NJ..Vote Kean

RainDog

Hitler was a right winger with a few left wing/populist proclivities (populist provided the population was homogeneous and German). I've heard this "socialist" argument before, and it always leaves out the "National" part. He also believed in a society of classes as opposed to the classless one of traditional socialist beliefs.

North Korea is officially known as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Is it Democratic?

mammasan

Well I just got to work after performing my civic duty. Though I know the person I voted for, in the NJ senate race, has no shot in hell of winning I'm still anxious to see the results of the election.

Byrnzie

miller8966 wrote:

Sorry i had to write it quick. Im at something called a "JOB".

I thought being the Grand Wizard of the Klan was voluntary work? Do they actually get paid for that shit these days?

SuzannePjam

Purple Hawk wrote:

evidence? seriously? provide ANY shred of evidence they work.

http://www.stemcellresearch.org/facts/treatments.htm

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...1-907ae94b1326

again, sorry to bring the science back to this debate

http://www.columbiatribune.com/2006/Nov/20061105News005.asp

i encourage you to find scientific evidence, peer-reviewed articles, anything, that supports the idea that embryonic research offers ANY hope whatsoever.

Dude, there's only like a bazillion debates on this board alone about stem cell research and I'm not turning a thread about who to vote for into one. As I said in my post if you would have read it properly, it said "shows the most PROMISE of success."

You and I both know that people who are against it are totally closed to the fact that it will work and are very caught up in the whole "taking of a life" side of it. I respect that. But I know from what I've read, and most recently, from a conversation I had with a heart transplant surgeon, that they show enormous promise. What the surgeon told me is that when injected into a damaged heart, the embryonic stem cells regenerate for only about 5 months, then stop regenerating and die off. They're working on ways to make them last longer. But to a person seeking a heart transplant, 5 months can be life or death.

If you chose not to believe embryonic stem cells will work, and don't find research to your liking, then fine. I chose to believe. If you want to debate stem cell research, then perhaps you should start a new thread on it.

Purple Hawk

SuzannePjam wrote:

Dude, there's only like a bazillion debates on this board alone about stem cell research and I'm not turning a thread about who to vote for into one. As I said in my post if you would have read it properly, it said "shows the most PROMISE of success."

You and I both know that people who are against it are totally closed to the fact that it will work and are very caught up in the whole "taking of a life" side of it. I respect that. But I know from what I've read, and most recently, from a conversation I had with a heart transplant surgeon, that they show enormous promise. What the surgeon told me is that when injected into a damaged heart, the embryonic stem cells regenerate for only about 5 months, then stop regenerating and die off. They're working on ways to make them last longer. But to a person seeking a heart transplant, 5 months can be life or death.

If you chose not to believe embryonic stem cells will work, and don't find research to your liking, then fine. I chose to believe. If you want to debate stem cell research, then perhaps you should start a new thread on it.

You're the one who brought up the issue. now you don't want to talk about it? The better informed we are, the better. point me to scientific evidence that it does offer hope...even if it's in another thread. i'd be interested in hearing the evidence. I'm not just looking for research that backs up my side...hell, I didn't even oppose this until I read up on it myself.

Also, no, you and I both don't know that this is all about "taking a life" because I support embryonic research on those embryoes that are going to be thrown away anyway. what I'm opposed to cloning new ones to work on, especially if there's no evidence it will do any good.

Obviously, this issue is VERY complex and to boil it down to "Republicans are against stem cell research" is at best a ridiculous distortion, and at worst, an outright lie.

miller8966

RainDog wrote:

Hitler was a right winger with a few left wing/populist proclivities (populist provided the population was homogeneous and German). I've heard this "socialist" argument before, and it always leaves out the "National" part. He also believed in a society of classes as opposed to the classless one of traditional socialist beliefs.

North Korea is officially known as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Is it Democratic?

Socialist countries become fascist or right wing because socialism DOESN'T WORK, and its what happens when you try to install a left wing socialist idealogue.