40% of UK muslims want Sharia law
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40% of young UK Muslims want sharia law Over a third say conversion from Islam should be 'punished by death'
By Michael Ireland � 2007 Assist News Service
LONDON, England � Young British Muslims are more likely than their elders to support sharia law and admire al-Qaida, but three-fifths of 16-to 24-year-olds say they have as much in common with non-Muslims as with Muslims, according to an opinion poll published on Monday.
According to Jonny Paul, writing in the online edition of The Jerusalem Post, the survey, entitled "Living Together Apart: British Muslims and the Paradox of Multiculturalism" and carried out by UK think tank Policy Exchange, found evidence that young Muslims held more fundamentalist beliefs on key social and political issues than those over age 55.
Forty percent of Muslims between aged 16 to 24 said they would prefer to live under sharia law in the UK, compared to only 17 percent of those over 55. Thirty-six percent of the younger group said a Muslim who converted to another religion should be "punished by death," while only 19 percent of the older group agreed.
Thirteen percent of young Muslims surveyed said they "admired" organizations such as al-Qaida and others who were prepared to "fight the West."
The newspaper says there was also strong support for wearing the veil in public, 74 percent of 16-to-24-year-olds compared with only 28 percent of over-55s, and Islamic schools, 19 percent of over-55s, increasing to 37 percent among 16-to-24-year-olds.
Pollsters questioned 1,003 Muslims, weighted to represent the population across the UK, using Internet and telephone questionnaires.
The newspaper, in a report to which the Associated Press contributed, also said that despite concerns about Islamophobia, the great majority of Muslims � 84 percent � said they have been treated fairly by British society and feel they have as much, if not more, in common with non-Muslims in Britain than with Muslims abroad. The survey concluded that British authorities and some Muslim groups have exaggerated the problem of Islamophobia and fueled a sense of victimization among some Muslims.
Foreign policy was shown to be a key issue for British Muslims, with 58 percent of respondents saying many of the world's problems were "a result of arrogant Western attitudes." Their knowledge of foreign affairs was sketchy, with only one in five knowing that Mahmoud Abbas was head of the Palestinian Authority.
Munira Mirza, the leading author of the report, said the results suggested UK government policy was to blame for sharpening divisions between Muslims and non-Muslims and suggested the government should engage Muslims as citizens, not through their religious identity.
She said: "The emergence of a strong Muslim identity in Britain is, in part, a result of multicultural policies implemented since the 1980s which have emphasized difference at the expense of shared national identity and divided people along ethnic, religious and cultural lines.
"There is clearly a conflict within British Islam between a moderate majority that accepts the norms of Western democracy and a growing minority that does not," she added.
Shahid Malik, a Labor member of Parliament who is a Muslim, said: "This report makes very disturbing reading and it vindicates the concern many of us have that we're not doing enough to confront this issue. For years, I have argued that the [far right] British National Party is a white phenomenon which it is up to the white community to address.
"Well, extremism exists in the name of Islam, and that's something the Muslim community has to take leadership on. It's my view that the mainstream umbrella Muslim organizations have not risen to the challenge and don't accept the depth of the problem that's facing them."
Bangladesh-born Baroness Uddin, the only female Muslim member of the House of Lords, said she agreed that British foreign policy had aggravated Muslim grievances but added that the poll did not reflect her experiences of the views of most members of the community.
"Unlike their parents, our young people feel that this is their country and are saying, 'Why are we being told we do not belong here?' There is also a problem of a lack of opportunities. Some people have been brutalized by their experiences with the police and this war on terror," she said.
Poll results for the 16-24 age group, with 209 respondents, had a margin of error of plus or minus 7 percentage points, and for the group of 55 people aged 60 and over the margin was plus or minus 10 percentage points. For the entire sample, the margin of error would be plus or minus 3 percentage points.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54018
By Michael Ireland � 2007 Assist News Service
LONDON, England � Young British Muslims are more likely than their elders to support sharia law and admire al-Qaida, but three-fifths of 16-to 24-year-olds say they have as much in common with non-Muslims as with Muslims, according to an opinion poll published on Monday.
According to Jonny Paul, writing in the online edition of The Jerusalem Post, the survey, entitled "Living Together Apart: British Muslims and the Paradox of Multiculturalism" and carried out by UK think tank Policy Exchange, found evidence that young Muslims held more fundamentalist beliefs on key social and political issues than those over age 55.
Forty percent of Muslims between aged 16 to 24 said they would prefer to live under sharia law in the UK, compared to only 17 percent of those over 55. Thirty-six percent of the younger group said a Muslim who converted to another religion should be "punished by death," while only 19 percent of the older group agreed.
Thirteen percent of young Muslims surveyed said they "admired" organizations such as al-Qaida and others who were prepared to "fight the West."
The newspaper says there was also strong support for wearing the veil in public, 74 percent of 16-to-24-year-olds compared with only 28 percent of over-55s, and Islamic schools, 19 percent of over-55s, increasing to 37 percent among 16-to-24-year-olds.
Pollsters questioned 1,003 Muslims, weighted to represent the population across the UK, using Internet and telephone questionnaires.
The newspaper, in a report to which the Associated Press contributed, also said that despite concerns about Islamophobia, the great majority of Muslims � 84 percent � said they have been treated fairly by British society and feel they have as much, if not more, in common with non-Muslims in Britain than with Muslims abroad. The survey concluded that British authorities and some Muslim groups have exaggerated the problem of Islamophobia and fueled a sense of victimization among some Muslims.
Foreign policy was shown to be a key issue for British Muslims, with 58 percent of respondents saying many of the world's problems were "a result of arrogant Western attitudes." Their knowledge of foreign affairs was sketchy, with only one in five knowing that Mahmoud Abbas was head of the Palestinian Authority.
Munira Mirza, the leading author of the report, said the results suggested UK government policy was to blame for sharpening divisions between Muslims and non-Muslims and suggested the government should engage Muslims as citizens, not through their religious identity.
She said: "The emergence of a strong Muslim identity in Britain is, in part, a result of multicultural policies implemented since the 1980s which have emphasized difference at the expense of shared national identity and divided people along ethnic, religious and cultural lines.
"There is clearly a conflict within British Islam between a moderate majority that accepts the norms of Western democracy and a growing minority that does not," she added.
Shahid Malik, a Labor member of Parliament who is a Muslim, said: "This report makes very disturbing reading and it vindicates the concern many of us have that we're not doing enough to confront this issue. For years, I have argued that the [far right] British National Party is a white phenomenon which it is up to the white community to address.
"Well, extremism exists in the name of Islam, and that's something the Muslim community has to take leadership on. It's my view that the mainstream umbrella Muslim organizations have not risen to the challenge and don't accept the depth of the problem that's facing them."
Bangladesh-born Baroness Uddin, the only female Muslim member of the House of Lords, said she agreed that British foreign policy had aggravated Muslim grievances but added that the poll did not reflect her experiences of the views of most members of the community.
"Unlike their parents, our young people feel that this is their country and are saying, 'Why are we being told we do not belong here?' There is also a problem of a lack of opportunities. Some people have been brutalized by their experiences with the police and this war on terror," she said.
Poll results for the 16-24 age group, with 209 respondents, had a margin of error of plus or minus 7 percentage points, and for the group of 55 people aged 60 and over the margin was plus or minus 10 percentage points. For the entire sample, the margin of error would be plus or minus 3 percentage points.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54018
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A minority of Muslims who are a minority in England... so what? Why are you concerned? I thought you hated Europe... and England is a part of Europe.
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I would like to see these muslims who think they would be better off under shariah law go and live in the countries they love so much, and see how they get on when they've lost the freedom they get from this country, not to mention the benefits and housing they recieve from our tax paying citizens!
Do muslims true to the Koran truly have the ability for the tolerance of equality and diversity? I watched Anderson Cooper's show on CNN last night and they had a bit about the Shiite religious deal going on right now and some of our troops and reporters were openly walking the streets with a highly respected Sheikh. Was nice to see...
I posed the question about the Koran above based on the following... My aunt is going to school to be a preacher and is striving to get into a class taught by a cat by the name of Rick Mathes ~ a very interesting story if you've yet to hear it:
http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/rickmathes.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4385768.stm
They who? Christians? Of course they have rules, as does any religion.
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i think that says it all really... i am not sure exactly how many muslims there are in the UK but I am sure it is into the millions... this poll was of 264 people with a3% margin of error.
these polls are not worth the paper they are written on. i could poll 100 people and i am sure some would say "kill gays". so is that representative of the nation? no. big shock... people have different views.
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I also think there is an important cultural difference between Europe en the States.
For example, the separation of church and state here is a non debate issue, and having muslims in the country is not a problem.
For example this study (it's in french so don't bother) shows that chrisitians, like muslims are in favor of the separation, with the same numbers. It also states 91% of the french muslims believe in equal rights for men and women. And I'm sure the muslims living here are not that different than the muslims living in England.
So if we have muslims, living and thinking like christians, why should I be bothered by any of them?
As for the cars burning, it had as much to do with religion than the soccer world cup. It's a money thing. (an important number of the rioters were drunk if I remember correctly).
(edit : And a poll with 200 persons is kind of hard to take seriously. I'm sure I could go out tomorrow night and come back with 209 people thinking the world would be a better place if we were to live nude.)
According to that link Last Exodus gave, the percentage of Muslims in the UK is only 2.8%. And there are 1.6 million Muslims, they only asked 264 Muslims. I think that number should be a little higher to have a representative outcome.
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im sure its not all that widespread a view among muslims in the uk but its fair to say that its one that is gaining ground rapidly.
when you look at how the population is predicted to grow, there will be a heck of a lot more muslims in the uk in 20 years-who knows if British shaira law will still be a marginal view then?
one to watch.
if it happens, ill emigrate.
I think you missunderstood. The poll didn't target Islamic fundamentalist exclusively. It took into acount ALL Muslims in Britain.
I bet if you polled only young Christian-American evangelicals, you'd probably find closer to 100% would opt for biblical law.
The point is that although 40% is still a minority, it is a very significant portion of Muslims. For instance if say 40% of all young Christians in the U.S. wanted biblical law, it would be HUGE news. Can you see that?
As a Brit myself I really don't think its as alarming as it sounds. The knee jerk conclusion is that more and more young muslims are becoming radicalised when in reality the youth of any partilcuar persuasion - be that a religious or political one are always far more radical.
Universities for example have always been crammed full of pro-Marxists who walk around with the image of Che Gueverra on their chests (which I've always thought was pretty ignorant and hypocrtical - reducing someone who lived and died to fight capitalism to a 'logo' that is bought and sold just like the Nike tick). Anyway the point is the majority of them wise up to the futility of revoltuonary zeal by the time they are in their mid twenties.
The trend is probably no different in Muslims - and I really doubt the desire for Shariah Law is that much more prevelant here than it is in most other Western European countries. And its ceratainly a less dangerous situation than persists in the states - where you have Christian fundamentalists with a hot line to and a huge influence over the President and his administration.
Makes a good headline though.
maybe you should tell that to the evangelicals trying to pass christian legislation every day.
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then maybe you didn't understand. becos the first sentence with that 40% figure says only that it's the young muslims they're polling. nor does it discuss how the poll was conducted, who was chosen, how they were chosen, or what sect of islam they are from. regardless, i think that if you polled even lukewarm, mainstream christians 18-24 (just guessing this is their age range for young) and asked them "should the us law be based on christian moral values" you'd get well over 40% of people saying yes. it's the same question with the only difference being that christians don't have one big fancy name for it like sharia. im not alarmed nor surprised.
"If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife."
And Deuteronomy 22:28-29:
"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."
So, you know, at least she gets a new husband if she was a virgin.
From Deuteronomy 20:
" As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."
So, yes, there is something to be afraid of when people say they want to live by Sharia law - but don't think this is simply a Muslim thing.
you would consider this a gasp?
Deuteronomy 22: 25-26
But if in the field the man finds the girl who is engaged, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lies with her shall die. 26"But you shall do nothing to the girl; there is no sin in the girl worthy of death,
Here's a commentary on it:
If she were forced, and never consented, he that committed the rape was to be put to death, but the damsel was to be acquitted
I have never heard anyone advocating for that though. Most religious texts have crazy stuff in them, but lets be honest, there is not any type of significant movement in modern day christianity to live by the things youve posted above.
If a damsel not betrothed were thus abused by violence, he that abused her should be fined, the father should have the fine, and, if he and the damsel did consent, he should be bound to marry her, and never to divorce her, how much soever she was below him, and how unpleasing soever she might afterwards be to him, as Tamar was to Amnon after he had forced her, v. 28, 29. This was to deter men from such vicious practices, which it is a shame that we are necessitated to read and write of