and when do you get ordained for sainthood? cos in the last 2 days ive learned that you've been in a famous band, donated millions of dollars to african relief, and spend all your free time helping abused and neglected children. dont break your fingers tooting your own horn there. doesn't seem to me like you've got any room to point fingers at bono. apparently you're a regular renaissance man. something about your stories doesn't jive.
i really don't think this post deserves a response but i wonder; what doesn't jive?
i really don't think this post deserves a response but i wonder; what doesn't jive?
that you and your family are multi-millionaires who lived in africa but now you live in america and somehow pull down millions of dollars working in a shelter for abused and neglected kids. that prior to all of this you were a famous musician in a successful rock band who made enough to donate millions to africa but now has nothing better to do than hang around the pearl jam message pit posting all day (apparently while continuing to work with abused kids... are they on nap time right now?).
Most of the money goes to the warlords. And also i believe in conspcious consumption..... i need a ps3
A LIGHT IN A SEA OF DARKNESS. most of the money goes to big ofices; new computers; advertising for more donations; paying the people that work for this non-profit company; and other business associated costs.
i praise PJ for their work and look down on bono because PJ works as a team. if U2 was making the donations and other help as a team; that's not self promotion. but all i ever hear about is bono. the money was made as a team and should be recognised as a team effort. a band is a family.
take someone like clint eastwood or others that greatly donate to causes yet don't feel the need to shout it from the rooftops. alice cooper has been doing more than anyone i know yet doesn't self promote.
i would have respected bono stopping the concert and saying "every 3 (?) seconds a child dies in africa. this is important to me and if you can help; i'd greatly appreciate it."
maybe it's just me.
A LIGHT IN A SEA OF DARKNESS. most of the money goes to big ofices; new computers; advertising for more donations; paying the people that work for this non-profit company; and other business associated costs.
i praise PJ for their work and look down on bono because PJ works as a team. if U2 was making the donations and other help as a team; that's not self promotion. but all i ever hear about is bono. the money was made as a team and should be recognised as a team effort. a band is a family.
take someone like clint eastwood or others that greatly donate to causes yet don't feel the need to shout it from the rooftops. alice cooper has been doing more than anyone i know yet doesn't self promote.
i would have respected bono stopping the concert and saying "every 3 (?) seconds a child dies in africa. this is important to me and if you can help; i'd greatly appreciate it."
maybe it's just me.
the edge has been incredibly active in similar measures. he has been a huge player in rebuilding the music scene in nwe orleans after katrina. they all have an activist streak. bono just gets the most press cos he's the frontman. to people who arent huge pearl jam fans, it's only eddie vedder who spouts off about politics anymore. cos nobody know who else is in the band. ditto for U2. they all stay involved, bono just has the highest profile.
that you and your family are multi-millionaires who lived in africa but now you live in america and somehow pull down millions of dollars working in a shelter for abused and neglected kids. that prior to all of this you were a famous musician in a successful rock band who made enough to donate millions to africa but now has nothing better to do than hang around the pearl jam message pit posting all day (apparently while continuing to work with abused kids... are they on nap time right now?).
what's your story?
what was your band called?
who told you this? it's new to me. polish families are close. all have businesses branched from my grandfather. the average number of children runs from 7 to 14; so my family includes hundreds of people. and that's immediate family.
now i am the biggest supplier of grass raised buffalo. my job is basically watching buffalo eat. this leaves plenty of time to donate to abused children and other things to help my community. i have a cousin in south africa with a mission helping there and another that's a nun stationed there.
so what's so difficult to understand?
the edge has been incredibly active in similar measures. he has been a huge player in rebuilding the music scene in nwe orleans after katrina. they all have an activist streak. bono just gets the most press cos he's the frontman. to people who arent huge pearl jam fans, it's only eddie vedder who spouts off about politics anymore. cos nobody know who else is in the band. ditto for U2. they all stay involved, bono just has the highest profile.
fair enough. but eddie gives credit where it's due. i credit the entire family even though i am now head of the family.
you do raise a good point and i respect that.
who told you this? it's new to me. polish families are close. all have businesses branched from my grandfather. the average number of children runs from 7 to 14; so my family includes hundreds of people. and that's immediate family.
now i am the biggest supplier of grass raised buffalo. my job is basically watching buffalo eat. this leaves plenty of time to donate to abused children and other things to help my community. i have a cousin in south africa with a mission helping there and another that's a nun stationed there.
so what's so difficult to understand?
why you fault bono for being an attention seeker and being highly active in trying to combat issues you yourself support, then in the same sentence drop the fact that your family donates millions to such causes without drawing attention to it, which is patently false becos in that very sentence you are calling attention to it. bono is doing a lot of good. he donates tons of money and time to those causes. and by being vocal about it, he inspires others to donate... so you dont just get bono's millions, you get millions of other people adding to that sum. how is that a bad thing? i am all for him speaking out about these things. god knows most people in this country are either totally oblivious to it or simply dont give a shit. if he can wake even a few people up that is a good thing.
that's what i dont understand. why you think bono should shut up about this stuff.
also, id still like to know what band you were in.
fair enough. but eddie gives credit where it's due. i credit the entire family even though i am now head of the family.
you do raise a good point and i respect that.
ive yet to see bono take sole credit for curing africa. he talks about great organizations and even creates his own to address problems. ive never seen any ego in what he does. he enjoys playing like a mega star at times, i think he gets a kick out of it. but when he talks about those issues, he is very sincere and it is about the people he wants to help, not him.
ive yet to see bono take sole credit for curing africa. he talks about great organizations and even creates his own to address problems. ive never seen any ego in what he does. he enjoys playing like a mega star at times, i think he gets a kick out of it. but when he talks about those issues, he is very sincere and it is about the people he wants to help, not him.
I completely agree with you soul. But for some reason, Bono just rubs people the wrong way. And that usually relates back to the music and that they hate the band. I'm still waiting for onelongsong to explain why popularizing a cause is a bad thing.
I completely agree with you soul. But for some reason, Bono just rubs people the wrong way. And that usually relates back to the music and that they hate the band. I'm still waiting for onelongsong to explain why popularizing a cause is a bad thing.
i think it's simply a matter of him being born at the wrong time. he'd have fit right in in the 60s. but we're a cynical generation. so it's tough for us to accept raw idealism like bono has. we assume everyone has an angle. to an extent, we dont want to believe such things happen becos it challenges us as well to try to live up to our values and beliefs.
I completely agree with you soul. But for some reason, Bono just rubs people the wrong way. And that usually relates back to the music and that they hate the band. I'm still waiting for onelongsong to explain why popularizing a cause is a bad thing.
i never said popularizing any cause was bad. i just don't believe in self promotion for doing something you should be doing anyway. i retired at age 40 knowing i could skate the rest of my life. it was great for many years but then i couldn't live with myself when i saw suffering and people that needed help and i was turning my back. i helped alice cooper a few times with his charities and saw the faces of the kids he helped. he's doing something called christmas pudding yet he's not out promoting himself. it isn't about him; it's about the children.
this is just my opinion. i see alice doing something from his heart for others. and fyi; he's working every event. he's on the floor setting up the haunted house; etc. i look up to people like that. he can use his name and fame but he's not doing it for himself. he's doing it for others.
i never said popularizing any cause was bad. i just don't believe in self promotion for doing something you should be doing anyway. i retired at age 40 knowing i could skate the rest of my life. it was great for many years but then i couldn't live with myself when i saw suffering and people that needed help and i was turning my back. i helped alice cooper a few times with his charities and saw the faces of the kids he helped. he's doing something called christmas pudding yet he's not out promoting himself. it isn't about him; it's about the children.
this is just my opinion. i see alice doing something from his heart for others. and fyi; he's working every event. he's on the floor setting up the haunted house; etc. i look up to people like that. he can use his name and fame but he's not doing it for himself. he's doing it for others.
So you think Bono is doing it for himself. OK. I don't believe this to be true.
I've never heard of Alice's charities. Perhaps he should use his popularity to promote them.:)
i never said popularizing any cause was bad. i just don't believe in self promotion for doing something you should be doing anyway. i retired at age 40 knowing i could skate the rest of my life. it was great for many years but then i couldn't live with myself when i saw suffering and people that needed help and i was turning my back. i helped alice cooper a few times with his charities and saw the faces of the kids he helped. he's doing something called christmas pudding yet he's not out promoting himself. it isn't about him; it's about the children.
this is just my opinion. i see alice doing something from his heart for others. and fyi; he's working every event. he's on the floor setting up the haunted house; etc. i look up to people like that. he can use his name and fame but he's not doing it for himself. he's doing it for others.
Do you have some particular inside information as to what motivates Bono?
It's really cool that Alice Cooper is doing all this stuff to help kids. Maybe I'd have donated myself if I'd ever heard of these charities. Might be a good idea for Alice to use his celebrity status to publicize them a little more, don't you think?
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Do you have some particular inside information as to what motivates Bono?
It's really cool that Alice Cooper is doing all this stuff to help kids. Maybe I'd have donated myself if I'd ever heard of these charities. Might be a good idea for Alice to use his celebrity status to publicize them a little more, don't you think?
i'm on the fence there. should people give because he's a celebrity or because it's helping kids? i know what motivates alice. i'm not sure what motivates bono. i've known people who take money from their companies and donate in their name just so the public thinks they are great people. i've seen others donate directly from the company because the cause is greater than the glory.
a friend in fla called alice a washed up alcoholic has-been; yet in phoenix he's almost a hero. i do the things i do because they make me feel good. when i first saw (my girl) 7 months ago; i saw an emptiness inside her i thought could never be filled. the social workers wanted to lock her up. now she stands tall with her head held high; gets good grades; participates in sports; and everyone that knew her says shes a different person. when i look into her eyes now; i see more thanks then if the whole world sung my name in unisin.
i'm on the fence there. should people give because he's a celebrity or because it's helping kids? i know what motivates alice. i'm not sure what motivates bono. i've known people who take money from their companies and donate in their name just so the public thinks they are great people. i've seen others donate directly from the company because the cause is greater than the glory.
a friend in fla called alice a washed up alcoholic has-been; yet in phoenix he's almost a hero. i do the things i do because they make me feel good. when i first saw (my girl) 7 months ago; i saw an emptiness inside her i thought could never be filled. the social workers wanted to lock her up. now she stands tall with her head held high; gets good grades; participates in sports; and everyone that knew her says shes a different person. when i look into her eyes now; i see more thanks then if the whole world sung my name in unisin.
So you don't know Bono's intentions so you condemn him for his efforts. Interesting. I do work for a non-profit and frankly I don't care why someone gives us money so long as we get it.
So you don't know Bono's intentions so you condemn him for his efforts. Interesting. I do work for a non-profit and frankly I don't care why someone gives us money so long as we get it.
if i condemned anyone i apologise. i didn't mean to incinuate that. i only meant that i don't like the way he goes about it.
i'm in the process of forming a non-profit organization for a 4000 acre bison sanctuary in nevada. between grants and tax breaks; it's a great racket if you're not honest.
between grants and tax breaks; it's a great racket if you're not honest.
You're right there.
And I think you could give Bono a break. From everything I've read and seen from interviews I don't think he is doing this purely for his ego - he has the band for that.
Good luck on the bison sanctuary. What part of Nevada, if you don't mind me asking?
And I think you could give Bono a break. From everything I've read and seen from interviews I don't think he is doing this purely for his ego - he has the band for that.
Good luck on the bison sanctuary. What part of Nevada, if you don't mind me asking?
i should give him a break because i don't know enough about him to make an educated opinion. he just seems arrogant to me. i do like U2's music though.
i'm looking near battle mountain. they say the shoshone mtns are the last pristine wilderness left.
So you don't know Bono's intentions so you condemn him for his efforts. Interesting. I do work for a non-profit and frankly I don't care why someone gives us money so long as we get it.
Hey, cutback, I'm just curious but do you care who gives you money? For instance if your non-profit was involved with children with cancer would you accept donations from a cigarette manufacturer?
Hey, cutback, I'm just curious but do you care who gives you money? For instance if your non-profit was involved with children with cancer would you accept donations from a cigarette manufacturer?
OK I guess I was a little broad in saying who gives it but I was trying to clarify onelongsong's opinion.
OK I guess I was a little broad in saying who gives it but I was trying to clarify onelongsong's opinion.
clarify my opinion? my opinion is still the same. i agree that i should give him a break until i learn more but my opinion stands. i sang one benefit and the cause got lost in the party. as front man it was my fault.
OK I guess I was a little broad in saying who gives it but I was trying to clarify onelongsong's opinion.
That's cool, I was just curious. So you are saying that you wouldn't accept donations from organizations that hold opposing or detrimental views to your organization but if an organization wanted to donate to your non-profit for tax right off purposes that would be ok?
clarify my opinion? my opinion is still the same. i agree that i should give him a break until i learn more but my opinion stands. i sang one benefit and the cause got lost in the party. as front man it was my fault.
I knew that wasn't gonna sound right. My questions were meant to clarify your opinion for me. I wasn't quite sure how you felt so I kept asking questions. No harm was meant.:)
That's cool, I was just curious. So you are saying that you wouldn't accept donations from organizations that hold opposing or detrimental views to your organization but if an organization wanted to donate to your non-profit for tax right off purposes that would be ok?
Any upstanding organization should be able to donate to any charity they like. If they do it just for the tax right-off, so be it. At least that money won't go to fund some goddamn war.
Any upstanding organization should be able to donate to any charity they like. If they do it just for the tax right-off, so be it. At least that money won't go to fund some goddamn war.
Absolutely but would you have a moral dilemma accepting money from an organization at odds to what you are trying to achieve with your non profit organization? For instance should an environmental organization accept large donations from Rio Tinto or Exon?
i never said popularizing any cause was bad. i just don't believe in self promotion for doing something you should be doing anyway. i retired at age 40 knowing i could skate the rest of my life. it was great for many years but then i couldn't live with myself when i saw suffering and people that needed help and i was turning my back. i helped alice cooper a few times with his charities and saw the faces of the kids he helped. he's doing something called christmas pudding yet he's not out promoting himself. it isn't about him; it's about the children.
this is just my opinion. i see alice doing something from his heart for others. and fyi; he's working every event. he's on the floor setting up the haunted house; etc. i look up to people like that. he can use his name and fame but he's not doing it for himself. he's doing it for others.
and our point is, neither is bono. he's not doing it for popularity or self-benefit, he's doing it to help those people. and he's using his name to accomplish that, just like alice cooper.
Absolutely but would you have a moral dilemma accepting money from an organization at odds to what you are trying to achieve with your non profit organization? For instance should an environmental organization accept large donations from Rio Tinto or Exon?
I'm curious Jeanie, are you looking for some answer? It seems like you are looking for a specific answer from me. Which is cool, but frankly I didn't want to get into a morals argument here.:D
I'm curious Jeanie, are you looking for some answer? It seems like you are looking for a specific answer from me. Which is cool, but frankly I didn't want to get into a morals argument here.:D
No I was just curious to hear your thoughts. But if you don't want to talk about it that's cool with me. I was just interested in what you had to say, no biggy.
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i really don't think this post deserves a response but i wonder; what doesn't jive?
that you and your family are multi-millionaires who lived in africa but now you live in america and somehow pull down millions of dollars working in a shelter for abused and neglected kids. that prior to all of this you were a famous musician in a successful rock band who made enough to donate millions to africa but now has nothing better to do than hang around the pearl jam message pit posting all day (apparently while continuing to work with abused kids... are they on nap time right now?).
what's your story?
what was your band called?
A LIGHT IN A SEA OF DARKNESS. most of the money goes to big ofices; new computers; advertising for more donations; paying the people that work for this non-profit company; and other business associated costs.
i praise PJ for their work and look down on bono because PJ works as a team. if U2 was making the donations and other help as a team; that's not self promotion. but all i ever hear about is bono. the money was made as a team and should be recognised as a team effort. a band is a family.
take someone like clint eastwood or others that greatly donate to causes yet don't feel the need to shout it from the rooftops. alice cooper has been doing more than anyone i know yet doesn't self promote.
i would have respected bono stopping the concert and saying "every 3 (?) seconds a child dies in africa. this is important to me and if you can help; i'd greatly appreciate it."
maybe it's just me.
the edge has been incredibly active in similar measures. he has been a huge player in rebuilding the music scene in nwe orleans after katrina. they all have an activist streak. bono just gets the most press cos he's the frontman. to people who arent huge pearl jam fans, it's only eddie vedder who spouts off about politics anymore. cos nobody know who else is in the band. ditto for U2. they all stay involved, bono just has the highest profile.
who told you this? it's new to me. polish families are close. all have businesses branched from my grandfather. the average number of children runs from 7 to 14; so my family includes hundreds of people. and that's immediate family.
now i am the biggest supplier of grass raised buffalo. my job is basically watching buffalo eat. this leaves plenty of time to donate to abused children and other things to help my community. i have a cousin in south africa with a mission helping there and another that's a nun stationed there.
so what's so difficult to understand?
fair enough. but eddie gives credit where it's due. i credit the entire family even though i am now head of the family.
you do raise a good point and i respect that.
why you fault bono for being an attention seeker and being highly active in trying to combat issues you yourself support, then in the same sentence drop the fact that your family donates millions to such causes without drawing attention to it, which is patently false becos in that very sentence you are calling attention to it. bono is doing a lot of good. he donates tons of money and time to those causes. and by being vocal about it, he inspires others to donate... so you dont just get bono's millions, you get millions of other people adding to that sum. how is that a bad thing? i am all for him speaking out about these things. god knows most people in this country are either totally oblivious to it or simply dont give a shit. if he can wake even a few people up that is a good thing.
that's what i dont understand. why you think bono should shut up about this stuff.
also, id still like to know what band you were in.
ive yet to see bono take sole credit for curing africa. he talks about great organizations and even creates his own to address problems. ive never seen any ego in what he does. he enjoys playing like a mega star at times, i think he gets a kick out of it. but when he talks about those issues, he is very sincere and it is about the people he wants to help, not him.
i think it's simply a matter of him being born at the wrong time. he'd have fit right in in the 60s. but we're a cynical generation. so it's tough for us to accept raw idealism like bono has. we assume everyone has an angle. to an extent, we dont want to believe such things happen becos it challenges us as well to try to live up to our values and beliefs.
i never said popularizing any cause was bad. i just don't believe in self promotion for doing something you should be doing anyway. i retired at age 40 knowing i could skate the rest of my life. it was great for many years but then i couldn't live with myself when i saw suffering and people that needed help and i was turning my back. i helped alice cooper a few times with his charities and saw the faces of the kids he helped. he's doing something called christmas pudding yet he's not out promoting himself. it isn't about him; it's about the children.
this is just my opinion. i see alice doing something from his heart for others. and fyi; he's working every event. he's on the floor setting up the haunted house; etc. i look up to people like that. he can use his name and fame but he's not doing it for himself. he's doing it for others.
I've never heard of Alice's charities. Perhaps he should use his popularity to promote them.:)
It's really cool that Alice Cooper is doing all this stuff to help kids. Maybe I'd have donated myself if I'd ever heard of these charities. Might be a good idea for Alice to use his celebrity status to publicize them a little more, don't you think?
i'm on the fence there. should people give because he's a celebrity or because it's helping kids? i know what motivates alice. i'm not sure what motivates bono. i've known people who take money from their companies and donate in their name just so the public thinks they are great people. i've seen others donate directly from the company because the cause is greater than the glory.
a friend in fla called alice a washed up alcoholic has-been; yet in phoenix he's almost a hero. i do the things i do because they make me feel good. when i first saw (my girl) 7 months ago; i saw an emptiness inside her i thought could never be filled. the social workers wanted to lock her up. now she stands tall with her head held high; gets good grades; participates in sports; and everyone that knew her says shes a different person. when i look into her eyes now; i see more thanks then if the whole world sung my name in unisin.
if i condemned anyone i apologise. i didn't mean to incinuate that. i only meant that i don't like the way he goes about it.
i'm in the process of forming a non-profit organization for a 4000 acre bison sanctuary in nevada. between grants and tax breaks; it's a great racket if you're not honest.
And I think you could give Bono a break. From everything I've read and seen from interviews I don't think he is doing this purely for his ego - he has the band for that.
Good luck on the bison sanctuary. What part of Nevada, if you don't mind me asking?
i should give him a break because i don't know enough about him to make an educated opinion. he just seems arrogant to me. i do like U2's music though.
i'm looking near battle mountain. they say the shoshone mtns are the last pristine wilderness left.
Hey, cutback, I'm just curious but do you care who gives you money? For instance if your non-profit was involved with children with cancer would you accept donations from a cigarette manufacturer?
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clarify my opinion? my opinion is still the same. i agree that i should give him a break until i learn more but my opinion stands. i sang one benefit and the cause got lost in the party. as front man it was my fault.
That's cool, I was just curious. So you are saying that you wouldn't accept donations from organizations that hold opposing or detrimental views to your organization but if an organization wanted to donate to your non-profit for tax right off purposes that would be ok?
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Absolutely but would you have a moral dilemma accepting money from an organization at odds to what you are trying to achieve with your non profit organization? For instance should an environmental organization accept large donations from Rio Tinto or Exon?
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and our point is, neither is bono. he's not doing it for popularity or self-benefit, he's doing it to help those people. and he's using his name to accomplish that, just like alice cooper.
so what band were you in?
No I was just curious to hear your thoughts. But if you don't want to talk about it that's cool with me. I was just interested in what you had to say, no biggy.
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