Hillary throwing dirt at Obama already
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The Clinton Smear Machine is already hard at work! After the Clinton Mafia is done with this guy, he'll be lucky if he doesn't end up in a cell in Gitmo:
Hillary's team has questions about Obama's Muslim background
Are the American people ready for an elected president who was educated in a Madrassa as a young boy and has not been forthcoming about his Muslim heritage?
This is the question Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s camp is asking about Sen. Barack Obama.
An investigation of Mr. Obama by political opponents within the Democratic Party has discovered that Mr. Obama was raised as a Muslim by his stepfather in Indonesia. Sources close to the background check, which has not yet been released, said Mr. Obama, 45, spent at least four years in a so-called Madrassa, or Muslim seminary, in Indonesia.
"He was a Muslim, but he concealed it," the source said. "His opponents within the Democrats hope this will become a major issue in the campaign."
When contacted by Insight, Mr. Obama’s press secretary said he would consult with “his boss” and call back. He did not.
Sources said the background check, conducted by researchers connected to Senator Clinton, disclosed details of Mr. Obama's Muslim past. The sources said the Clinton camp concluded the Illinois Democrat concealed his prior Muslim faith and education.
"The background investigation will provide major ammunition to his opponents," the source said. "The idea is to show Obama as deceptive."
In two best-selling autobiographies—"The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream" and "Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance"—Mr. Obama, born in Honolulu where his parents met, mentions but does not expand on his Muslim background, alluding only to his attendance at a "predominantly Muslim school."
The sources said the young Obama was given the name Hussein by his Muslim father, which the Illinois Democrat rarely uses in public.
The sources said the background check concerned Mr. Obama's years in Jakarta. In Indonesia, the young Obama was enrolled in a Madrassa and was raised and educated as a Muslim. Although Indonesia is regarded as a moderate Muslim state, the U.S. intelligence community has determined that today most of these schools are financed by the Saudi Arabian government and they teach a Wahhabi doctrine that denies the rights of non-Muslims.
Although the background check has not confirmed that the specific Madrassa Mr. Obama attended was espousing Wahhabism, the sources said his Democratic opponents believe this to be the case—and are seeking to prove it. The sources said the opponents are searching for evidence that Mr. Obama is still a Muslim or has ties to Islam.
Mr. Obama attends services at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago’s South Side. However, he is not known to be a regular parishioner.
"Obama's education began a life-long relationship with Islam as a faith and Muslims as a community," the source said. "This has been a relationship that contains numerous question marks."
The sources said Mr. Obama spent at least four years in a Muslim school in Indonesia. They said when Mr. Obama was 10, his mother and her second husband separated. She and her son returned to Hawaii.
"Then the official biography begins," the source said. "Obama never returned to Kenya to see relatives or family until it became politically expedient."
In both of his autobiographies, Mr. Obama characterizes himself as a Christian—although he describes his upbringing as mostly secular.
In “The Audacity of Hope,” Mr. Obama says, "I was not raised in a religious household." He describes his mother as secular, but says she had copies of the Bible, the Koran and the Bhagavad Gita in their home.
Mr. Obama says his father was "raised a Muslim, but by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist...." Mr. Obama also describes his father as largely absent from his life. He says his Indonesian stepfather was "skeptical" about religion and "saw religion as not particularly useful in the practical business of making one's way in the world ...."
In the book, Mr. Obama briefly addresses his education in Indonesia. "During the five years that we would live with my stepfather in Indonesia, I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school and then to a predominantly Muslim school; in both cases, my mother was less concerned with me learning the catechism or puzzling out the meaning of the muezzin's call to evening prayer than she was with whether I was properly learning my multiplication tables."
The sources said Ms. Clinton regards Mr. Obama as her most formidable opponent and the biggest obstacle to the Democratic Party’s 2008 presidential nomination. They said Ms. Clinton has been angered by Mr. Obama's efforts to tap her supporters for donations.
In late 2006, when the Illinois senator demonstrated his intention to run for president, the Clinton campaign ordered a background check on Mr. Obama, the sources said. Earlier this week, Mr. Obama established an exploratory committee, the first step toward a formal race.
Hillary's team has questions about Obama's Muslim background
Are the American people ready for an elected president who was educated in a Madrassa as a young boy and has not been forthcoming about his Muslim heritage?
This is the question Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s camp is asking about Sen. Barack Obama.
An investigation of Mr. Obama by political opponents within the Democratic Party has discovered that Mr. Obama was raised as a Muslim by his stepfather in Indonesia. Sources close to the background check, which has not yet been released, said Mr. Obama, 45, spent at least four years in a so-called Madrassa, or Muslim seminary, in Indonesia.
"He was a Muslim, but he concealed it," the source said. "His opponents within the Democrats hope this will become a major issue in the campaign."
When contacted by Insight, Mr. Obama’s press secretary said he would consult with “his boss” and call back. He did not.
Sources said the background check, conducted by researchers connected to Senator Clinton, disclosed details of Mr. Obama's Muslim past. The sources said the Clinton camp concluded the Illinois Democrat concealed his prior Muslim faith and education.
"The background investigation will provide major ammunition to his opponents," the source said. "The idea is to show Obama as deceptive."
In two best-selling autobiographies—"The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream" and "Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance"—Mr. Obama, born in Honolulu where his parents met, mentions but does not expand on his Muslim background, alluding only to his attendance at a "predominantly Muslim school."
The sources said the young Obama was given the name Hussein by his Muslim father, which the Illinois Democrat rarely uses in public.
The sources said the background check concerned Mr. Obama's years in Jakarta. In Indonesia, the young Obama was enrolled in a Madrassa and was raised and educated as a Muslim. Although Indonesia is regarded as a moderate Muslim state, the U.S. intelligence community has determined that today most of these schools are financed by the Saudi Arabian government and they teach a Wahhabi doctrine that denies the rights of non-Muslims.
Although the background check has not confirmed that the specific Madrassa Mr. Obama attended was espousing Wahhabism, the sources said his Democratic opponents believe this to be the case—and are seeking to prove it. The sources said the opponents are searching for evidence that Mr. Obama is still a Muslim or has ties to Islam.
Mr. Obama attends services at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago’s South Side. However, he is not known to be a regular parishioner.
"Obama's education began a life-long relationship with Islam as a faith and Muslims as a community," the source said. "This has been a relationship that contains numerous question marks."
The sources said Mr. Obama spent at least four years in a Muslim school in Indonesia. They said when Mr. Obama was 10, his mother and her second husband separated. She and her son returned to Hawaii.
"Then the official biography begins," the source said. "Obama never returned to Kenya to see relatives or family until it became politically expedient."
In both of his autobiographies, Mr. Obama characterizes himself as a Christian—although he describes his upbringing as mostly secular.
In “The Audacity of Hope,” Mr. Obama says, "I was not raised in a religious household." He describes his mother as secular, but says she had copies of the Bible, the Koran and the Bhagavad Gita in their home.
Mr. Obama says his father was "raised a Muslim, but by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist...." Mr. Obama also describes his father as largely absent from his life. He says his Indonesian stepfather was "skeptical" about religion and "saw religion as not particularly useful in the practical business of making one's way in the world ...."
In the book, Mr. Obama briefly addresses his education in Indonesia. "During the five years that we would live with my stepfather in Indonesia, I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school and then to a predominantly Muslim school; in both cases, my mother was less concerned with me learning the catechism or puzzling out the meaning of the muezzin's call to evening prayer than she was with whether I was properly learning my multiplication tables."
The sources said Ms. Clinton regards Mr. Obama as her most formidable opponent and the biggest obstacle to the Democratic Party’s 2008 presidential nomination. They said Ms. Clinton has been angered by Mr. Obama's efforts to tap her supporters for donations.
In late 2006, when the Illinois senator demonstrated his intention to run for president, the Clinton campaign ordered a background check on Mr. Obama, the sources said. Earlier this week, Mr. Obama established an exploratory committee, the first step toward a formal race.
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Hillary - Country is way to redneck and religious to vote a woman into office
Obama - Country is way to redneck and religious to vote a black/muslim into office.
I think that either one of these candidates would do a good job but I see it as a waste for the Dems because I just don't think the country is ready for it.
What Rove did to McCain was dispicable, but that does not excuse Hilary. If she makes an issue of this and wins the nomination I will not vote for her. I don't care who she runs against. It's about time I vote third anyway.
hillary - it's not b/c she's a woman that she won't appeal to a lot of people.
Obama- in his own words "It was because of these newfound understandings–that religious commitment did not require me to suspend critical thinking, disengage from the battle for economic and social justice, or otherwise retreat from the world that I knew and loved–that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ one day and be baptized. It came about as a choice and not an epiphany; the questions I had did not magically disappear. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth."
unfortunately you may have a point with the black comment but he's not muslim.
I don't agree with you on Hillary. I think that fact that she is a woman is exactly why she won't be voted in. Of course there are other reasons but that will be the biggest one. I would love to think that this country could look at a candidate objectively regardless of their sex but that just isn't the case. Don't kid yourself it won't happen and if they nominate her the Republicans will win no matter who they run.
I know that if the dems nominate her they'll lose in a landslide, but again, not b/c she's a woman...her personality will play a part, her ideas will play apart...don't play the woman card, it's too easy. Don't sell the country that short. As you know, we have our share of people who will cast a vote non-objectively, but i'm pretty sure most people vote for people who represent their values.
well i guess we are just not going to agree on this...other than the fact that if she gets the nom. she will lose badly.
I'll drink to that.
Obama is, in fact not a muslim. He is of Christian faith.
Besides, if Obama has kept his religious background private, that is his right. The concept of separation of church and state, as well as freedom of religion apply.
This will really turn me against Hillary, or any other Democrat that considers this a valid path for criticism.
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Couldn't imagine what that would be like. Hey, by the way, did you know that The Grand Canyon was formed a few thousand years ago by Noah's flood, and not a few million years ago by geological forces?
Yeah he is a christian (well that's what he's said), but I think since his roots have islam in them that'll for sure hurt him. for some it's equal to having relatives that were nazis.
Or at least that's sometimes how they act.
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I just don't like Obama because he's a democrat. eeeew
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Freedom to worship as you choose.. its almost all gone... Even the Democrats pandering to the churches? the church that put and kept Mr Bush in charge of our country for 8 years...
The Christian religion is fine.. but the Churches are corrupt and America is along for the ride . We are so much like our view of THEM...
Yuck! What a mess.. and not even an attempt at a solution in sight..
Are you fucking kidding me!? i'm literally speechless. Absolutely hilarious.
You learn something new everyday I guess.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
and when it comes down to it, elections are decided on who is the most likeable. if Obama is the Dem's nominee and is more likeable than the Republican, i think he wins.
based on the 2000 and 2004 debates alone, even i have to admit that Bush came across as more likeable than Gore or Kerry.
or lack thereof.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
it's a very simple formula.
good points,
But I wonder, if he were to win the nomination who his running mate would be. edwards? haha. as always the dems are putting out a bad field.
For the most part, you're right. But there will be some voters who just won't vote for a woman, on principal. same with Obama. Have you noticed recently that Fox News refers to him as Barack Hussein Obama?
I think the Dems will have a solid field next year. Much better than 2004. Just have to look past Hillary. I don't know a single person who would vote for her, and I live in NY. I mentioned this in another post... I think Fox and other right wingers push her as the frontrunner because they know she won't win
Guess we'll have to wait and see. I hear kerry wants to run again, I think that'll bring the dems to an even lower point if he does...and the dems are already at a very very low point in politics.
I doubt it. Hillary will not get the nomination. She will get housed in the debates. By Edwards, Obama, and others. This will be her first true campaign.
Kerry may run again, but will not win a single primary. Hell, I read the other day that Al Sharpton is considering another run