Muslim congressman "pushing" his faith

duggro

miller8966 wrote:

o come on man..you dont think this guy wants the muslim vote...

no i think that, and i dont mind bush doin the same to be honest. people can vote for whoever they want for whatever reason.

my only concern is when bush uses christian beliefs to decide what is right and wrong when making laws

its not the same thing

NMyTree

MrBrian wrote:

nevertheless enough evidence exists that Muslims were in america many years before columbus, we also know that muslims with their tools were pioneers in navigation, it's just fact.

You don't have to like it my friend,

LOL, it has nothing to do with whether I like it or not.

There's also a plethora of evidence that there were several other cultures (groups of people) who came to North America, long before the Muslims did.

Including the people most people know as "The Vikings". who by the way also developed and created many tools and were true pioneers in navigation.

If you want to french kiss the Muslims' collective asses for these things, be objective and mention the other cultures (groups of people).

Your biased and unobjective love for pumping up Muslims is obvious.

miller8966

NMyTree wrote:

If you want to french kiss the Muslims' collective asses for these things, be objective and mention the other cultures (groups of people).

Your biased and unobjective love for pumping up Muslims is obvious.

lol hysterical

MrBrian

NMyTree wrote:

LOL, it has nothing to do with whether I like it or not.

There's also a plethora of evidence that there were several other cultures (groups of people) who came to North America, long before the Muslims did.

Including the people most people know as "The Vikings". who by the way also developed and created many tools and were true pioneers in navigation.

If you want to french kiss the Muslims' collective asses for these things, be objective and mention the other cultures (groups of people).

Your biased and unobjective love for pumping up Muslims is obvious.

well when you start a thread about the vikings I promise to post some things about them.
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My point was (if you go back to how this topic started) you'll see that I just wanted to point out how not foreign Islam is to America.

miller8966

MrBrian wrote:

well when you start a thread about the vikings I promise to post some things about them.
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My point was (if you go back to how this topic started) you'll see that I just wanted to point out how not foreign Islam is to America.

Yea i heard George washington was a big fan of Sharia law....

hippiemom

jlew24asu wrote:

and when you die nothing happens

Whatever happens when you die is going to happen whether you believe in it or not.

jlew24asu

hippiemom wrote:

Whatever happens when you die is going to happen whether you believe in it or not.

o ok. well im glad we cleared that up

NMyTree

MrBrian wrote:

well when you start a thread about the vikings I promise to post some things about them.

Of course. I wouldn't expect you to make any objective comments on your own. Wouldn't want that.

MrBrian wrote:

My point was (if you go back to how this topic started) you'll see that I just wanted to point out how not foreign Islam is to America.

Nah, your point was to blow smoke up everyone's ass and make it seem like the Muslims were here long before anyone else and that they were the sole culture responsible for wonderful tools and inventions of navigation. Which is neither accurate or true, by any stretch. The Muslim culture in it's history has been responsible for many important inventions and break throughs, on several fronts. But they're hardly the only ones.

Creativity, invention, progress and break throughs are not exclusive to Muslims, as you would try to have others believe.

Also, your original comment about how they didn't hurt anyone is a bit inaccurate. They were driven out of here and forced to flee. Largely due to their arrogance and aggressive approach (regarding their religion)

Abuskedti

miller8966 wrote:

Everytime george bush even mentions his faith liberals are up in arms...yet at this you dont see nething wrong with.

I quite enhoy people who speak of their faith.. Lincoln for example did it beautifully.

Bush said God wanted him to invade Iraq.. thats not faith - thats insane.

hippiemom

Abuskedti wrote:

I quite enhoy people who speak of their faith.. Lincoln for example did it beautifully.

Bush said God wanted him to invade Iraq.. thats not faith - thats insane.

There's a thin line between faith and insanity, and Bush is clearly on the wrong side of it.

MrBrian

NMyTree wrote:

Of course. I wouldn't expect you to make any objective comments on your own. Wouldn't want that.



Nah, your point was to blow smoke up everyone's ass and make it seem like the Muslims were here long before anyone else and that they were the sole culture responsible for wonderful tools and inventions of navigation. Which is neither accurate or true, by any stretch. The Muslim culture in it's history has been responsible for many important inventions and break throughs, on several fronts. But they're hardly the only ones.

Creativity, invention, progress and break throughs are not exclusive to Muslims, as you would try to have others believe.

Also, your original comment about how they didn't hurt anyone is a bit inaccurate. They were driven out of here and forced to flee. Largely due to their arrogance and aggressive approach (regarding their religion)

I think you know me well enough to know that i'm not shy about saying how I feel. If I thought the muslims from spain,africa were the first ever I would've of said it, but that would not be correct so I did'nt, I did however say that they were here many years before columbus.

As far as who they hurt when they came here, well it was also documented that they married among the natives. I'm sure fights broke out, but far from the blood shed the european non muslims brought to this land.

I also never said that they were the sole inveters or such and such, I'm sorry but I did'nt think I needed to mention every single person in my post.

But if you want I'll give you some examples, the greeks had started/invented many things, that is fact. another fact is that it was the arabs that helped preserve these works and in many cases added to them. so don't put words into my mouth and if I said things that did not come out as clear as I would've liked then i'll be happy to continue to clear out these issues.

Collin

CorporateWhore wrote:

Most historians agree that Columbus was the first to discover America, though.

Most historians? How about zero historians. Get your facts straight. He was, however, the first European to bring the European culture succesfully to the new continent.

Collin

CorporateWhore wrote:

I associate atheism with the USSR, the PRC, and North Korea.

Once again, I'll take Christianity, thanks!

You really don't have a clue, do you?

enharmonic

NMyTree wrote:

As long as he's not trying to promote Islam and create policies and laws based on Islamic rule, I don't have a problem with him. I have had a serious problem with Bush and this Administrations constant Christian/God crap. Same with this guy.

Keep Islam, Christianity and any other religion out of it.

What about those of us who feel the same way about law influenced by other religions? The two biggest religions in America are Christianity and Islam. They need to coexist peacefully for America to work as designed.

even flow?

jlew24asu wrote:

and when you die nothing happens

So then said people who believe should be able to tell about what happens before you are born. Must be in the same place as when you die? And that place was pretty black and unknown. Same with you and everybody else.

Anyhow.........................Minnesota must have a lot of Muslims who like to vote in their new country or Bush is just that bad. Ever think of it that way Miller?

I also see a nice man who just got back from his time in Afgan had such a super time their that he decided to go out in a gun fight with cops then to go back for another tour. Maybe the perks just aren't what you seem to think they are Miller.

NMyTree

enharmonic wrote:

What about those of us who feel the same way about law influenced by other religions? The two biggest religions in America are Christianity and Islam. They need to coexist peacefully for America to work as designed.

Huh? Did I not make it clear in my post that I don't want any religion being the basis for policy and law?

Does this quote below ring a bell? Afterall, you did quote me in your post.

Posted by NMyTree: " Keep Islam, Christianity and any other religion out of it."

Abuskedti

NMyTree wrote:

Huh? Did I not make it clear in my post that I don't want any religion being the basis for policy and law?

Does this quote below ring a bell? Afterall, you did quote me in your post.

Posted by NMyTree: " Keep Islam, Christianity and any other religion out of it."

I don't think it is reasonable to expect religion not be included in public policy. There are very many religious people that rely on scripture for comfort and inspiration and guidance. That is who they are - the only way to keep it out of policy or law would be to disqualify candidates who are religious. That would surely be interesting wouldn't it..:)

enharmonic

NMyTree wrote:

Huh? Did I not make it clear in my post that I don't want any religion being the basis for policy and law?

Does this quote below ring a bell? Afterall, you did quote me in your post.

Posted by NMyTree: " Keep Islam, Christianity and any other religion out of it."

I was just reinforcing your sentiment. However, there's really no way to keep religion out of legislative decisions, because most legislative decisions require an ethical standard that people carry with them based on the totallity of their beliefs. In that regard, there are plenty of laws on the books that reflect a Christian morality.

I'd just like to say that before people get all spun up about those same laws being written from an alternate (not opposing) morality, that they know the architecture of Islam...its moral foundation.

The only way to know that is to read the koran. Otherwise, you leave yourself exposed to the interpretation of opposing forces. I'm not referring to religious implications, strictly moral implications...since that is what the judiciary is founded on...moral implications of right or wrong.

We're on the same page. Leaving religion out of it is impossible to the extent that religious people want religious people to lead them.

MrBrian

Collin wrote:

Most historians? How about zero historians. Get your facts straight. He was, however, the first European to bring the European culture succesfully to the new continent.

and don't forget about the basket of diseases they brought along with them.

pieceofdust

miller8966 wrote:

Speaking in Dearborn late Sunday night, the first Muslim elected to Congress told a cheering crowd of Muslims they should remain steadfast in their faith and push for justice.

"You can't back down. You can't chicken out. You can't be afraid. You got to have faith in Allah, and you've got to stand up and be a real Muslim," Detroit native Keith Ellison said to loud applause.

Many in the crowd replied "Allahu akbar" -- God is great.

Ellison, a Minnesota Democrat elected to the U.S. House in November, has been the center of a national debate in recent weeks over Islam and its role in politics. Ellison has said he would take his oath of office on the Quran, the Muslim holy book, igniting a storm of criticism from some commentators

He is not taking the public oath with all the house members on the Koran. He is taking an oath on the Koran in a private ceremony with family. Anyone who has a problem with any of this should better study the first amendment.

He also said that first and formost his obligation is to the US constitution and that this is what he is swearing to uphold, not any singular religious text.