters in Washington know a whole lot of what is going on and feel themselves shackled and prevented from reporting what they know is going on,” Mr. Kuhner said. Insight, he said, “is almost like an outlet, an escape valve where they can come out with this information.”

    “The team I have has some of the most seasoned, experienced reporters in this town, so I know the material I am getting is rock-solid.” he said. “The reporter has to give his or her word that, ‘It is solid, Jeff,’ ” Mr. Kuhner said.

    During an interview, he invited this reporter to moonlight for Insight. “I will take a look at your work,” he said. “I will do a background check. You may get a call from me.” He declined to say where the contributor who offered the Clinton-Obama story worked.

    “I said, ‘That is a sexy story, if you can confirm it,’ ” Mr. Kuhner recalled. After Insight posted the article on Jan. 17, Mr. Kuhner said, he was disappointed to see that the Drudge Report did not link to it on its Web site as it has done with other Insight articles. So, as usual, he e-mailed the article to producers at Fox News and MSNBC.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    enharmonic wrote:
    If Clinton takes this path, I will not be able to vote for her under any circumstances. It is hypocrisy of the highest order.

    Besides, if Obama has kept his religious background private, that is his right. The concept of separation of church and state, as well as freedom of religion apply.

    This will really turn me against Hillary, or any other Democrat that considers this a valid path for criticism.

    unless you see source..I'd take this thread with a grain of salt.
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  • Danny BoyDanny Boy Posts: 161
    I'm not a Hillary Clinton fan but am quite enamored with Senator Obama. The madrassa bit wasn't Clinton's doing ~ this article seems to clear things up a bit...

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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    The more i think about this, i can see it either way. Probably a republican smear, but i wouldn't put it past Hilary either. Afterall, she is just as scared of Obama as are the republicans. She can't beat him. Also, if this publication would so blatantly lie, isn't that libel? Sounds like a pretty hefty lawsuit and with as much publicity as this thing is getting, i havn't heard her come forth and deny the accusations. Either way its fucking pathetic.
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