U2's Bono gets owned

norm

soulsinging wrote:

ive yet to see bono take sole credit for curing africa. he talks about great organizations and even creates his own to address problems. ive never seen any ego in what he does. he enjoys playing like a mega star at times, i think he gets a kick out of it. but when he talks about those issues, he is very sincere and it is about the people he wants to help, not him.

I completely agree with you soul. But for some reason, Bono just rubs people the wrong way. And that usually relates back to the music and that they hate the band. I'm still waiting for onelongsong to explain why popularizing a cause is a bad thing.

soulsinging

cutback wrote:

I completely agree with you soul. But for some reason, Bono just rubs people the wrong way. And that usually relates back to the music and that they hate the band. I'm still waiting for onelongsong to explain why popularizing a cause is a bad thing.

i think it's simply a matter of him being born at the wrong time. he'd have fit right in in the 60s. but we're a cynical generation. so it's tough for us to accept raw idealism like bono has. we assume everyone has an angle. to an extent, we dont want to believe such things happen becos it challenges us as well to try to live up to our values and beliefs.

onelongsong

cutback wrote:

I completely agree with you soul. But for some reason, Bono just rubs people the wrong way. And that usually relates back to the music and that they hate the band. I'm still waiting for onelongsong to explain why popularizing a cause is a bad thing.

i never said popularizing any cause was bad. i just don't believe in self promotion for doing something you should be doing anyway. i retired at age 40 knowing i could skate the rest of my life. it was great for many years but then i couldn't live with myself when i saw suffering and people that needed help and i was turning my back. i helped alice cooper a few times with his charities and saw the faces of the kids he helped. he's doing something called christmas pudding yet he's not out promoting himself. it isn't about him; it's about the children.
this is just my opinion. i see alice doing something from his heart for others. and fyi; he's working every event. he's on the floor setting up the haunted house; etc. i look up to people like that. he can use his name and fame but he's not doing it for himself. he's doing it for others.

norm

onelongsong wrote:

i never said popularizing any cause was bad. i just don't believe in self promotion for doing something you should be doing anyway. i retired at age 40 knowing i could skate the rest of my life. it was great for many years but then i couldn't live with myself when i saw suffering and people that needed help and i was turning my back. i helped alice cooper a few times with his charities and saw the faces of the kids he helped. he's doing something called christmas pudding yet he's not out promoting himself. it isn't about him; it's about the children.
this is just my opinion. i see alice doing something from his heart for others. and fyi; he's working every event. he's on the floor setting up the haunted house; etc. i look up to people like that. he can use his name and fame but he's not doing it for himself. he's doing it for others.

So you think Bono is doing it for himself. OK. I don't believe this to be true.

I've never heard of Alice's charities. Perhaps he should use his popularity to promote them.:)

hippiemom

onelongsong wrote:

i never said popularizing any cause was bad. i just don't believe in self promotion for doing something you should be doing anyway. i retired at age 40 knowing i could skate the rest of my life. it was great for many years but then i couldn't live with myself when i saw suffering and people that needed help and i was turning my back. i helped alice cooper a few times with his charities and saw the faces of the kids he helped. he's doing something called christmas pudding yet he's not out promoting himself. it isn't about him; it's about the children.
this is just my opinion. i see alice doing something from his heart for others. and fyi; he's working every event. he's on the floor setting up the haunted house; etc. i look up to people like that. he can use his name and fame but he's not doing it for himself. he's doing it for others.

Do you have some particular inside information as to what motivates Bono?

It's really cool that Alice Cooper is doing all this stuff to help kids. Maybe I'd have donated myself if I'd ever heard of these charities. Might be a good idea for Alice to use his celebrity status to publicize them a little more, don't you think?

onelongsong

hippiemom wrote:

Do you have some particular inside information as to what motivates Bono?

It's really cool that Alice Cooper is doing all this stuff to help kids. Maybe I'd have donated myself if I'd ever heard of these charities. Might be a good idea for Alice to use his celebrity status to publicize them a little more, don't you think?

i'm on the fence there. should people give because he's a celebrity or because it's helping kids? i know what motivates alice. i'm not sure what motivates bono. i've known people who take money from their companies and donate in their name just so the public thinks they are great people. i've seen others donate directly from the company because the cause is greater than the glory.
a friend in fla called alice a washed up alcoholic has-been; yet in phoenix he's almost a hero. i do the things i do because they make me feel good. when i first saw (my girl) 7 months ago; i saw an emptiness inside her i thought could never be filled. the social workers wanted to lock her up. now she stands tall with her head held high; gets good grades; participates in sports; and everyone that knew her says shes a different person. when i look into her eyes now; i see more thanks then if the whole world sung my name in unisin.

norm

onelongsong wrote:

i'm on the fence there. should people give because he's a celebrity or because it's helping kids? i know what motivates alice. i'm not sure what motivates bono. i've known people who take money from their companies and donate in their name just so the public thinks they are great people. i've seen others donate directly from the company because the cause is greater than the glory.
a friend in fla called alice a washed up alcoholic has-been; yet in phoenix he's almost a hero. i do the things i do because they make me feel good. when i first saw (my girl) 7 months ago; i saw an emptiness inside her i thought could never be filled. the social workers wanted to lock her up. now she stands tall with her head held high; gets good grades; participates in sports; and everyone that knew her says shes a different person. when i look into her eyes now; i see more thanks then if the whole world sung my name in unisin.

So you don't know Bono's intentions so you condemn him for his efforts. Interesting. I do work for a non-profit and frankly I don't care why someone gives us money so long as we get it.

onelongsong

cutback wrote:

So you don't know Bono's intentions so you condemn him for his efforts. Interesting. I do work for a non-profit and frankly I don't care why someone gives us money so long as we get it.

if i condemned anyone i apologise. i didn't mean to incinuate that. i only meant that i don't like the way he goes about it.
i'm in the process of forming a non-profit organization for a 4000 acre bison sanctuary in nevada. between grants and tax breaks; it's a great racket if you're not honest.

norm

onelongsong wrote:

between grants and tax breaks; it's a great racket if you're not honest.

You're right there.

And I think you could give Bono a break. From everything I've read and seen from interviews I don't think he is doing this purely for his ego - he has the band for that.

Good luck on the bison sanctuary. What part of Nevada, if you don't mind me asking?

onelongsong

cutback wrote:

You're right there.

And I think you could give Bono a break. From everything I've read and seen from interviews I don't think he is doing this purely for his ego - he has the band for that.

Good luck on the bison sanctuary. What part of Nevada, if you don't mind me asking?

i should give him a break because i don't know enough about him to make an educated opinion. he just seems arrogant to me. i do like U2's music though.

i'm looking near battle mountain. they say the shoshone mtns are the last pristine wilderness left.

Jeanie

cutback wrote:

So you don't know Bono's intentions so you condemn him for his efforts. Interesting. I do work for a non-profit and frankly I don't care why someone gives us money so long as we get it.

Hey, cutback, I'm just curious but do you care who gives you money? For instance if your non-profit was involved with children with cancer would you accept donations from a cigarette manufacturer?

norm

Jeanie wrote:

Hey, cutback, I'm just curious but do you care who gives you money? For instance if your non-profit was involved with children with cancer would you accept donations from a cigarette manufacturer?

OK I guess I was a little broad in saying who gives it but I was trying to clarify onelongsong's opinion.

onelongsong

cutback wrote:

OK I guess I was a little broad in saying who gives it but I was trying to clarify onelongsong's opinion.

clarify my opinion? my opinion is still the same. i agree that i should give him a break until i learn more but my opinion stands. i sang one benefit and the cause got lost in the party. as front man it was my fault.

Jeanie

cutback wrote:

OK I guess I was a little broad in saying who gives it but I was trying to clarify onelongsong's opinion.

That's cool, I was just curious. So you are saying that you wouldn't accept donations from organizations that hold opposing or detrimental views to your organization but if an organization wanted to donate to your non-profit for tax right off purposes that would be ok?

norm

onelongsong wrote:

clarify my opinion? my opinion is still the same. i agree that i should give him a break until i learn more but my opinion stands. i sang one benefit and the cause got lost in the party. as front man it was my fault.

I knew that wasn't gonna sound right. My questions were meant to clarify your opinion for me. I wasn't quite sure how you felt so I kept asking questions. No harm was meant.:)

norm

Jeanie wrote:

That's cool, I was just curious. So you are saying that you wouldn't accept donations from organizations that hold opposing or detrimental views to your organization but if an organization wanted to donate to your non-profit for tax right off purposes that would be ok?

Any upstanding organization should be able to donate to any charity they like. If they do it just for the tax right-off, so be it. At least that money won't go to fund some goddamn war.

Jeanie

cutback wrote:

Any upstanding organization should be able to donate to any charity they like. If they do it just for the tax right-off, so be it. At least that money won't go to fund some goddamn war.

Absolutely but would you have a moral dilemma accepting money from an organization at odds to what you are trying to achieve with your non profit organization? For instance should an environmental organization accept large donations from Rio Tinto or Exon?

soulsinging

onelongsong wrote:

i never said popularizing any cause was bad. i just don't believe in self promotion for doing something you should be doing anyway. i retired at age 40 knowing i could skate the rest of my life. it was great for many years but then i couldn't live with myself when i saw suffering and people that needed help and i was turning my back. i helped alice cooper a few times with his charities and saw the faces of the kids he helped. he's doing something called christmas pudding yet he's not out promoting himself. it isn't about him; it's about the children.
this is just my opinion. i see alice doing something from his heart for others. and fyi; he's working every event. he's on the floor setting up the haunted house; etc. i look up to people like that. he can use his name and fame but he's not doing it for himself. he's doing it for others.

and our point is, neither is bono. he's not doing it for popularity or self-benefit, he's doing it to help those people. and he's using his name to accomplish that, just like alice cooper.

so what band were you in?

norm

Jeanie wrote:

Absolutely but would you have a moral dilemma accepting money from an organization at odds to what you are trying to achieve with your non profit organization? For instance should an environmental organization accept large donations from Rio Tinto or Exon?

I'm curious Jeanie, are you looking for some answer? It seems like you are looking for a specific answer from me. Which is cool, but frankly I didn't want to get into a morals argument here.:D

Jeanie

cutback wrote:

I'm curious Jeanie, are you looking for some answer? It seems like you are looking for a specific answer from me. Which is cool, but frankly I didn't want to get into a morals argument here.:D

No I was just curious to hear your thoughts. But if you don't want to talk about it that's cool with me. I was just interested in what you had to say, no biggy.